Fishoil, Flax Seed, Borage?

[bigpapapump2016]

Hey guys Yet another thread (sorry guys), this time im curious about Fish oil, flax seed and borage. I have these soft gel tabs from the pharmacy, called OMEGA 3-6-9 pills. It is a combination of Flaxseed, fish oil and borage oil. The dosage is 1200 per pill... i was taking 2 in the morning, and 2 before bed.... My question is A) if this good to take B) if its cool to take before bed with a protein shake

What exactly are the benefits of this stuff? I just got it because i read that its key for diet. Thanks again for the help!

[bigpapapump2016]

sorry this might help with your answers : each pill has flaxseed (oil and seed) 400 mg, fish oil 400mg, borage 400mg, alpha linolec acid 200 mg, gamma-linolec acid 75 mg, Eicosaptaenoic acid 70mg Docosahexaenoic Acid 45mg

[bigpapapump2016]

http://www.holista.com/product.aspx?pid=85&cid=2

thats a link to the products website, its not an illegal drug so i thought it would be okay to link to the page for better answers, if its not okay let me know and ill tak eit off the thread, thanks

[gustavo77]

Ya bro they are awesome for you. Healthy fats (Omega 3, 6, 9- also mono-unsaturated fats: ie. Olive Oil) regulate hormones, regulate/improve metabolism, feed the brain (so to speak) and give you quality calories. Taking healthy fats with your protein shake is a great idea (as long as the shake is low-no carbs), as the healthy fats will help slow the digestion of your protein shake and improve utilization.

[bigpapapump2016]

thanks alot for the speedy response, i take it then its good to have before bed as well... you guys have been great

[St]

A book i read Fats that heal and fats that kills,said that you need a min of 10 grams of these caps the get any real health benefits,that's why its better to take it in pure oil form,and caps will cost you way more $.

[gustavo77]

A book i read Fats that heal and fats that kills,said that you need a min of 10 grams of these caps the get any real health benefits,that's why its better to take it in pure oil form,and caps will cost you way more $.

Definitely true but there is no way i am puttin' down 10 grams of wild salmon oil in spoon or shake.. haha. i take the wild salmon oil, when it goes on sale at walmart it is dirt cheap and each cap is a gram. I stock up and keep them in the fridge they stay good for a long time. I generally take 6-8 grams per day.

[St]

Definitely true but there is no way i am puttin' down 10 grams of wild salmon oil in spoon or shake.. haha. i take the wild salmon oil, when it goes on sale at walmart it is dirt cheap and each cap is a gram. I stock up and keep them in the fridge they stay good for a long time. I generally take 6-8 grams per day.

Yes fish oil does taste nasty.

[spiderman7]

I freeze mine to avoid the dreaded fish burp. I read that if the caps were frozen they would eventually desolve in your GI tract instead of your stomach. Its seems to work,no more fish burps.

[gustavo77]

I keep my in the back of fridge were it is ice cold and this seems to help with the burpage as well.

[outshine]

When i buy EFAs i look at the DHA/EPA numbers. Some fish/flax oils are way more potent than others which means a lot when your popping 20 instead of 40 caps per day.

[Turtle]

ground flax seeds, best way to get EFA's.

[shortfatugly]

yes, it is true that flax is cheap. however, it only has 18 carbon chain fatty acids. our body seems to have a tough time enzymatically converting these to the 20, 22 and 24 omega fatty acids. These are the fatty acids that many people purport to confer health benefits vis-a -vis cardiac events, brain memory function, inflammatory responses, blood 'thinning' clotting ability and a slew of other things.

These longer carbon chain fatty acids are found in salmon, trout, tuna etc.

there is another 18 carbon chain that has that has the desired structure at a different carbon. This is found in some genetically modified oil.

THe better omega fatty acids are the EPA 20 carbon, DPA 22 carbon then the DHA 2 carbon.

the recommended intake is 1000 to 3000 mg of fish oil to get the better more efficient omega 3 fatty acids.

Many companies use Flax oil as it is cheap but not as effective as it's omega 3 fatty acid is an 18 carbon chain. Our bodies don't seem to be very efficient at converting these to the 'good' longer chain fatty acids.

IN the works are genetically modified vegetable oils and bacterial oils that have significant amounts of these longer chain omega 3 fatty acids.

The flax oil is supplying a good amount of calories but may not be a great source of omega 3 if you are going after the fish oil health benefits.

this is off the top of my head which seems to be missing a few pieces lately. I'll look some shit up later on if I can remember.

[Turtle]

problem i have with fish oil is the heavy metals that could be in them as well. Know of any brands that are heavy metal free?

[shortfatugly]

As I understand things, at the present time -

most of these metals including mercury, at least the most common form of mercury found in fish, are not soluble in oils.
the mercury is not really soluble in oil.

(deleted story about the two forms of mercury- i leave it to you to look it up if it interests anyone )

For the most part, as far as I understand these things, mercury would not weigh very heavily on my mind when deciding to choose fish oil supplements/ oils.

This is not to say that ALL fish oil products are free of contaminants.

Depending on the lab or techniques, different products could have other things in them to cause you harm.

As I understand it, it is the tissue that holds much of the mercury. So mercury and other metals would be mostly insoluble in the oil.

Some companies state that their product has undergone low atmospheric evaporation to get rid of the contaminants such as PCB's and other organics. they call this process molecular distillation.

PCB's are soluble in oil so this could be a problem.

Finding reputable companies selling fish oil is sort of like finding reputable companies selling supplements. They do exist .. somewhere..

[Mr Ontario]

I won't buy a supplement with Omega 6 and 9s in it. I think people get enough in there diet and they don't know about it. Stick to the good stuff Omega 3's

[Mr.Freeze]

I keep my in the back of fridge were it is ice cold and this seems to help with the burpage as well.

have you ever use Enteric coated softgels?
Help alot with the after taste.

[td1111]

NutraSea brand fish oil has a nice lemon taste, and no fishiness at all. I was quite impressed. It's very easy to drink straight.

[Gettin'r'round]

Go molecularly distilled oils for no metals and burpage! I've just started reading:

The Queen of Fats: Why Omega-3s Were Removed from the Western Diet and What We Can Do to Replace Them

Fascinating... Only on page 47 but learned that omega 3's and 6's compete for the same enzymes that turn them into epa, dpa then dha. Problem is people are getting too much 6's.

[dainbramaged]

NutraSea brand fish oil has a nice lemon taste, and no fishiness at all. I was quite impressed. It's very easy to drink straight.

I've used the Ascenta brand too and it was quite good. They claim to even go out of their way to ensure purity.

http://www.ascentahealth.com/

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