P, what I don`t understand how you underline carbs as being bad in the sense of people becoming diabetic because of them. That`s an extreme example I find. It`s taking the worse case scenario of what they can do to your body and use it as an example to underline them being problematic.

But the person who`s smart and exercises is in a different situation. Their body uses the carbs and they won`t be plagued with all the negative stuff you talk about. I`m also willing to bet those "sides" won`t happen to anybody on this board as they train and don`t eat just carbs... They eat them with proteins and fats most the time. So what you say about the carbs is true in the case of them being bad if people eat just carbs, with no protein and don`t exercise.

But how does that relate to people on this board? It dosen`t make sense to me. You throw in that example of carbs causing disease and unhealthy bodies, but that will never happen to the context I`m refering to. You`re stating all the negatives about them, almost trying to scare people from them.

And the people you helped I`m sure their problems would have been solved by just eating healthier. So just because carbs made messed up their lives, dosen`t mean carbs will do the same to others. So I find it hard to believe that keto saved their lives and health problems, when something more simple and easy to follow would have helped them just the same and alllow them to enjoy more food groups.

So again, as Gregg said, why give up carbs when you don`t have to, because unless you want to get crazy ripped, and are an endomorph, I don`t see how this diet is necessary. And yes I understand the diet, so that is not an argument here.