Have a shake with some extra virgin olive oil in it or like others said, all meals are interchangeable.
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Have a shake with some extra virgin olive oil in it or like others said, all meals are interchangeable.
But dude as soon as anything enters liquid form it immediately passes through your digestive tract without any absorption. This morning I shit out 2 scoops of cookies n cream whey a cup of oats.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ritch
The only knock on shakes for this diet would be that if you are dieting liquid calories aren't as satiating but as long as you don't overcompensate it'll make no difference.
For sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by 5151
Gotta go shovel some shit called snow. Screw the gym today.
And I could hook my ass to my furnace to save fuel costs. I pity those around me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Houstonbc
obviously its not ideal but you could do it^^^
I remember hearing that a shake consumed with some fats is digested the same as a whole meal. Your body wont know the difference. Whether thats true or not I'm not sure.
yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Houstonbc
what can one add to the food?
is hot sauce on your eggs, chicken and steak a no no? how about salt?
for the ones using this diet, how did u carb up? or did u?
did u sodium load? or no?
what can u drink besides water?
no salt, hot sauce is ok i used some sauces low in sodium. diet pop is ok i think or crystal light
i think dave has most clients carb up for their show for 2 days prior to the show.
as for the sodium load i have heard he has his clients eat a burger and fries the morning of the show.
If you're just dieting to lose fat stick to the 1 cheat meal and the fat comes off quite nicely.
Has Palumbo ever said no salt on this diet? Low carb diets should be accompanied by a heavy dosing of electrolytes. If I was doing low carb I would certainly keep the salt shaker handy along with daily supplementation of potassium and magnesium.Quote:
Originally Posted by Houstonbc
To the guys who follow this diet, how do you eat your eggs? I couldn`t imagine eating eggs without ketchup. And I use alot.
use black pepperQuote:
Originally Posted by Ritch
I scramble them and add half a slice of cheddar cheese usually. It wont make or break my diet, maybe once i'm down to 10% or something i'll have to be more anal.
as long as your getting the recommended 4-8g of sodium/day you should be good (no cramping) i misunderstood and ****ed that question up my bad
ketchup has lots of carbs so its a no no unless you have low carb ketchup
i use some healthy choice sweet pepper salad dressing on my eggs
Don`t like. I`m a real fussy eater. Never ate mustard, relish, mayonaise or even a big mac. Like my food plain. Don`t like cheese either.Quote:
Originally Posted by bossman_1986
I used lemon pepper seasoning, hot sauce, or splenda and cinnamon.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ritch
You only carb up either before your show or on your once weekly cheat meal.Quote:
Originally Posted by physique
Eat all the salt you want, unless it is the week before the show.
Diet pop, Tea, and Crystal Light.
Light soya sauce is fine. Low sodium spices. Salt. Ketchup has sugars and Salsa carbs, so no-nos. I always keep sodium high in diets, 6+g range.
As for carb up, Palumbo suggests 35g carbs per meal starting the Thursday I think. From guys that I have talked to that worked with him, a few Cdn pro's they didnt like the carb up as it left them flat still. Look at Ben Pakulski from the NA's this year to the CDN's a week or two later...a lot fuller for the CDN's where he won.
It all depends on how a person tolarates carbs. Toney Freeman seems to fill out on Daves approach, they say Freeman is quite carb sensative though, and I think he used white rice.
I'd use a totally different approach, high carbs and a mild shitload and no sodium manipulation, just some adjustments. But the trick is when to utilize what carbs and when to begin the carbup. I have a way that works well that I am still fine tuning that will work even better once its tweaked.
I don`t care for Palumbo`s carb up either. We did a burger, fries, and cheesecake the night before and in between shows. Need some sodium to avoid cramping also.
Eggs drowned in ketchup is no longer a low-carb meal. Most ketchups are made with a ton of HFCS, so it's not like ketchup is a vegetable, regardless of what Ronald Reagan once said... Cut it down, then cut it out. You'll get used to it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ritch
I make omelettes with lots of veggies, flavoured with soy sauce and hot sauce. Delicious.
I know, but I still get lean doing it that way. At one point I`d slice a tomato and some peppers and eat a bit with every bite, but it tasted too much like shit.Quote:
Originally Posted by gordi
If it works for you, I guess might as well continue doing it. Nothing speaks louder than personal experience.
Still, it couldn't hurt to cut down a bit. I had to totally change my diet from one revolving around sugars, fats, salt, chicken wings, pizza, and Chinese food... it was as hard as anything I've ever tried at first and it took a ton of will power... but now I'm used to eating better and I could never go back to how I ate before. Surely it would be easier for someone who is already lean and eating well to make a few small changes... or maybe not... maybe those few indulgences you hang on to are pretty important. I guess I'll learn for myself once I stop getting leaner and need to tighten things up again.
No tomatoes or carrots allowed in this diet either.Quote:
Originally Posted by gordi
sorry bros had to bring this one up from the dead... im on day one of this drastic change in my carb intake and i have some questions regarding carbs during/post work out...
until now: i have a bottle of gatorade i drink during my workout, and then 3-4tablespn of table sugar with my protein PWO (because i am 'trying to spike my insulin > cortisol')...
if i keep the gatorade and cut the sugar to 2 tbspn will that completley ruin the diet? im not prepping for a show or anything just want to not have chipmunk cheeks for a bit,
for fat burner im taking RevXP x 8/day, which hasnt started working yet cause my skin doesnt smell like burnt rubber
i may use some clen i have a bunch left over but i will have some serious mental issues if i drop below 200lbs (220 right now)
anyways, i my workout is in 5 hrs, so any input will be appreciated!
thanks boys!!!!
Yes if you're drinking sugar no point in this diet you will just be knocking yourself out of ketosis.
ok, well in that case, i will just use CMI - BIG for PWO, and have my protein 15 mins laterQuote:
Originally Posted by gsxr750
what about the gatorade?
gatorade hath sugar :DQuote:
Originally Posted by legaliz3
sounds good!! thanks for the quick replies boys!!
i have the feeling im gonna be extra dead after this workout :D
Metabolic pathways
Most medical resources regard ketosis as a physiological state associated with chronic starvation.[citation needed] Glucose is regarded as the preferred energy source for all cells in the body with ketosis being regarded as a crisis reaction of the body to a lack of carbohydrates in the diet. Ketosis would thus be a dangerous (potentially life-threatening) state which unnecessarily stresses the liver and causes destruction of muscle tissues. This is still the view of the majority in the medical and nutritional science communities[6][7][8], but in recent years it has been challenged by a number of doctors and adherents of low-carbohydrate diets, who dispute both the body's preference for glucose and the dangers associated with ketosis.[9][10][11]
Ketone bodies, from the breakdown of fatty acids to acetyl groups, are also produced during this state, and are burned throughout the body. Excess ketone bodies will slowly decarboxylate into acetone. That molecule is excreted in the breath and urine. When glycogen stores are not available in the cells (glycogen is primarily created when carbohydrates such as starch and sugar are consumed in the diet), fat (triacylglycerol) is cleaved to give 3 fatty acid chains and 1 glycerol molecule in a process called lipolysis. Most of the body is able to utilize fatty acids as an alternative source of energy in a process where fatty acid chains are cleaved to form acetyl-CoA, which can then be fed into the Krebs Cycle. It is important to note that acetyl-CoA can only enter the Krebs Cycle bound to oxaloacetate. When carbohydrate supplies are inadequate, however, the liver naturally converts oxaloacetate to glucose via gluconeogenesis for use by the brain and other tissues. When acetyl CoA does not bind with oxaloacetate, the liver converts it to ketones (or ketone bodies), leading to a state of ketosis. During this process a high concentration of glucagon is present in the serum and this inactivates hexokinase and phosphofructokinase-1 (regulators of glycolysis) indirectly, causing most cells in the body to use fatty acids as their primary energy source. At the same time, glucose is synthesized in the liver from lactic acid, glucogenic amino acids, and glycerol, in a process called gluconeogenesis. This glucose is used exclusively[clarification needed] for energy by cells such as neurons and red blood cells.[citation needed]
^^^ i didnt write this, i stole it off wiki LOL
I dont advocate carb starvation. Mostly cause im biased and love carbs. I do believe that lowering carbs to 10-20% of your calories, and low glycemic indexed carbs are used only, its effective at fat loss. (and i dont want to breath acetone on my lil lady lol)
That being said i know people who have used the P. diet and have had great success, but they never stay on it long. You can lose muscle on it too. It is a mechanism to fight starvation after all. Im told over and over again that i wont like the first few days if i do try it!
~DB~
babe, i just shot all my ketones in your mouth
^^ ketones are released in urine. Golden shower!!
LOL!
my first day isnt so bad actually, i feel like i have more energy (could be the revXP), high carbs make me sleeeeeeepy
depending on my bloodwork i will run tbol 40mg/ed to help with the muscle loss
I'm on my 5th day. I don't feel lethargic but the workout on my 3rd day was kinda blah, I felt light headed after sets. I took the day off yesterday and I'm hitting the gym today. If I don't feeel 100% I think i'll get off and introduce the carbs =/
can't do that dude. Takes 2 weeks for you to really sink into this diet. After 2 weeks it becomes a breeze.Quote:
Originally Posted by nisser
might b a dumb question... can you use milk in your shakes for this?
i got natural flavored protein :S
peanut butter shakes here i go
oh yea.... and by cheat meal, what does that qualify as?
With the fat in my diet nuts or UDO's choice i don't crave carbs love it.I lost 6 pound in 2 weeks.Tomorrow i will weight myself so i hope to lose another 2-3 pounds.
for my cheat meal after 10 days on this diet i had a double big mac and a few fries.... not as satisfying as i'd imagined :(
Of course you can't have milk, it's carbs....
Im still losing insane amounts of weight on this diet so have upped my cals to 2700/day. I'm still not doing cardio. This diet is defying science, or I'm losing muscle.