What would it take to be charged with importing? Do they need a controled delivery in order to make a case?
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What would it take to be charged with importing? Do they need a controled delivery in order to make a case?
I want to come back to this. It says, to seek to obtain [the stuff or authorization to obtain it] from a practicioner.Quote:
Originally Posted by bigben
Is there another paragraph that talks of attempting to obtain from other ways?
Read the charges. http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/nb/news/Dec2107_150557.html
Note: there is a difference between trafficking steroids and FDA drug (read GH, cialis, viagra, etc..) and CONSPIRACY to traffic.
Also the meaning of trafficking is:
traffic - buying and selling; especially illicit trade
Note the word buying.
Need any more proof that it's all illegal? Be careful in what you all do. Nothing is safe on the net. Everything leaves a trail. And LE has all the time in the world to investigate and watch. I don't know what else you guys need to understand that anyone doing anything illegal has a very big chance to get caught. You can quote me on that.
No. Attempting to obtain, or obtaining a schedule IV drug from another "source" is not an offence. I'd like to stress that there is no CDSA offence for "buying" any controlled substance. Buying an illicit drug predicates posession, hence why posession is the offence. When it comes to buying/selling there is only possession/trafficking as a charge.Quote:
Originally Posted by Grunt76
Take a look at the list of OJB charges MP posted. You'll see everything is trafficking/conspiracy to commit pertaining to AAS.
People will do and say whatever to justify what they are doing in their head that what there doing it's illegal. Test the waters and see :)
As it's been said earlier, AAS are in a grey area in that you cannot buy or sell them, but if you happen to find them, or they magically appear you're free to take them.
If LE wants to prove that you bought them I'm sure they can, luckily it's not worth their time for personal users.
bump, for anymore info on this subject. Great thread
I will be in Thailand this winter and want to know if its legal to bring back some gear to Canada if i obtain a prescription from a Thai doctor?? Any help would be appreciated.
You may import into Canada, up to a three month supply of prescription medicine for personal use, or for an immediate family member you are travelling with. You must also bring the drug over the border in hospital or pharmacy dispensed packaging. In addition, you must have a copy of the original prescription and make sure both generic and brand names of the drug are included (to avoid hassle).
Normally, simple posession isn't whats scrutinized, but the fact that you are technically importing a controlled substance. Make sure yoy have a copy of the script or you can potentially face ramifications at the airport. Also, make sure to declare it as personal use.
Also, for further follow-up, consider contacting your local police department/MP for consultation.
MITB you have been a wonderful help thank you!!! How much is a three month supply?? :a+
Nice thread.
In case anyone has ever wondered. This is part of the human rights based off the UN's website.
Article 19.
Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers.
Of course as long as you don't infringe on some else's basic human rights.
Its sad....I could go out and in 5 mins score pot, coke, acid what ever I wanted, no problem, no hassle, most likely right I front everyone but try and find some gear forget it. I don't understand the issue. The only person effected is you and you most likely lead a healthier lifestyle then most but you are a criminal. Its BS you ask me.
How about some of the widely available "TREN" supplements you see advertised in USA? I think they might be re-worked prohormones, but damn I'd LOVE to get a few bottles of these in Vancouver!!
why prohormones aren't the shiznet, they are mostly junkQuote:
Originally Posted by spritz0
Metandienone is. same thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kronis
I didn't find Clomiphene citrate and clenbuterol in the Schedule. Does that mean these drugs are completely legal in Canada without prescription?
Not scheduled but they are prescription meds so not legal to purchase or distribute without a script.
I don't think clen is even sold in Canada if I'm correct. They use a different medication here for bronchitis.
Good thread.
Used to be easily available for horses all over Canada.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tiamat
First off there are a lot of sources here in the north to get from and if it's packaged half assed Canada Post will have it to you on time. If you decide to order your goods from over the pond make sure items are being sent with no sig needed and then if you are ever asked to sign you can say no or you can chance it and sign.
For the average user it's not even worth it for LEO to knock on are doors......lol
Do you guys have any idea the amount of contraband(sp?)that customs nabs each day? Let me tell you it a ****ing but load.
I have a t-shirt that reads "I use steroids and the cops can't do shit, ask me why."
GOD BLESS CANADA:fwave
So basically AAS are about as illegal as raw milk. How ****ed up is that? Illegal to buy or sell but not illegal to posses or use.
If trafficking is to buy or sell then is there anything stopping someone from giving the stuff away? Something to think about.
BTW, ever wonder why they call the cars on the road traffic?
TrafficQuote:
Originally Posted by Thorgrim
(a) to sell, administer, give, transfer, transport, send or deliver the substance,
If you even talk about the above, you can be charged with trafficking, so no, there is no loop hole.
It would appear after looking at the interpretation section that you are correct. As usual they have redefined the meanings of the words as they apply to the Controlled Substances Act. They have even redefined the word sell to include giving away for nothing. What a bunch of cock smokers. They do this intentionally so the average person can't understand the law. If you read these Acts assuming that words have their common meanings you will be lost.
New link to the Act they have changed their website.Quote:
“sell”
« vente »
“sell” includes offer for sale, expose for sale, have in possession for sale and distribute, whether or not the distribution is made for consideration
http://laws.justice.gc.ca/en/C-38.8/index.html
you should all thank your lucky stars we live in Canada. mostly, law enforcement has no interest in gear unless it is a LARGE bust. a couple of RCMP that I am aquainted with have told me steroids are not even on their radar for the most part. this comes from a guy that specializes in knocking over grow ops. believe me, they have bigger fish to fry.
If I found myself in court for such things, I would have
my legal agent ask "Is there an injured party ?"
Criminal law NEEDS a victim..an injured party
Most accused just roll over and play dead and
most lawyers are puppets of the law society.
If you find yourself in a spot, get a legal dictionary
and a copy of the codes these slimey ****s use.
They use all kinds of tricky words that you think
you know the meaning of, but they're put together
in a way to trip you up and shut you down.
DO YOU UNDERSTAND ?
thats a perfect example.
you think you know what "understand" means,
but you dont. you know the street meaning.
if you tell a cop or a judge that you "understand",
you sir......are ****ed.
knowledge is power in some situations.
Frightening...Quote:
Originally Posted by YYZgeddylee
Actually, what criminal law needs is the violation of any section or subsection in the Criminal Code. Misinformation is dangerous.Quote:
Originally Posted by YYZgeddylee
Yes it is.Quote:
Originally Posted by PdH
YYZ is on to something he just didn't explain it very well and he might have meant common law and not criminal law.
To get into the topic would take about 10 pages of explanation and I haven't looked into the fine details regarding common law and AAS. I think I may have brought this topic up on this forum or another body building forum before and there was no interest. So I'm not going to bother trying to convince everyone but there is information out there.
YYZ isn't on to anything but misinterpretation about how the law works. Simply put, you violate a section of the criminal code, you commit a crime. No victim necessary for validity.
^^^^ I guess this would be the same as speeding. There is no victim, yet a crime has been committed. I understand the justification for a victim. It seems to me this is the way the law should work.
Well put it this way, it's a criminal offence to disturb oyster beds or communicate in public for the purposes of prostitution. The regulation of behaviour does not require a victim, why would it, or should it? The premise is that we've all agreed to a social contract, and if we break that contract with behaviour that doesn't conform to the best interests of society, we agree to the sanctions.
Quick question and its NOT hypothetical. I am currently in Mexico for work finishing up a 3 month run. I will be returning back to Canada sometime in the next week or two where I will be starting my cycle and would like to take advantage of some inexpensive Arimedex and Nolvadex that I have come across. Are AIs and SERMS classified as scheduled drugs or am I good to go? Any help with this would be greatly appreciated.
They're not scheduled but they are prescription, which requires you to have a valid prescription to bring them back legally.
thanks Pdh, in that case I wont risk it.
So, you can just say that you have a horse with breathing problems and buy clen OTC?Quote:
Originally Posted by baza
Hypothetical situation: suppose someone in Canada is getting clen (not a controlled substance, but illegal without a prescription) in the mail from overseas and the customs find out. What is the legal penalty? I hope asking this is okay with forum rules. :rulz
Actually, speeding isn't even a crime :)Quote:
Originally Posted by RagingRandy
Infraction: A violation, usu. of a rule or local ordinance and usu. notQuote:
Originally Posted by ManInTheBox
punishable by incarceration.