Quote Originally Posted by Praetorian View Post
THERE ARE MANY....IF YOU DOUBT WHAT I POSTED ASK JOHN MEADOWS (Mountaindog on this board) FOR THAT MATTER, OR ASK NUTRITIONIST...THE INFORMATION IS READILY AVAILABLE....AND NO PLEASE DO NOT MISINTERPRET WHAT I POSTED....I NEVER SAID CARBOHYDRATES CAUSE ILLNESS OR DISEASE...I SAID WITH THE ADVENT OF PROCESSED CARBOHYDRATE MAINLY HFCS THE INCIDENCE OF DISEASE HAS RISEN DRAMATICALLY...TO THINK OTHERWISE IS TO PUT YOUR HEAD IN THE SAND AND PRETEND IT DOESNT EXIST BECAUSE YOU CANT SEE IT.
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Caps are used only to differentiate my comments.
You are not looking at the BIG picture
Carbohydrate intake (processed or not) is not the cause for obesity/CV disease/etc
It is a result of inactivity+food abundance. Simply we move less and eat more becasue food is easily accessible
And actually studies show we only consume 50calories more today than 50 yeras ago. So clearly the problem is inactivity, which leads to obesity; and once you're obese you are pretty much metabolically ****ed
And the HFCS leading to disease is also kinda silly, it's more of a correlation rather than a causation, people that eat a ton of fast food (with HFCS) will inevitably be consuming a shitload of calories and inevitably be obese
Quote Originally Posted by Praetorian View Post
Ritch as I posted above I never said carbs cause disease etc...the term carbs is being generalized on here when I have been completely specific. I posted the increase of processed carbohydrate correlates specifically to the increase in disease in the NA population...namely obesity, type 2 diabetes (in children which is scary..not seen till a few years ago) and cholesterol and heart issues.
Again this isn't due to processed carbohydrate. It's a result of lower activity levels (energy output) and increased calorie intake (energy input)

People tend to speak in extremes when they talk keto but that is just not the case. The keto diet as I have posted before has been used quite successfully by the medical community to treat a variety of disease for the last 50 years or more,epilepsy, obesity, heart disease, etc People actually become healthier on the diet by a vast number of markers...LDL. HDL, liver, glucose, etc.
Again you're thinking "small picture"
The only medical benefit of a keto diet is for people with epilepsy. In which they don't follow a diet that is remotely close to what is recommended on the board here (they follow 90% fat 10% protein)
As for the general population being treated for disease with a keto diet, there isn't anything magical about a keto diet. If someone with poor health was put on a keto diet and improved their internal health (BP, lipids, etc) it was because they lost bodyweight/fat.

Its not carbs in general we are talking here it is specific types of carbs that cause issues as I have posted. The main point of the discussion is that yes there are many types of diets to use to lose weight...etc and the keto is one of them which is not unhealthy nor extreme....just another viable option.
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Eliminating a macronutrient group IS extreme.

I love discussing nutrition/dietetics/health sciences because it's the field I'll be entering within about 18 months