Aspirate. Also I add a bit of air to all my injections.. point the needle towards the ground, flick it so the bubble goes to the end towards the stopper.. a little air SUBQ no problem, this way no gear is lost in syringe
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Aspirate. Also I add a bit of air to all my injections.. point the needle towards the ground, flick it so the bubble goes to the end towards the stopper.. a little air SUBQ no problem, this way no gear is lost in syringe
This is still working wonders for my HRT dosages.
Brilliant!! Everyone probably already new this but i didn't, so simple and obvious. Thanks for this bro..Quote:
Originally Posted by gsxr750
Yea the wasted gear point is a good 1 never thought of that and somewere i read that it takes 10cc of air in a vein to kill you not sure how they tested that lol
the amount of gear wasted is hardly worth worrying about
werdQuote:
Originally Posted by waderow
Just wanted to share my experiences. I've been doing sub Q for 3 weeks. 200mg of test split between two shots (of .25ml each). I have doing HRT dosages (well if 200mg a week is hrt... I guess its a bit above). for three years. Sometimes I go up to 300mg or 400mg but most of the time its around 200-250mg. Anyway to make a long story short I am starting to feel test withdrawl (I know the symptoms very well). I have very little sex drive, Im depressed and I dont feel I cant handle life, all classic test withdrawl signs. I dont have blood tests to confirm that my test is lower then it should, only my own experiences. I dont want anyone to take this as evidence SQ doesnt work. Anecdotes arent evidence. Im just putting it out there.
some HRT doctors are prescribing sub-q... and realistically, how could it not work. it is going into your body, unless of course and you are suffering from a drop in levels, until the sub-q catches up as SLOWER, NOT LOWER absorbtion rate is likely
Very true, and its something I considered... I am not someone who considers "10mg of dbol a day made me HUGE" to be evidence that 10mg of dbol will make me huge. I dont want anyone taking my experiences as evidence for or against an effect although I know everyone thinks like this.
I have been researching this and to date I can only find two studies (1 published in the saudi journal) and one that was done in Quebec but never published. Both showed positive results, although I don’t have access to the Saudi journal so I have no way of knowing how long it took for the SC test to reach stable levels. Also the Saudi study was very small. The Quebec trial was never published so again I don’t have access to the data. If you have complete articles studying this mode of use please post them as I want to read them. With the amount of evidence present any scientist would say it’s foolish to utilize this method of treatment. Since I like to experiment more then any thing I will continue to use this method until I am sure it does not work.
I also have a welt from my first injection that has not gone away. All the
other injections have gone fine. Again dont take this as evidence that every time you inject SC you will get a welt. I’m only sharing what has happened to me.
More anecdotal none evidence
Post from Anabolic Minds member Jansz
In June 19/07 I started my subq T & hcg using
BA- 31ga 5/16" long needle 3/10cc syringe
for either shot.
use 6" around navel for shots.
Newer had any problems, infections or anything.
Blood test shows TT as expected.
Estrodial as expected.
DHT as expected (on top of range)
I like the way it is.
Not going to change.
Overall rather skinny but I have a pound or two of fat around navel.
5'9" 165#
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Post from Anabolic Minds Member Bungloid48 (in reference to the Quebec study)
My endo conducted the study quoted on top. Since then they have had all their patients on Sub-Q in quebec. It is the new standard. I've been doing it for a couple of months myself and other than a bit of itching a a tiny bump that lasts for a week or so, there are no problems. It is deeeeefinetly safer than IM by a long shot. It's also completetly painless.
If I was doing HRT, i would do sub q full time for sure.
Now I just like it for volume relief on heavy assed cycles LOL
Good post though Vomit. Interested to hear more from you on this
I did my first Sub-Q Test-E shot yesterday after reading this thread and it went well. No pain, no lump, no bleeding.. much more pleasant than my delt.
Still, your experience is to be listened to. Just switching to sub-q because it seems to work and why not anyway is not reason enough to do so. Scientific evidence, experimental proof, BW after a few weeks is necessary to confirm that sub-q is "just as effective" as the proven IM method. Aside from the fact that IM takes more volume more safely than sub-q, there must be good reason it has been the only recommended method for injecting oil-based gear since, well, a long time ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vomit
Solo
would it be wise to subq inject test suspension? or would i get major irritation from the large particles?? i am feeling like a voodoo doll.......
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Originally Posted by tex
seems suspension gold is g2g :D
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Originally Posted by canadianmuscle0803
next cycle I am ordering suspension to do sub q for pre workout jabs
sweet...i will try later today
Done the suspension SQ several times. No issues,some redness around the site but only the day after and then it was gone.
You felt the suspension SQ as quick as IM?
No. It appeared to come on slower then when I shot IM.
i just shot .5mls of test susp in my stomach....and I ain't gonna lie, it did sting like a lil bastard......but only for like 10-15 minutes......
Has any mention been givento cyclodextrin products?
Those are the only ones I would pin Sub-q.
dont even know what that stuff is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bowlcut
Clyclo dextrins are sugar molecules that are bonded together in such a way that they form a perfect sphere. If you put a steroid inside the sphere you then have the steroid hidden within a hydrophilic carrier. I suppose you think that only hydrophilic compounds can be shot sc, however there is no reason for this to be true.
BTW the test finally hit me after nearly a month of SC shots... I suppose the release rate of 100mg of test from a sc shot is very slow... Probably if I was shooting greater amounts of steroid I would have felt it sooner
so now according to literature I would suspect you to have very stable blood levels of testQuote:
Originally Posted by Vomit
Cyclos were an amazing product because they allowed a person to pin normally long acting steroids like boldenone ED and get effects quicker.
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Im gonna say to go ahead and pass on the sub q water-based test susp......I have a nice lil lump under the skin and it still stings.....id advice against unless you are a glutton for pain.....perhaps oil would be better.....
kudos for trying bro. oil is likely the way then....Quote:
Originally Posted by tex
i am ordering suspension for my next cycle, and will try a sub-q too, as I am kind of a glutton for pain...
My suspension was in EO. Sure I got a little lump and some pain but it went away with time.
you never know til you try....I am switching to eo based test no ester in a week...i'll try it again and see whats up....
I remember tha lab who made those products, never did get to try them but was always curious. It just seemed a little to "high tech" for an UG lab at the time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bowlcut
F.
I had a friend run cycotest with great success. Just really tedious having to microwave the gear every time, but I would say that lab made some of the best stuff around.Quote:
Originally Posted by force
I just popped my SubQ cherry. I have been injecting my new batch of Sust into my quads and have they have hurt like a biotch. It is injection day so I figured I would give it a shot. I injected .7 ml using a 25g 1" needle. There is absolutely no pain. Easy Easy.
try with slin pin next time.... might be better yetQuote:
Originally Posted by RagingRandy
you will likely be sore tomorrow, but just tomorrow a bit
Over 12 hours out. Still no pain. I did notice a bit of soreness when I was in the shower and was touching the area. Other than that I do not feel it.
24 hours out. The pain is about a 2 out of 10. Still not an issue. I can feel it but it is not bothersome.
I am really curious what sustaplex would be like SubQ, the stuff can get a bit painfull IM.
I'm glad to see that a 25g went well for you RagingRandy, i might just give it a try now.
Sust is what I am using. Much better Subq than IM.Quote:
Originally Posted by faller
No shit!! Now you got me all excited :yeahQuote:
Originally Posted by RagingRandy
I hope than means something different than when Mr. O says it.:puffQuote:
Originally Posted by faller
^^ LMAO!! WAY different!!