I a hundred percent agree with you nate, and i get that but what prae said just seemed low is all, im not saying that wouldnt be enough just doesnt seem like it, seems more like a top provincial contender cycle... i was expecting to see a lot more compounds added in that pre cycle especially the last 4-6 weeks, usually what guys around here use mast, proviron, tren ace, test prop adding in halo the last 3 weeks and all your suspension based products, thats not even getting into the peptide end of it. Im not saying im a guru and maybe what prae said is good for somebody gentically gifted or a black guy just the white boys i know are using all those compounds in much higher doses.