Eggs drowned in ketchup is no longer a low-carb meal. Most ketchups are made with a ton of HFCS, so it's not like ketchup is a vegetable, regardless of what Ronald Reagan once said... Cut it down, then cut it out. You'll get used to it.Originally Posted by Ritch
I make omelettes with lots of veggies, flavoured with soy sauce and hot sauce. Delicious.
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I know, but I still get lean doing it that way. At one point I`d slice a tomato and some peppers and eat a bit with every bite, but it tasted too much like shit.
If consumer magazine claims to know what consumers want, how come they`re still a magazine?
If it works for you, I guess might as well continue doing it. Nothing speaks louder than personal experience.
Still, it couldn't hurt to cut down a bit. I had to totally change my diet from one revolving around sugars, fats, salt, chicken wings, pizza, and Chinese food... it was as hard as anything I've ever tried at first and it took a ton of will power... but now I'm used to eating better and I could never go back to how I ate before. Surely it would be easier for someone who is already lean and eating well to make a few small changes... or maybe not... maybe those few indulgences you hang on to are pretty important. I guess I'll learn for myself once I stop getting leaner and need to tighten things up again.
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No tomatoes or carrots allowed in this diet either.
sorry bros had to bring this one up from the dead... im on day one of this drastic change in my carb intake and i have some questions regarding carbs during/post work out...
until now: i have a bottle of gatorade i drink during my workout, and then 3-4tablespn of table sugar with my protein PWO (because i am 'trying to spike my insulin > cortisol')...
if i keep the gatorade and cut the sugar to 2 tbspn will that completley ruin the diet? im not prepping for a show or anything just want to not have chipmunk cheeks for a bit,
for fat burner im taking RevXP x 8/day, which hasnt started working yet cause my skin doesnt smell like burnt rubber
i may use some clen i have a bunch left over but i will have some serious mental issues if i drop below 200lbs (220 right now)
anyways, i my workout is in 5 hrs, so any input will be appreciated!
thanks boys!!!!
Yes if you're drinking sugar no point in this diet you will just be knocking yourself out of ketosis.
ok, well in that case, i will just use CMI - BIG for PWO, and have my protein 15 mins later
what about the gatorade?
gatorade hath sugar
sounds good!! thanks for the quick replies boys!!
i have the feeling im gonna be extra dead after this workout
Metabolic pathways
Most medical resources regard ketosis as a physiological state associated with chronic starvation.[citation needed] Glucose is regarded as the preferred energy source for all cells in the body with ketosis being regarded as a crisis reaction of the body to a lack of carbohydrates in the diet. Ketosis would thus be a dangerous (potentially life-threatening) state which unnecessarily stresses the liver and causes destruction of muscle tissues. This is still the view of the majority in the medical and nutritional science communities[6][7][8], but in recent years it has been challenged by a number of doctors and adherents of low-carbohydrate diets, who dispute both the body's preference for glucose and the dangers associated with ketosis.[9][10][11]
Ketone bodies, from the breakdown of fatty acids to acetyl groups, are also produced during this state, and are burned throughout the body. Excess ketone bodies will slowly decarboxylate into acetone. That molecule is excreted in the breath and urine. When glycogen stores are not available in the cells (glycogen is primarily created when carbohydrates such as starch and sugar are consumed in the diet), fat (triacylglycerol) is cleaved to give 3 fatty acid chains and 1 glycerol molecule in a process called lipolysis. Most of the body is able to utilize fatty acids as an alternative source of energy in a process where fatty acid chains are cleaved to form acetyl-CoA, which can then be fed into the Krebs Cycle. It is important to note that acetyl-CoA can only enter the Krebs Cycle bound to oxaloacetate. When carbohydrate supplies are inadequate, however, the liver naturally converts oxaloacetate to glucose via gluconeogenesis for use by the brain and other tissues. When acetyl CoA does not bind with oxaloacetate, the liver converts it to ketones (or ketone bodies), leading to a state of ketosis. During this process a high concentration of glucagon is present in the serum and this inactivates hexokinase and phosphofructokinase-1 (regulators of glycolysis) indirectly, causing most cells in the body to use fatty acids as their primary energy source. At the same time, glucose is synthesized in the liver from lactic acid, glucogenic amino acids, and glycerol, in a process called gluconeogenesis. This glucose is used exclusively[clarification needed] for energy by cells such as neurons and red blood cells.[citation needed]
^^^ i didnt write this, i stole it off wiki LOL
I dont advocate carb starvation. Mostly cause im biased and love carbs. I do believe that lowering carbs to 10-20% of your calories, and low glycemic indexed carbs are used only, its effective at fat loss. (and i dont want to breath acetone on my lil lady lol)
That being said i know people who have used the P. diet and have had great success, but they never stay on it long. You can lose muscle on it too. It is a mechanism to fight starvation after all. Im told over and over again that i wont like the first few days if i do try it!
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