Milos Sarcev 12 Week Olympia Cycle

[Kronis]

Figured it would be a nice change to post a realistic pro cycle I found.

Milos Sarcev 12 week Olympia Cycle



"........Smart pros use dramatically LESS than what most of the people believe...
Some of the guys I prepare actually complained on amounts I have given here on board - as WAY TOO MUCH...and I do know few guys who hardly touch those amounts...

But, if you want to accomplish THE BEST EFFECT: Highest anabolism, lowest catabolism, appropriate androgenic activity and possible fat loss while trying to maintain (or gain?) muscle size and considering correct usage and certainly NOT abusing any drugs...keeping eye on possible side effects vs benefits...than my 12 week Olympia cycle would be:

4 weeks:
Sustanon 250 - (500-750 mg/week)
Deca (500 mg/week)
Dboll (3X20mg/day)
Trenbolon (200 mg/week)
Arimidex - 1mg /day

5-8 week:
Test Prop 50-100 mg/day alternate with Test Heptylate 50-100 mg day (500-700 mg/week)
Trenbolon Acetate (200 mg/week)
Primobolan (500 mg/week)
Anadrol (3 x 25 mg/day)
Winstrol tabs (3 x 15 mg/day)
Arimidex - 1 mg /day alternate with 2.5 mg Femara every other day

9-12 week:

Test prop 100 mg/day alternate with 50-100 mg Test Suspension /day - every other day (500-700 mg /week)
Masterone 100 mg every other day - stop 10 days out
Winstrol injectable 50 mg /day (week 9) 100 mg/day (week 10) and 150 mg/day (week 11) - stop 5 days out
Oxandrolone (3 x 10-20 mg/day)
Halotestin (3 x 10 mg/day) / Or Andriol (40 mg Test Undecanoate x 3 /day) - either or?
Arimidex 2 mg (possible 3?) /day

With this cycle possible additions:

Clenbuterol, T3 (cytomel) T4 (Synthroid) GH, insulin, Cytadren....IF needed or available...but you asked for steroids - anyway...


Seems pretty reasonable to me. He also mentioned 10-20IUs of growth per day on the OFF TOPIC radio show.

[Kronis]

Just read this one too; supposedly Kris Dims cycle.


I will maybe cross the line by saying that my two "freshest" examples of two Olympia competitors who I personally know would BOTH fit into the guidelines I posted.
Both of them qualified and competed in the Olympia several times and one's cycle would be EXACTLY as follows:
start 12 weeks out:
weeks 1-4: 250mg TEST + 200mg DECA - every 4th day
50 mg Anadrol/day
4IU GH/day - 6 days a week

weeks 5-8: 250 mg TEST + 200mg EQ - every 4th day
2 weeks of Anadrol 50 mg/day and than switching to 2 weeks of Anavar 50 mg/day
6IU GH/day - 6 days a week

weeks 9-10: 100mg TEST.PROP (every other day) + 100mg WINSTROL (every other day on alternate days) + 1mg ARIMIDEX/day + 50 mg ANAVAR/day + 6IU GH/day - 6 days a week

week 11: 100 mg WINSTROL every day + 50 mg ANAVAR/day + 1 mg ARIMIDEX/day + 20 mg NOLVADEX/day

week 12: 50mg ANAVAR/day + 40 mg NOLVADEX/day
Night before the contest: 1 DYAZIDE
Morning of the contest: HALF DYAZIDE


Now THINK of this cycle and realize that guy did NEVER took Insulin, IGF, T3, T4, CLEN...and made it to OLYMPIA stage more than once....

[phatkid77]

Anyone notice that both EQ and deca was no more than 5 wks...similiar to "the chad"..I hear ;)

Only anavar and others for like 3-5wks as well???

Shawn davis did 2gm (whole bottle) all in one day!!! Way back when...lol. Fyi

[Kronis]

Another post of his from getbig that goes in line with the first one I posted.




I will cross the line and say little more than I should - but most of the SMART PROS...and there ARE MANY take:

500 - 1000 mg of TEST/week
+
250 - 1000mg of OTHER ANABOLICS along with it....with antiestrogen of choice.

Not all take GH and INSULIN...and if they do it is 2-6 IU of GH/day + 5-40 IU of insulin/day



I said:
500-1000mg TEST/week
+
250-1000mg OTHER ANABOLICS/week
+
2-6 IU GH/day
+
up to 40 IU Insulin a day

AND THAT IS THE TRUTH...some would do just little extra - but majority DON'T!

Also - this is not non-stop either as people think...

Usually, whatever amount of weeks ON - at least HALF THAT MUCH OFF...and often - as much (or more) OFF than ON.

Meaning: 12 ON, 6 OFF...16 ON, 8 OFF...etc



ok there it goes. i am a bodybuilder with 20 years of iron under my belt and preparing for a pro contest,so compare to cycles posted here by guys with 30 or 40 kg less than me.

1000 enant
500 trem (i assume he means tren)
500 bol (i assume this is his weekly dbol)
60 anavar x day
5iu gh
12 iu humalog training days

[Tiamat]

A lot more reasonable than the 2-3 grams of test per week I used to hear.

[SmallieBigs]

^^ true... but I wonder how much and what they use for bulking...? I wonder if many are able to gain all that mass on smaller amounts than what we've heard as well...

[Kronis]

^^ true... but I wonder how much and what they use for bulking...? I wonder if many are able to gain all that mass on smaller amounts than what we've heard as well...

Very good point. All these cycles I've found seem to be for contest-prep and he states "to maintain or even gain muscle", so I don't know if he runs something else for bulking. Really I'd assume it would be less drugs and more food.

Milos loves insulin and has stated that it's responsible for the drastic change in size in the modern era.

On OFF TOPIC he said he recommends 1 inj androgen, 1 inj anabolic, 1 oral androgen, and 1 oral anabolic, changing substances every 8 weeks, but I'm going from memory and it might have been every 4 weeks.

He also pushes a 70/30 anabolic/androgenic ratio split as a general rule.

The 4 week thing makes sense. ALR (Building the Perfect Beast) pushes blast cycles because he says the body achieves homeostasis after 3-4 weeks so it would make sense to keep your body guessing by mixing it up every month.

I know the best weeks of my cycle were the first 4-5, after that everything seemed to kind of level off. I think I'll try regularly changing compounds for my next one.

[canadianmuscle0803]

complete ****en bullshit.. i know some pros personally and im so glad they are not 2 faced lying assholes like this guy..

[PJD]

It's definately obvious that everyone is different and there is more than one way to top of the mountain!

Have Fun!

[JonnyO]

complete ****en bullshit.. i know some pros personally and im so glad they are not 2 faced lying assholes like this guy..

Key word here in BOLD.

[natenator]

complete ****en bullshit.. i know some pros personally and im so glad they are not 2 faced lying assholes like this guy..
lmao tell us how you really feel! heh

[canadianmuscle0803]

key word is some.. ok whatever.. i still dont believe Milos..

[SmallieBigs]

^^^ true... I think people look at dosing of each compound as not being very high, but all added up, it is quite high... hmmm... I'm just not sure why the compounds (especially long estered ones) are run for only, what seems to be, a maximum of 4 weeks.... Mind you I'll be bulking for another year or so before even considering cutting lean enough for a comp.

[Ritch]

2g's a week plus GH/Slin is a massive cycle. I don't get why people think it's not a lot?

People don`t think it`s alot because alot of people who don`t compete use doses equal ot or greater than that.

[SmallieBigs]

^^^^^ Also very true! I know guys that use, what I consider a shitload of gear, who are barely crackin' 210 lbs @ 6 ft. and are fatasses....

[canadianmuscle0803]

2 grams/week for a pro is not a lot of gear.. some of you need to wake up.

[OntariOMuscle101]

2 grams/week for a pro is not a lot of gear.. some of you need to wake up.


How much gear are we talking about here, I know a lot of pros have differant cycles, but how much on average would you say they are on? 3g/Week+? more?

[Praetorian]

That cycle makes absolutely no sense!!
P

[nitrous]

^ and there you have it..


also it doesnt make sense to me to switch up the aas quite that much

[JonnyO]

These guys obviously know something because I've seen things run like that before.

[spinalcolum]

I agree,, genetics is everything when competing for best in the world. Too many guys here seem to be taking way too high of doses..

[Danger]

I personally have no clue what an IFBB pro or Olympia contestant should or would take but I have read about it a few times and it always seems to include changing up the substances used every 4-6 weeks or whatever.

Was Reading a T-nation article on the same topic a few weeks ago infact. (http://www.tmuscle.com/free_online_article/sex_news_sports_funny_grok/the_steroid_interviews_1&cr=)

Deffinatly not the same type of cycle but they do have a few things in common.

[Kilburn]

didnt milos also fill his biceps with synthol?

[tiramisu]

I personally get better results from 2 grams of testosterone than I do 500mg.
I also get better results from 100mg of tren ed than 50mg eod.

... I also get acne. (rat farts).

I understand low dosage cycles to ensure that one can handle/manage sides with a new anabolic or androgen but I'm not sure why people are hoping for great effects from low dosages.

I'm also not quite sure why people seem to think the a couple of grams of test and a gram of androgen a week is a megacycle.

Maybe it's just me.

[nitrous]

didnt milos also fill his biceps with synthol?

many of the pros do

[BDH]

I personally get better results from 2 grams of testosterone than I do 500mg.
I also get better results from 100mg of tren ed than 50mg eod.And Id probably get better results with 2 bullets, rather than 1....

[JonnyO]

And Id probably get better results with 2 bullets, rather than 1....

LMAO

[tex]

that cycle looks retarded.....milos is either lying or has no idea how those chems work.....