Dave Palumbo Diet

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Originally Posted by Ritch

Surely Nate you believe there is more than one method to get built. Then why is it you seem to think keto is the only way to get cut? It dosen`t work for everybody. Deal with it, lol... Not all pro`s use it. Ronnie never used it, Rhul didn`t either. Plenty of ripped freaks who never used it as it made them look like shit. And don`t give me that "then they didn`t pay somebody thousands of dollars to tailor the diet for them crap." It`s a total joke today how everybody seems to need their own coach to get ripped. It`s beyond overrated...

But let me clarify again. I think the person who wants to compete is making a good choice doing keto. But let`s not forget the avarage forum member is not looking to get that cut ( cheeks sucked in look, ripped glutes...) therefore it is totally possible and way less suffering to do it the way I said.

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No where have I ever said keto was the only way to get cut but I will agree with what Praetorian has said before and that, logically (that is me speaking) keto is the most efficient means of dieting. If you can do with keto what you can with low carbs but only faster than why go a low carb approach?

As there are many ways to build it there are many ways to lose it and I've never said otherwise. I took exception to your statement that a keto diet was misery when that's been the exact opposite to those many who have run keto.

I've done all sorts of diet strategies out there to just lean out or get into contest shape and I felt way better on keto than I have any other type of diet. I held onto muscle and increased strength while keeping energy levels up and doing 2-2.5 hrs of cardio/day and was rarely hungry. The cardio was due to starting so out of shape to begin with :(

Digestion issues were really my only problem with the diet but I feel it had more to do with me than the diet.

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Originally Posted by jamex

What exactly is the problem doing keto natural? I've been on it for almost 4 weeks now and have been seeing results past the initial 1 week dry up. I lost some size\strength but figured that was normal and would return quickly once the diet is discontinued.

What I'd like to know is does anyone else get the shitty headaches? They've mostly subsided but I still get that sensation like a headband is pulled too tightly. Not really painful but noticeable nonetheless.

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A keto diet works great on someone who is natural. The reason for this is inherent to ketosis. Once in ketosis the body does not want to use glucose for fuel so there is no tendency to convert amino acids into glucose for fuel as in the standard low carb low fat diet. AAS are not necessary to use on the keto diet at all...and you will spare muscle much more effectively then a low carb diet. Not to mention you will feel better because of the insulin control and lack of hunger. For the natural BB or the person just lookign to lose some weight the keto diet is much more effective as it doesnt have the limitations of a low carb diet..ie drop in hormones, mood swings, extreme hunger, lethargy, lack of energy to train or do cardio etc
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Originally Posted by Ritch

Recovery is the main problem, which kinda makes me question the whole "this diet is awesome as it increases test levels with all the healthy fats" Well if my test levels are so high, why is my recovery so bad? Anyway, in the end like anything else, not every plan out there can work for everybody.

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Recovery is not going to happen effectively without calories and carbs...on any type of diet...whether it be low carb or keto...even with aas recovery is limited...hence the reason you dont build muscle effectively while dieting.
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Originally Posted by natenator

No where have I ever said keto was the only way to get cut but I will agree with what Praetorian has said before and that, logically (that is me speaking) keto is the most efficient means of dieting. If you can do with keto what you can with low carbs but only faster than why go a low carb approach?

As there are many ways to build it there are many ways to lose it and I've never said otherwise. I took exception to your statement that a keto diet was misery when that's been the exact opposite to those many who have run keto.

I've done all sorts of diet strategies out there to just lean out or get into contest shape and I felt way better on keto than I have any other type of diet. I held onto muscle and increased strength while keeping energy levels up and doing 2-2.5 hrs of cardio/day and was rarely hungry. The cardio was due to starting so out of shape to begin with :(

Digestion issues were really my only problem with the diet but I feel it had more to do with me than the diet.

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I think the key phrase here is that keto will get you leaner faster than a low carb diet. But still low carb works very fast for me and is why I preach it so much. And as said earlier, gets me plenty lean, keto is not even close to being necessary, so no way would I go without my oatmeal, frozen berrie and protein powder breakfast in any diet phase, lol...

As far as feeling great on it, I have yet to talk to one person who says they feel good on it. Hunger is kept under control being the main benefit of the keto and that`s it. Guys feeling like shit and being totally unfunctional is what I always hear and see. It`s not uncommon to ask them a a question, just to have them look at you with a blank stare then say "what?". And guys who have higher ups following them, and on big amounts of gear.

But it`s my belief that if you wanna get that lean (competition), you will suffer and I just don`t buy into the " I keep my strength, size and mood all through my diet. I`m not calling you a liar Nate for saying that the diet does what yo say, I`m guessing you`re probably a guy who`s very driven to get through such a diet. If you had negative thoughts going through your mind, it`s doubtfull you could get through it.

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Originally Posted by Ritch

I think the key phrase here is that keto will get you leaner faster than a low carb diet. But still low carb works very fast for me and is why I preach it so much. And as said earlier, gets me plenty lean, keto is not even close to being necessary, so no way would I go without my oatmeal, frozen berrie and protein powder breakfast in any diet phase, lol...

As far as feeling great on it, I have yet to talk to one person who says they feel good on it. Hunger is kept under control being the main benefit of the keto and that`s it. Guys feeling like shit and being totally unfunctional is what I always hear and see. It`s not uncommon to ask them a a question, just to have them look at you with a blank stare then say "what?". And guys who have higher ups following them, and on big amounts of gear.

But it`s my belief that if you wanna get that lean (competition), you will suffer and I just don`t buy into the " I keep my strength, size and mood all through my diet. I`m not calling you a liar Nate for saying that the diet does what yo say, I`m guessing you`re probably a guy who`s very driven to get through such a diet. If you had negative thoughts going through your mind, it`s doubtfull you could get through it.

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I don';t have time to reply right now but I can assure you EVERYONE has negative thoughts during the contest prep period. Anyone who says otherwise is lying. We all have moments of self doubt which is why it's the journey and not the destination that matters the most.

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Originally Posted by Praetorian

For the natural BB or the person just lookign to lose some weight the keto diet is much more effective as it doesnt have the limitations of a low carb diet..ie drop in hormones, mood swings, extreme hunger, lethargy, lack of energy to train or do cardio etc
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All those sides you mention hardly affect me low carb. Just to clarify, I rarely go under 240 grams of carbs a day. Higher on training days. What`s your definition of low carb?

Limitations? What? The keto diet is the most limited diet I know of, lol! I guess we see things differently... I have yet to be able to convince one person to follow such a diet when I show it to them. Meat,fats and vege`s gets old fast! Effective no doubt, but in general only possible for someone who wants to compete. Average person will have nothing to do with this.

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Originally Posted by Praetorian

Not to mention you will feel better because of the insulin control and lack of hunger.

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If the person doing low carb goes with low glycemic carbs and has plenty of fiber in the meal, insulin control is kept in check, therefore helping with the hunger issue.

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Originally Posted by Ritch

All those sides you mention hardly affect me low carb. Just to clarify, I rarely go under 240 grams of carbs a day. Higher on training days. What`s your definition of low carb?

Limitations? What? The keto diet is the most limited diet I know of, lol! I guess we see things differently... I have yet to be able to convince one person to follow such a diet when I show it to them. Meat,fats and vege`s gets old fast! Effective no doubt, but in general only possible for someone who wants to compete. Average person will have nothing to do with this.

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Limitations= drop in testosterone, fluctuations of insulin, extreme hunger, mood swings, gluconoegenesis etc
I have many clients who follow the keto diet but have no wish to ever compete nor be a BB. Many are post natal women and some just looking to drop weight to get into shape for any number of reasons. The diet is as varied as you make it...it is the same as the low carb diet without starchy carbs and limited veggies...protein sources are the same...it doesnt have to be boring..only if you make it so. Showing them the diet is much different then explaining how it works and offering proof as in client before and after photos. A recent client recently dropped 40lbs and was able to overcome PCOS to become pregnant when Dr's said it wasnt possible...thanks to the keto diet.
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Originally Posted by Ritch

If the person doing low carb goes with low glycemic carbs and has plenty of fiber in the meal, insulin control is kept in check, therefore helping with the hunger issue.

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Even with low glycemic carbs insulin is not as stable as when in ketosis. Fat is also lower which increases hunger because of less satiety...insoluble fibre will decrease transit time as well.
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Originally Posted by Praetorian

Limitations= drop in testosterone, fluctuations of insulin, extreme hunger, mood swings, gluconoegenesis etc
I have many clients who follow the keto diet but have no wish to ever compete nor be a BB. Many are post natal women and some just looking to drop weight to get into shape for any number of reasons. The diet is as varied as you make it...it is the same as the low carb diet without starchy carbs and limited veggies...protein sources are the same...it doesnt have to be boring..only if you make it so. Showing them the diet is much different then explaining how it works and offering proof as in client before and after photos. A recent client recently dropped 40lbs and was able to overcome PCOS to become pregnant when Dr's said it wasnt possible...thanks to the keto diet.
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Not so sure I agree with those limitations you list as they don`t affect me much, but glad you are able to help out others with the keto diet.