BCAA's

[tiramisu]

You can`t even prove what I said is bullshit yet you say it`s bullshit. But you want me to give you proof that what I said isn`t bullshit. So how about you find evidence saying what I`m saying is bullshit? In the meantime, you`re the one talking shit buddy. Good luck...

.... that's brilliant. The complete negation of the scientific method. Aristotle's logic debunked. Who could possible argue you must be right because you stated a hypothesis as fact without the intervening confusion of things like logic or reality.

Are you sure you aren't my wife?

[natenator]

You can`t even prove what I said is bullshit yet you say it`s bullshit. But you want me to give you proof that what I said isn`t bullshit. So how about you find evidence saying what I`m saying is bullshit? In the meantime, you`re the one talking shit buddy. Good luck...

.... that's brilliant. The complete negation of the scientific method. Aristotle's logic debunked. Who could possible argue you must be right because you stated a hypothesis as fact without the intervening confusion of things like logic or reality.

Are you sure you aren't my wife?

Nice

[Ritch]

You can`t even prove what I said is bullshit yet you say it`s bullshit. But you want me to give you proof that what I said isn`t bullshit. So how about you find evidence saying what I`m saying is bullshit? In the meantime, you`re the one talking shit buddy. Good luck...

.... that's brilliant. The complete negation of the scientific method. Aristotle's logic debunked. Who could possible argue you must be right because you stated a hypothesis as fact without the intervening confusion of things like logic or reality.

Are you sure you aren't my wife?

Still dosen`t change the fact you don`t know what you`re talking about as I`m guessing you`ve never even tried it. I believe the term to describe you to best fit you would be ignorant.

[tiramisu]

Sadly I've tried just about every bit of pixie dust on the market at one time or another. I'm as gullible as everyone else, I'm just older.

Make a list of the individual amino acids found in your BCAA's.
There are 11 essential and conditionally essential amino acids for human beings.



Isoleucine
Arginine*
Lysine
Methionine
Phenylalanine
Threonine
Tryptophan
Valine
Histidine*
Tyrosine*
Leucine

Nonessential amino acids include
Alanine
Aspartate
Cysteine*
Glutamate
Glutamine*
Glycine*
Proline*
Serine*
Asparagine*
Selenocysteine**

Nonessential means the body is capable of manufacturing it's own based on adequate consumption of the essential aminos.

The phrase branched-chain amino acids or BCAA is sometimes used to refer to the amino acids having aliphatic side-chains that are non-linear. These are leucine, isoleucine and valine

1. Of these 3 which amino do you believe must be taken by itself to be nutritionally available?

2. Of these 3 which amino do you believe is deficient in a diet that includes 100-150 grams of protien per pound of body weight?

[tiramisu]

http://ajpendo.physiology.org/cgi/co...ull/288/4/E645

Here is an example of a study that says that Free Leucine in the amounts of .1 gram / kg when combined with carbohydrate and protein increases post exercise muscle protein synthesis.

A single 50 gram serving of whey isolate you will give about 6 grams of leucine for example. So again in the case of a diet where a 100 kg man is consuming 150 grams of protein per day the amount of leucine available in the blood should be more than adequate.

[bigtavi8]

Ok didnt read all the threads and call BCAAs bullshit but in my direct expiernce with them they work excellent. At 220 i used 10-15g morning with 50g iso, then preworkout 10g, post workout 15g. Noticed a differnce and only added in the bcaas so say what you want but for 20-25 bucks a pound id say its worth it.

[Big J]

Its makes a huge difference. I us 10 grams of glutamine and 12 grams of bcaa post workout. Then when i get home i eat a meal. I real way more recovered and energized when i do this than when I used whey protein post workout.

[JacktheThriller]

u cant state personal experience because you have no control group, what were the alternate factors during that time period, if you cant control them how can you be sure its the aminos. People have built massive bodies without taking BCAAs, where do u think these aminos come from. They are extracted from food. If you just eat the food you receive much more benefit and nutrition then stand alone BCAAs. If you are on a bodybuilding diet you dont need these.

[O-Train]

u cant state personal experience because you have no control group, what were the alternate factors during that time period, if you cant control them how can you be sure its the aminos. People have built massive bodies without taking BCAAs, where do u think these aminos come from. They are extracted from food. If you just eat the food you receive much more benefit and nutrition then stand alone BCAAs. If you are on a bodybuilding diet you dont need these.

I agree.
Also the placebo effect can be so significant that if you believe something is working (or working better in this case) to some extent it actually will. You may train harder, stay more focused, pay more attention, not miss as many workouts etc.. So in effect the product is working, but only because you think it is and not because of any factors relating to nutrition.

[NACanada]

By: Scott Welch

The most disgusting thing I’ve learned about supplements in a while took place at this year’s SupplySide West conference. The topic of discussion was “how amino acids were made”. Now I’ve always believed that manufacturers just took protein powder, hydrolyzed it and then added extra enzymes to cleave the residue into free-form amino acids. Well I stopped by the AJINOMOTO booth (who are based in Japan and are one of the largest supplier of amino acids in the world), and spoke with sales manager Mike Tesch who told me something shocking! He said that many chinese manufacturing companies make amino acids by taking human hair and bird feathers (yes, bird feathers) and treat them with an acid that breaks them down into amino acids! Talk about YUUUUK! What’s worse is that he said a great number of amino acid supplements are made by this method.