ok, i know i can deff get clen, what would be a good doseage? i have a bunch of liquid ketotifen left over from a while back as well, so i can run the clen pretty much indefinately, along with the diet... i just dont want to go catabolic
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ok, i know i can deff get clen, what would be a good doseage? i have a bunch of liquid ketotifen left over from a while back as well, so i can run the clen pretty much indefinately, along with the diet... i just dont want to go catabolic
Ketotifein really does nothing.
Start clen at 20mcg twice a day and increase by 20mcg every 2 weeks until you reach 140mcg and leave it there til done dieting.
T3 can also be added in the same fashion as clen.
A buddy of mine wants to start this diet but he is allergic to egg whites.
Meal #6 gives the option of shake or eggs but Meal #1 gives no option... only eggs.
What would be the best food to swap for egg whites?
i was just wondering why clen and not eca?
is clen not a "stimulant"
Clen is NOT a stimulant
I personally hated ECA, or as I took it, EC. I felt cracked out all the time or hungover from it on my days off.
I'm going the Clen and T3 route this time (along with a couple other things).
yea, that seems to be a complaint i hear alot about eca, although i myself actually love it, it helps curb the appetite a bit, and gets me goin in the morning, i kinda like feeling wired in the morning, Im bit of a stimulant junkie though...
is there some sort of specific negative effect it will have while on this diet though?
i wanted to stay natty for a while untill spring, so t3 is out of the question due to its abilility to catabolize lbm withought the use of gear. Around may im gonna do a prop/tren/mast cycle to add a few lb's and get extremely shredded
Im planning on cutting on this diet for january to may. My bf if quite high right now, id say 18-20% and i want to be sub 10% for the summer. So its a long road ahead lol, clen seems to be the way to go then.
Do a chicken or tilapia and cashew meal for meal 1Quote:
Originally Posted by Ogrew
thx nate.
i would consider having a glass of greentea with 24mg ephedra since the tea already has the caffeine in it
is taking creatine an option on this diet?
just take it after workout then probably when its most effective?
not the same thing... caffeine is typically taken in around 200mg doses. i think green tea would have like what, 30-40mg?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ogrew
If you want to cut naturally and are looking for a fat burner with little to no stimulant effects, try SPECIES' Lipolyze and Somalyze products. Dave Palumbo uses these for pre contest with his natty competitorsQuote:
Originally Posted by InPursuitOfPerfection
thanks ubcpower, im gonna look into that.Quote:
Originally Posted by ubcpower
cheers
As much as I hear people (and smart one`s) say clen is not a stimulant, I disagree. Or can we just use another term? How about an energizer? The stuff gives me a boost in mental performance, therefore it`s a stimulant? No? Anyway, I don`t want to debate this to shits, but just don`t understand how it`s not a stimulant if it gives you energy.
Is it not categorized as a stimulant because it dosen`t raise blood pressure?
i beleive it is officially classified as a beta2 agonist and decongestant bronchio-dialator (i cant spell).... BUT it gets my heart pumpin like friggin crazy, and to me, that classifies as "stimulating" the body.
yeah ive wondered that myself... it has stimulating properties, can keep a person up at night if taken later in the day, some people feel pretty wired out from it... same as caffeine, ephedrine, etc.
clen makes me a jittery shaking mofo. as if i was on stimulants
i just have one more question.
Im an amateur boxer and i train for it 3x a week for an hour, it is pretty high intensity training. I then weight train 3x a week on top of that. Once i start the diet i will also be slowly adding in some low intensity long duration cardio in the am before breakfast.
Is the boxing going to cause me to lose a bunch of muscle on this diet? (i know dave says low intensity only)
Is this diet a good choice for me personally?
My goals right now are simply to drop bf and maintain lbm, not concerned with adding lbm at all at the moment.
You will be fine,just keep your protein high.Quote:
Originally Posted by InPursuitOfPerfection
I believe you will be losing some muscle.....The intensity for Boxing is pretty high trng...Personally i wouldnt be doing a keto diet if you are looking into endurance sports...It doesnt make sense...You need carbs for endurance, and i personally do not believe one can store enough glycogen for YOUR particular needs by trying to do it through glucogenesis.....Praetorian has some good knowledge, maybe ask him in his thread,....IMO, keto diet and trng for boxing, if you are trng the way i used to wont work out the best....Quote:
Originally Posted by InPursuitOfPerfection
You need glycogen stores in muscle to be topped up, and liver glycogen stores high as well, and additional carbs takien in via Gatorade etc while trng that intensely, to keep going full tilt...
^^^ Nods head...
yea, thats what i figured. Thanks for the quick responses BTW. I think i may give it a
shot anyways for a month or so and see how i fair. If strength is staying, ill keep
going, if the weights start to drop ill back off, and start to reintroduce some carbs.
Now, i was planning on staying natural for a while, but i think it may be benificial for
me to run a mild cycle while doing this diet. I personally dont advocate an oral only
cycle very often lol, but i think it may be suited well to my goals at the moment. I
have a bunch o var left over from a previous cycle, perhaps it would be alright to run 60
mg ED for the duration im on this diet, to help stave off any muscle wasting. What are your thoughts?
If your on the Keto diet,then and lack energy,just up your Fat it worked for me.Quote:
Originally Posted by InPursuitOfPerfection
Possibly, im not a fan of var alone personally........And if not running any super supplements, and no carbs, you will lose muscle for sure, going hi intensity as one needs to train in your sport....Quote:
Originally Posted by InPursuitOfPerfection
Fat wont do much for your energy levels as far as the explosive and cardio endurance you require, thats all carb related energy IMO.....But will give you energy to do day to day tasks and short stimulating workouts....
let us know how it goes for you, as sometimes we stumble on to things that work, even when there are plenty of naysayers.....:D
HIT boxing training can definitely cause some muscle loss if your heart rate is going above 130bpm. Once you go above this the body cannot use ketones for fuel as they are too slow...oxygen is now needed and this changes the equation in favour of glucose as a fuel...in the abscence glycogen amino acids will be converted ...ie muscle loss.Quote:
Originally Posted by InPursuitOfPerfection
If you are training HIT boxing etc then I would suggest some carb intake prior to that...thus you would not be in ketosis.
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thanks for all the responses guys...im going to give a go and see what happens. Day 1 is
on january 1st, maybe ill start a log and just update weekly. Since i have the var i
think i am going to use it, and i am going to follow the diet at the beggining of the
article, with the addition of NO shotgun prior to any workouts. Hopefully i can stave off
any muscle wasting, but only time will tell. I am also going to incorporate the species
supplements lipolyze and somalyze as soon as i get the cash together for them. Once
again, thaks for all the help, now its time for me to put this into action.
IPOP
Just an FYI...the var will not help spare muscle if you continue to do high intensity boxing type training while on a keto diet...the body still requires fuel and it will get it from amino acids...ie muscle tissue.Quote:
Originally Posted by InPursuitOfPerfection
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ic, well should i scrap the diet all together?Quote:
Originally Posted by Praetorian
or could i possibly add a small amout of carbs to my no shotgun, prior to boxing
i do understand that it will alter the diet, but can i add 10 grams of carbs to my pre-boxing no shotgun? Would this completely negate the diet? Would it permanently keep me out of ketosis? Any info would be appreciated. I just wanna get the ball rolling
:)
Boxing is not something i want to give up, so i need to find a way to make it work lol... any help would be appreciated.
For now im going to stick with the plan thats laid out in the OP... but id like to know what i could do to weak it a bit if needed
Just though id poist up the diet im planning to use, a few small changes, but all in all pretty much the same as OP.
MEAL 1:
4 whole omegga 3 eggs
4 egg whites
MEAL 2:
1.5scoops protein
1 tblsp natural Peanut butter
MEAL 3:
8oz chicken breast
1/3 cup raw almonds
MEAL 4:
1.5 scoops protein
1 tblsp natural peanut butter
Meal 5:
8oz Salmon/Beef
Green salad
1 tblsp Olive Oil
1 tblp Balsamic vinegar
Meal 6:
1.5 scoops portein
1 tblsp natural peanut butter
Cals=2241
Pro=251g
Fat=95g
Carbs=33g
Starting tommorow
A keto diet will make you loose muscle mass.Quote:
Originally Posted by InPursuitOfPerfection
Have carbs before and after your training sessions and bcaas during and that will help you to spare muscle.
Don't talk about what you don't know or have knowledge on.Quote:
Originally Posted by warlock
Bla bla bla blaQuote:
Originally Posted by natenator
Don't be boring and rude:fart
No problem, I'll try being nicer if you try being smarter.Quote:
Originally Posted by warlock
Lier:beatQuote:
Originally Posted by natenator
you're saying this because of the other training he does right? cuz on it's own with low intensity cardio and weight training keto wont make you lose muscle.... but i think we're all in agreement with that. guess some people glaze over key points and go straight for the neck.Quote:
Originally Posted by warlock
Off course any person with a little common sense an dinteligence knows that boxing-carbs=muscle waste:puffQuote:
Originally Posted by kloan
well i guess what i need to know, is how much carbs should i be intaking on days i box? and when should i take them in?
will i still drop bf on the diet if i rework it that way?
anyways, ill be back on the 15th and tell you guys how its going....
im going forwaed with the diet...
ill keep you posted
I think it would be too complicated trying to time everything perfectly to get into ketosis just to get out of it again. With such high intensity cardio you do in boxing and you want to lose bf i would do low carb
And here`s the good news, and one I can almost guarantee will work... The Palumbo diet is not the only diet that works. As a matter of fact, if you`re not planning on doing a competition, it`s totally unecessary. As that`s what it`s designed to do. And if you`re not competiting, why the hell would you want to put yourself through such misery. Also if you`re natural, forget it bro! That statement has been backed up here as well.
Say you restricted all carbs from your last 3 meals in your day and they were just protein and fats, the first 3 protein and carbs, this will work wonders. If you can train in the morning, after breakfast it would be best. As you know post workout is an ideal time to jack up insulin with fast acting carbs and protein. It`s also very safe to say the next meal has a need for carbs and they won`t be stored as fat. Follow that up with the protein fat meals, you`ll be fine. Most easy way to get lean without suffering the madness of a keto diet.
If you train at night, simply have protein and fats all day, until your pre workout meal which will be protein carbs, then the post workout as I said. If there`s time for another meal it can be either protein and carbs or protein and fat, depending how easily you get lean, you`ll have to experiement to see which works best for you.
I agree with you that you should centralize your carbs around workout time and protein and fats meals the rest of the time, I experimented with this for a while in the past and it was decent for fat loss, but not as good as the keto so far, and i've been doing it naturally. The protein and fat meals will increase testosterone for sure, and the carb meals are strictly for filling glycogen levels around your workout. I've read that carbs are only needed for about 6 hours after training. This style diet however that i used was for gaining mass. Alternating protein/fat meals with protein/carb meals were directed more so for cutting.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ritch
http://www.johnberardi.com/articles/...sseating_1.htm
This site i found very helpful and he has some good theories. Hope it helps