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I was really impressed with this guy...at 22, he has lots of time to learn and change his physique to meet the standards he has too. AS far as making a huge splash, I have to agree with you for sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by varking
The Canadians this year would probably rate as the top show in Canada...ever..to date and there were some incredible physiques that could compete in any amateur show...yep...even in the US.
Have not been on for months but interesting to read all the posts on the nationals. I was there about as close as u could get. The results were prety much exactly what I picked except for only a few people. The light master winner. I think I remember expecting him to get 2nd in masters and 3rd in the open class. Its totally different when ur getting compared to different people. In the audience for example when Mike the overall winner first came out I figured he would end up around 4th. Then whne he posed with the other guys he was just so much leaner in comparison. So basically he kept looking better> i expected him to be in the top 2 and so the judges went with conditioning over pure mass. Not that suprising really. At nationals they usually go for conditioning. In the overall it was very clsoe for the 3 top guys. Any of the 3 I could of seen winning. In light heavy martin allard dominated by more thne any other class, he was by far the best. Alot of people comented on the 2nd place light heavy, I had him in 3rd or 4th. For future pro contenders its clearly jerome and antoines to lose. They both just need to forget about mass and come in ripped. ANtoine looked way better at the night show then in the morning but judging is in the morning. The 2nd place heavy was really lean and could be pro in the future. The heavyweight class was the most competitive in my oppinion, just imagine if mike johnson had decided not to make weight and go super. would have been an even crazzier heavyweight class. the Womens overall winner absolutely killed it and should be a good pro from the get go. Mike johnson has really good genetics and a really good back and great conditioning and just needs another 3 yrs of good training and should be a good pro. He is only like 30 or so and I know has alot of good yrs to improve so I think down the road he could be one of the top pros in canada. Oh and a vote for best winner at nationals all time. I dunno but i liked freaky fready, I forget his full name but man i loved his physique the yr he won but he has not competed since. Mike plats I was a fan of for sure. As far as all the pro cards. I think they are just going about giving the pro cards the wrong way. We all no the their are 2 pro weight classes nezxt yr 212 and under 212. The heavyweight class should start at 212 and the winner get a pro card and the best guy under 212 get a pro card simple as that. Masters overall winner should get a pro card too I think. this elite showdown kinda waters down the competition. Id rather win a pro card by winning at nationals but Id probablhy do both shows for fun.
"Freaky" Freddy Antwi was his name. He beat Mike Platz in 1999 and won the overall.Quote:
Originally Posted by gregdoucette
U nuthugger varking!! Lol!
I totally agree with Natenators assessment..no one was hating on Tony..just wanted him to come in crisp for once..and he did.. And look what happened,
And if I'm not mistaken, Tony isn't a midget guys.. He's no shorter than 5'8... I'd say 5'9. Varking verify.. He's just blesses with good insertions and such so his arms don't look long.. Looks thick and short..
Also, lookin at pics last nite.... Antoine was robbed in my opinion..they didn't want freaky mass on this nite, then antoin was bigger than johnson and wasn't like he was out of shape either.. Ans screw the "judging in the am" he was drastically different and should count for something.. Does @ the O.. And the damn show was super long. Hard to keep or hit peak I bet
Anyone know what johnson weighed and how tall he is
Phats
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MARKO ZABORAC
MIKE FERRER
Thanks for your analysis Greg...was nice to meet you...anything more you can add to your commentary of the light master and welter class?
..your thoughts on Steve Marsh going from 1st to 4th in and hour...and any critique u wanna do on me as well...i can take it
Thanks for the review Greg. Here's the Freaky Freddy profile Freddy AntwiQuote:
Originally Posted by gregdoucette
You can't just 'screw the am judging'...! If they had to rejudged at night, it would again add about 4-5 hours to the night show. Which already goes into the middle of the night. I think its silly that they would judge twice at any show, unless the classes were so small that you actually could zip through it in an hour. It's just too bad for those that get leaner at night - but that is the name of the game. You have to peak at the right time - judging! I myself lost a show because I was soft in the am, and ripped at night. The consulation prize for me was the audience booing when I wasnt' called in first - and I didn't even know 1 person in the audience. But lesson learned, show up ripped at prejuding. Perhaps cost Antoine a pro card and overall win, much more costly than a measly trophy!Quote:
Originally Posted by phatkid77
I believe mike weighed in at 224, and re-weighed a few moments later at just over 225 to get into super heavies. Had he been in the heavyweights, the entire show could have been totally different. I won't get into any more complicated explanations why, but it goes back to the judging system, ranks, etc. And the fact that the overall is judged much differently than the class. most firsts win the overall...whereas a class winner could in fact have no first place votes. Anyway, Mike re-weighing might have been the smartest move of the night! Ex. he may have had the more first place votes against renaldo, but had he been in the class itself, renaldo may have actually won the class even without the most 1st place votes. We'll never know! Although, the simple fact that mike had straight firsts against two great SHWs goes to show that there was something about him the judges really liked. So my whole hypothetical scenerio probably wouldn't have happened. I think Mike was winning no matter what.
Did they change the weight cut off again or am I mistaken? I thought the SHW was 220 and over not 225lbs.
pretty sure 225. hasnt it always been 225?
Hey Todd, If I saw the pics of the competitors i could much more easily give an accurate assesment as i forget alot. I do remember thinking that abdul would win. I remmber thinking he would be close. I remeber thinking that the celis guy had the best build but does not even come in with provincial level definition. He would easily have won had he dieted for another month. Celis shape is so good that i expected him to place about 3rd. AS for urself I was picking u to finish ini the exact spot that u finsihed in both classes. The call outs make it easy as if ur not in the first callout u cant be in the first callout placings. Really ur weakness would be legs, just not enough mass and sweep. Check out celis in comparison. And definitiuon could still improve even though u were not far off being shreded. If I were steve m.. Id just be happy as hell that I won my class and forget the other class. It really could flip flop so easy cus ur picking out completely different bodies. I rembmer not liking his posing. He posed like old school and never seemed to get into it. Kinda like the classical posing style from back in the day. Id compare it to me going on the beach and seeing some girls walk by and thinking one girl was the hotest and then when they walk back to their towels 20 minutes later another girl stood out more. Its really just to close and too completely diff. physiques to be able to constantly placve everyone the same. im sure a diff set of judges would have had diff placings as well. Its not like powerlifting where its easy to see who wins its more liek a beauty pageant.
Hey Phatz I think tonys 5`8-5`9.
I also thought SHW was 220lbs
Nice.Quote:
Originally Posted by jacknare
Thanks Greg...here are a few pics from the morning.
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I am thinking powerlifting is the way to go! Better get back squattin'!!!
225 the OPA was 220Quote:
Originally Posted by bluenose
I'm 5'8 on a good day and I'm just a hair taller than tony, so he's 5'7" and change. Tony was 100% second place at the show, he wasn't a close 3rd or 4th, definitely 2nd. Martin was 100% first as well. Tony is blessed with a great set of wheels and I actually think his looked fuller and rounder than Martin's, but conditioning wise they were pretty close. Tony held his own in the back poses with him too, but the muscle maturity from the front really showed on Martin, especially his Jay Cutler'ish chest, which is also Tony's week spot. Tony's just a kid, if he stays consistant he's gonna be a machine by his late 20's. No shame at all in placing 2nd to an IFBB Pro.Quote:
Originally Posted by varking
Also, NA's and Canadian's are 225 cut off for HW, regional and provincials are 220.
The cut off for Supers has flip flopped at Nationals a few times, from 220-225. They have moved it around. The problem is that the US uses 225lb, while the rest of the world uses 100kg (220lbs).
I guess they are using 225lb pretty consistently now.
GregQuote:
Originally Posted by gregdoucette
Be happy and move forward. Thats precisely what I've decided to do. I realized my posing was a bit off and thankfully that's something that is relatively easy to fix. There were so many time constraints and personal challenges unrelated to bodybuilding during my prep this year that the energy and time for proper posing prep did lack.
Thanks for the advice and observations
Steve
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i agree with Bigguns21, Toney is like 2 inches or so shorter than me im like 5'9 and some. I think at like 210-215 hell be really complete as long as he fills up where he needs to.
Read the thread over the last few days. I don't agree with all the placings but thanks guys for posting up stuff we could see.
Very sad news. Joseph Conte from Ontario passed away in a hunting accident this past Monday. Garry Bartlett just posted the news on facebook.
This was Joseph's first Nationals. He was 13th in the Light-Heavyweight Division.
RIP
Very sad news. RIPQuote:
Originally Posted by MuSuLPhReAk
Back Comparison of the Super-Heavyweights
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In this pose, I have Ryan for second for sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by MuSuLPhReAk
Ryan probably was the best from the back - top to bottom. If anything, a very very close 2nd. From the front it was a different story. Something about the shape I think just made him not stand out quite as much. Top 4-5 in that class were really good. Seems as though nationals is turning into the HW / SHW showdown. Yes there are still some great LHW and lower, but I think the caliber in the lower weight classes has been diminishing slowly over the years. What I mean, is in the past, the classes were a little deeper, where it wasn't just the top 2-3 guys who were phenomenal...You had guys outside top 5 who would place top 3 in todays shows. Part of it is those same guys are now heavyweights!
I have to agree with you on that! HW and SHW are pretty stacked right now. When Larry V. Competes the light heavy weights will be his in my opinion he simply is flawless.Quote:
Originally Posted by steve_d
Ryan in the SHW looked great! Put some really good size without sacrificing his condition. He was also a very good heavy weight.
On a side note if Sammy Zebib drops down into the light heavies like in hi 2004 condition it could again be very very competitive.
The guys are looking solid!! Great pictures in this thread!! Unbelievable conditioning on most those guys!! You've got the best of the best in Canada on that stage!! It could be any one of those top guys to walk away with that title if they bring their best! It will be interesting to see who shows up next year! Congratulations to everyone who competed at nationals!! It takes a lot of work, dedication and commitment to get that far!
The girls looked amazing, and as always, it's an honour for me to step on stage with them!
I know most of you on this forum are guys but, I noticed that there weren't a lot of pictures of the female side of the sport. So here is a link if any of you are interested, as well as the few girls frequenting here, looking to see some pictures.
http://tour.ftvideo.com/showgal.php?...a/8466/7_1&s=6
Im sure that in the superheavyweights ud find that in each pose another guy stood out. Mike Johnson in fact in those trunks does not look nearly as good as at night because he has the most shredded glutes at nationals and those trunks hid them. Jerome bravo stands out the most when relazed but needs to work on getting the muscles to show more in each pose. Antoine justs needs to come in harder and hell win overall.
As far as the contest goes. the heavy weight and over classes do seem the most competitive but in my oppinion its only cuss all the top light heavies are now pro. Robert Belisle, Pat Bernard, Martin allard to name a few who are recently pro. As far as Larry Vinnete being the top light heavy I think u gotta ask urself how I will look with 15 lbs more muscle then my last nationals where I placed 3rd behind robert Belisle and Pat Bernard. I was 181 at my last nationals and I am quite confident I can give any lightheavy a run for their money now that I have added a substantial amount of muscle since 2009.
It's beautiful
I agree. Thanks!!Quote:
Originally Posted by jacknare
Well, that would make things a bit more interesting. Your right the lower classes have changed due to the top guys turning pro. I think the classes were weaker than in past years as some solid competitor didn't compete like yourself ( my donation to the nuthugger society...lol) I think you may see a couple of guys drop down from the heavies to light heavies in addition to yourself, Greg D., and a few others and the class is going to have a whole new look.Quote:
Originally Posted by gregdoucette
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How about some love for all the "Classic" Bodybuilders in the house? Okay, the Asians then? Just playin' (trying to ride off the hype of Jeremy Lin).
Thought I'd throw up some pics from last year's Nats for those of you who like to kick it back a little old school, with a little shape and symmetry. Hope that more Classic Divisioin athletes post their picks from Nats up in here, seeing that the popularity of this division is growing every year!
-Michael Ferrer
2011 Canadian National Overall Classic Bodybuilding Champion
awesome physique! what was your height and weight?! I am surprised this is how good you need to be to come 6th in middleweight...yikes. makes me re-think about my chances as a middle at nationals!
Props to you Mike for your effort last year...like the pics show, you looked fantastic up there..whats in your future plans
Since Mike mentioned classic...and it was a well deserved win for him for sure, i thought i'd give you guys a peak at what the top 5 in the short class looked like. I'm beside Mike in the blue trunks.
DK...I still can't see you 4th. you look 2nd to me. great legs in this picture. I look at the pic and think you'll be crazy massive in men's physique! but as always, it's about the posing and pumping...
DK,
Thanks for posting the "group shot". You looked great up there bro. Hope you have a wicked season!
Razorsedge,
Thanks for the props! No futures plans to compete. Outside of my regular teaching job, I 'll be focusing a little more on my personal training business and endorsement contract obligations.
Steve,
Thank you for the props! Always a pleasure reading your posts...informative and cerebral. At Nats, they measured my height to be 5'7.5". After sitting in the sauna for an hour straight, just before weigh-ins, I was able to drop the 5lbs I needed to make my cut-off weight of 175lbs (as you may know, there's a mathematical formula involved in determining your max weight, in ratio to your height, as posted on the CBBF website). Yes, I got spanked by the judges in the open middleweightclass. However, I totally get and accept this. They felt I was too tall for a class where the average height is between 5'5"-5'6". I would have received preferential treatment in the light-heavies but I would've been at the lighter end of that spectrum and run the risk of getting over-looked in a field of 21 competitors. Therefore, I took my chances in competing in the middles and by proxy, making my weight for the Classic Division.
Good Luck in your endeavours this year Steve!
-Mike
Looking good Mike. I really like the classic division.