Dave Palumbo Diet

The key IS CHEAT MEAL, I tried the whole day last week (in a bad mood) and I am UP 2 pounds!! Man I'm sensitive, or I gained 2 lb os muscle in one workout

Phats

Well you're supposed to be UP the following day or two so that's normal. Honestly, I know Dave says do 1 cheat meal in 1 sitting within 1 meal but I haven't done it that way for the last 4 weeks and I've had no problems. Pizza + oatmeal granola bars then once I catch my breath I have some cake ;ater.

Yeah I do 2 last meals.. I crave lots..
And I'm up. In weight until my next week cheat meal , what I was doin
g if my end of week. Wt doesn't drop.... No cheat??? Gunna have to add cardio soon

Phats

anyone ever try LOW CARB BEER as their CHEAT MEAL? lol just curious how that works out

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Originally Posted by natenator

so I'm back on Keto for who knows how long. Carbs and a torn MCL (limited ability to do much) is not a good thing so am back to keto. I am hitting the gym 6 days a week focusing on all upperbody.

No legs obvious which isn't necessarily a bad thing. My other knee could use some time to heal up as well. lol

Just looking for a bit of a small recomp as I am using keta diet + tren + prop + gh (3iu/day) so we'll see how it goes without any cardio.

After gorging on carbs and shit food for the past 2 weeks, I forgot how sluggish this diet makes you feel right off the bat. Haha. good times!

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so since I decided I am going to see if I want to compete again I stopped keto and went back to my 50/50 carb split (still expect to recomp) but **** me I forgot how hungry I am with carbs in my system. Basically eating the same amount as keto but jesus! hunger is outta control :(

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Originally Posted by natenator

so since I decided I am going to see if I want to compete again I stopped keto and went back to my 50/50 carb split (still expect to recomp) but **** me I forgot how hungry I am with carbs in my system. Basically eating the same amount as keto but jesus! hunger is outta control :(

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yup! you're also probably really lethargic too. I'm so not looking forward to introducing carbs lol

these cheat meals are absolutely killing me. My stomach must have shrunk or something. All I ate was a bowl of pasta with some sauce and chicken, a granola bar and a piece of cake and I literally can't breathe.

3 months ago I'd have been still hungry after a meal like that.

Will this diet work for a natural?

yep...

I'm going to give this diet a shot for 12 weeks starting Mar 1. I'll use Dave's standard diet for a 200 pound man and see what happens. So far the wife is supportive so I may make it. It looks to be about a 2600 calorie diet so I suspect that I will lose about 2 pounds a week through the first 8 weeks or so. What I'm curious about is what difference it will provide over a zone type calorie restricted diet.

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Originally Posted by Ah...Fk

Will this diet work for a natural?

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Yes, I'm not on right now.

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Originally Posted by Ah...Fk

Will this diet work for a natural?

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my log:
http://www.canadabodybuilding.com/fo...141#post139141

yes it does

im in week 2 of this diet and so far i have only lost 3 pounds

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Originally Posted by Praetorian

I ran Daves diet twice for 16 weeks each time. I ate quite a bit on my cheat meals...as an example 3-4 slices pizza, 4-5 donuts, couple chocolate bars, and a some ice cream. In 16 weeks i went from approx 13-15% to approx 4-5% BF.
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Wow. Crazy pics man.

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Originally Posted by Drummer

Metabolic pathways
Most medical resources regard ketosis as a physiological state associated with chronic starvation.[citation needed] Glucose is regarded as the preferred energy source for all cells in the body with ketosis being regarded as a crisis reaction of the body to a lack of carbohydrates in the diet. Ketosis would thus be a dangerous (potentially life-threatening) state which unnecessarily stresses the liver and causes destruction of muscle tissues. This is still the view of the majority in the medical and nutritional science communities[6][7][8], but in recent years it has been challenged by a number of doctors and adherents of low-carbohydrate diets, who dispute both the body's preference for glucose and the dangers associated with ketosis.[9][10][11]

Ketone bodies, from the breakdown of fatty acids to acetyl groups, are also produced during this state, and are burned throughout the body. Excess ketone bodies will slowly decarboxylate into acetone. That molecule is excreted in the breath and urine. When glycogen stores are not available in the cells (glycogen is primarily created when carbohydrates such as starch and sugar are consumed in the diet), fat (triacylglycerol) is cleaved to give 3 fatty acid chains and 1 glycerol molecule in a process called lipolysis. Most of the body is able to utilize fatty acids as an alternative source of energy in a process where fatty acid chains are cleaved to form acetyl-CoA, which can then be fed into the Krebs Cycle. It is important to note that acetyl-CoA can only enter the Krebs Cycle bound to oxaloacetate. When carbohydrate supplies are inadequate, however, the liver naturally converts oxaloacetate to glucose via gluconeogenesis for use by the brain and other tissues. When acetyl CoA does not bind with oxaloacetate, the liver converts it to ketones (or ketone bodies), leading to a state of ketosis. During this process a high concentration of glucagon is present in the serum and this inactivates hexokinase and phosphofructokinase-1 (regulators of glycolysis) indirectly, causing most cells in the body to use fatty acids as their primary energy source. At the same time, glucose is synthesized in the liver from lactic acid, glucogenic amino acids, and glycerol, in a process called gluconeogenesis. This glucose is used exclusively[clarification needed] for energy by cells such as neurons and red blood cells.[citation needed]

^^^ i didnt write this, i stole it off wiki LOL

I dont advocate carb starvation. Mostly cause im biased and love carbs. I do believe that lowering carbs to 10-20% of your calories, and low glycemic indexed carbs are used only, its effective at fat loss. (and i dont want to breath acetone on my lil lady lol)



That being said i know people who have used the P. diet and have had great success, but they never stay on it long. You can lose muscle on it too. It is a mechanism to fight starvation after all. Im told over and over again that i wont like the first few days if i do try it!

~DB~

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Post some pics using your low carb diet of 10-20% lets compare. Daves diet is 16 weeks for precontest...its designed that way. You dont lose muscle on the diet because of the inherent laws of ketosis. If you know about ketosis then you would understand that neoglucogenisis happens quite frequently on a low carb diet and not much at all while in ketosis...do the math.
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Originally Posted by proximo

Hi there. You can eat any protein/carb free food in the morning, and still get into ketosis. It won't necessarily be the "palumbo diet", but it still can be an effective "keto" diet. Just make sure your protein intake is approximately 1 gram per pound of lean bodyweight, and your carbs are below 20-30 grams per day. Also, make sure to take in your fats regularly throughout the day.

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You require more than 20-30 g carbs per day on a keto diet...Daves diet consists of approx 50g carbs from trace carbs, nuts, veggies etc. To train requires glycogen as ketones are too slow of an energy source for training. Thus the 50g is adequate to get through most training sessions as long as volume is low...ie HIT.
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Dr. Pasquale had a similar diet. Worked great but wrecked lasting damage to my joints. I will never do it again.

No one has yet made any complaints about acetone breath and all that shit. You're never in deep ketosis for it to make a difference and if you drink plenty of water, most of the excess is excreted through the urine.

ok it's time for me to transition out of this to a low carb-diet and then to maintenance.

any tips/ideas?

Plan is to just cut the fats down and of course introduce the carbs but anything in specific I should avoid?

thinking of just throwin in some oatmeal for breakfast and making sure to have some carb pre-workout (brown rice) and post (dex). Maybe even some other carbs in there as well, I have to look at the cal totals.

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Originally Posted by randysavage

Dr. Pasquale had a similar diet. Worked great but wrecked lasting damage to my joints. I will never do it again.

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i've been having alot of pain in all my joints since i started this diet, does it get better after you're done and start eating carbs again?

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Originally Posted by bossman_1986

i've been having alot of pain in all my joints since i started this diet, does it get better after you're done and start eating carbs again?

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no pain for me yet, 4 weeks so far but have u tried taking glucosamine yet?

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Originally Posted by Ogrew

no pain for me yet, 4 weeks so far but have u tried taking glucosamine yet?

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yea i take glucosamine everyday, im on cyp, deca, eq and anavar too

i would love to give this diet a-go again. but its ball season, and for me that means beer on game nights and weekend tournaments.

so i might just do my best even though it wont be a true P. diet, but i would love to loose some chub around the middle.

k im gonna do this diet again for a month starting tommorrow, but i have a question

i bought some metamucil for fibre and on the bottle it says to take 5 capsules 3 times daily for irregularity, is that how much i should be usuing while on this diet??

Get 25g of fiber per day. Do math.

uh yea i can do that math, but is that how much supplemental fibre you need, cause there is alot of fibre in nuts as well

Let me get this straight, when you come off a keto diet you can experience lethargy from adding carbs back in? how slowly are u suspossed to add them back in?

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Originally Posted by MMASTAR

Let me get this straight, when you come off a keto diet you can experience lethargy from adding carbs back in? how slowly are u suspossed to add them back in?

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Here is the thing once you add carbs it releases Seratonin that is what makes you sleepy.I get like this on my cheat days.

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Originally Posted by St

Here is the thing once you add carbs it releases Seratonin that is what makes you sleepy.I get like this on my cheat days.

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Aww. I C.. thank you..

i liked the anabolic diet but Christ...how is it that everyone slim out really fast on this and I ,on 2-3months with ~19-2000calories at 185lbs with good cardio and training only manage to loose 2lbs???

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Originally Posted by MMASTAR

Let me get this straight, when you come off a keto diet you can experience lethargy from adding carbs back in? how slowly are u suspossed to add them back in?

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Start with about 30g per meal.

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Originally Posted by MMASTAR

Let me get this straight, when you come off a keto diet you can experience lethargy from adding carbs back in? how slowly are u suspossed to add them back in?

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Most people are lethargic on a low carb diet to begin with. You could fight this by using a ton of carbs right away but then your diet would have been for nothing :)

This thread is interesting. I'm currently on a carb cycle and making very very slow progress and hesitant to drop my calories much lower.

Since I just cooked all my rice etc. for the week I think I'll switch over to this starting next week.

I'm 6'1" 183 but I think I'll directly follow the 200 lbs diet to start with. Bit nervous doing a complete keto diet like this and losing muscle. Also seems weird not having carbs pwo! ha

A cheat meal sounds good too...haven't had one in months.

id be nervous doing a basic keto ckd style diet and losing muscle also but with the strategic efa's in Palumbo's diet and the type of cardio performed you should not worry

is Optimum Nutrition Whey okay to use on this diet? I have two giant tubs of it and was hoping it was okay to use.

Problem is it has 1.5g of Fat and 3 g of carbs of which 1.5 gram is sugar.

My understanding is sugar will throw you out of ketosis?

Please let me know.

people have asked dave this and he said if you must use it it can still work (seeing as youd only use 4 scoops/day) with the 2 shake meals, but ideally you want a quality wpi

Use egg whites instead imo. A 500ml carton gives you ~55g of protein with no carbs. I used whey but next time will definetely use egg whites.

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Originally Posted by ubcpower

people have asked dave this and he said if you must use it it can still work (seeing as youd only use 4 scoops/day) with the 2 shake meals, but ideally you want a quality wpi

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which whey protein would you recommend? Isopure?

I want to stick to the protein shakes coz its easier and quick for me while at work.

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Originally Posted by elmatador

is Optimum Nutrition Whey okay to use on this diet? I have two giant tubs of it and was hoping it was okay to use.

Problem is it has 1.5g of Fat and 3 g of carbs of which 1.5 gram is sugar.

My understanding is sugar will throw you out of ketosis?

Please let me know.

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I think you will be fine. I've been in Ketosis with my first two meals having carbs in them. Not full Ketosis but mild. Following nay deit properly may produce ketones.

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Originally Posted by elmatador

which whey protein would you recommend? Isopure?

I want to stick to the protein shakes coz its easier and quick for me while at work.

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Ya you will be fine with IosPure,just look at any Protein Powder Isolate for 0.5 carbs per shake.