View Full Version : So after all those busts...
What is the scene out there like now? Has it died down a bit? Does it seem like LE is happy with the dent they put in the buisness and are settling down, or are they still on the hunt?
As for ordering, is it more or less risky now? Should someone alter their hypothetical orders to have a better chance of success (IE, placing several smaller orders to avoid large suspicous packages, or ordering all at once to get your whole shipment in just one package and not risk having several packages out there).
Of course, these questions only represent hypothetical situations, and Im sure all answers do as well.
ergie
13-10-2007, 05:51 PM
Dont think it has died down, more busts are to come I think but only time will tell.
MIAGIONJUS
13-10-2007, 06:27 PM
unfortunatly i have to agree with ferg...
BloodRage
13-10-2007, 07:11 PM
this is only the begining.
mcgee
13-10-2007, 07:38 PM
more to come
BolicPower
13-10-2007, 07:56 PM
well, i think might be more to come, maybe. I think if people just dont' openly advertise , and keeps things more discete, who knows maybe LE might not be as drastic? I know gear is illegal, but i'm sure LE has worst things to deal with, but if one if blatent, and to open,then they have no choice.
pseclint
13-10-2007, 08:06 PM
i dont know if more busts are to come but it is possible...... one thing is for sure Underground Labs should be underground!!...... none of this putting up websites and openly advertising on boards..... its this kind of cocky garbage advertising that gets these labs busted, after a few initial labs are busted it is easier to connect some dots and bust some more........ Labs should become more private now, staying away from boards and other types of things that will put safety at risk...... we'll have to wait and see what happens here but i think finding a UG lab will be harder than finding the Clit or G-spot
BloodRage
13-10-2007, 08:15 PM
i dont know if more busts are to come but it is possible...... one thing is for sure Underground Labs should be underground!!...... none of this putting up websites and openly advertising on boards..... its this kind of cocky garbage advertising that gets these labs busted, after a few initial labs are busted it is easier to connect some dots and bust some more........ Labs should become more private now, staying away from boards and other types of things that will put safety at risk...... we'll have to wait and see what happens here but i think finding a UG lab will be harder than finding the Clit or G-spot
^ Amen Clintoris !
More will come,but i do think these sites(chat rooms) should be private,and only people can get in from a invited,then you won't have to worry about RCMP,lurking.BTW all lurkers now should get taking off the site if they don't post.If there not here to help other people out with diet or training.Times have change we all have to be extra careful.Some my agree or my not,just my 2 cents.
tarnow
13-10-2007, 09:16 PM
i dont know if more busts are to come but it is possible...... one thing is for sure Underground Labs should be underground!!...... none of this putting up websites and openly advertising on boards..... its this kind of cocky garbage advertising that gets these labs busted, after a few initial labs are busted it is easier to connect some dots and bust some more........ Labs should become more private now, staying away from boards and other types of things that will put safety at risk...... we'll have to wait and see what happens here but i think finding a UG lab will be harder than finding the Clit or G-spot
I fully agree. Even though people who are new to the game may disagree, more discreet sources are the only way this business will survive.
pseclint
13-10-2007, 10:22 PM
More will come,but i do think these sites(chat rooms) should be private,and only people can get in from a invited,then you won't have to worry about RCMP,lurking.BTW all lurkers now should get taking off the site if they don't post.If there not here to help other people out with diet or training.Times have change we all have to be extra careful.Some my agree or my not,just my 2 cents.
I disagree, i think people should use common sense to stay safe....... gotta stop pimping labs and source talk..... possibly a private section that is used to talk about gear would be a good idea but a private board is not going to help board owners..... I think these things are rather expensive in some aspect....... also a lot of lurkers can get away with just using the search button to find a lot of info, they dont have to post or whore themselves on sites to be able to stay on.....
pseclint
13-10-2007, 10:27 PM
yes i agree times definately have to change. More busts likely will come, but it's true that things are a bit looser here than in USA. Often those busted in canada have weapons etc it seems, so perhaps more is involved who knows.
i wouldnt exactly say things are looser in the US........ how many labs were busted down there that had weapons and had involvment in other rec drugs..... there are sooo many labs down in the US that people try to hit other parts of the market due to it being much more competitive..... also the penalty for juice is very close to that of rec drugs so there is nothing more to lose down in the US
blimp
14-10-2007, 12:38 AM
I think it's only the begining. I think the busts will happen soon as ug labs are closing shop and disappearing it seems. Either that or LE has enough evidence already on them and will bust all the guys in one shot calling it operation pump no more or something like that. It would be silly for a ug lab to still be selling now. After the US busts and Harper publically anouncing a war on drugs, it's only a given that LE has to do something. The ug lab scene is officially dead in my books. If it isn't it will be very soon as the labs will all get picked up.
pseclint
14-10-2007, 02:42 AM
I think it's only the begining. I think the busts will happen soon as ug labs are closing shop and disappearing it seems. Either that or LE has enough evidence already on them and will bust all the guys in one shot calling it operation pump no more or something like that. It would be silly for a ug lab to still be selling now. After the US busts and Harper publically anouncing a war on drugs, it's only a given that LE has to do something. The ug lab scene is officially dead in my books. If it isn't it will be very soon as the labs will all get picked up.
this is a very radical statement i think....... There is too much money in the business for all UG's to dissapear...... Labs will have to become a lot smarter that is all...... people as well will have to consider lab safety and be on the lookout....... there really are alot more problems here in Canada than some guys using AAS....... Some of these lab people are also very smart and very well connected so as soon as they hear something they know the proper procedures to go through....... I think you will continue to see UG, but you will not see pictures on boards or websites promoting AAS use....... Alot of it is up to us to keep these guys safe as well as ourselves......
blimp
14-10-2007, 03:05 AM
Personally, if a UG lab doesn't shut down in lieu of what is happening, they will easily get busted, if that is not too late already. As hard as they try, LE will always be one step ahead. They have unlimited funds and manpower to take the whole market down if they wanted to. We are supplying them with those unlimited funds in way of taxes. If the US made major busts, and LE here was involved, they WILL reciprocate (sp?). I don't think I am being radical. I think I am just being realistic. In the last 2 years their have been a number of busts of guys that sell by emails on the net. Do you think LE is dumb that they can't put 2 and 2 together to figure out how they work the market. If I were a cop, I could infiltrate a lab in a matter of weeks. It's not like UG labs turn away clients. I wouldn't be surprised if most have already sold to LE and are under investigation now. At least the boards are clean now which is a good thing for us. We should all get wise and keep that stuff off sites like this so we can continue to have a community and stick to discussing our lifestyle.
And in case some of you haven't realized it yet. Clean house. Most of the smart ones did it a while back. In all the years on the net, this is the most dangerous period for anyone involved with ug stuff. I don't know what some of you need to realize this. A huge bust. It's in the making. I would say being radical is to think it's not going to happen. Great if I'm wrong but usually, I'm not.
pseclint
14-10-2007, 03:13 AM
there are some labs that do not take on new clients however, and have not for awhile...... we'll all just have to wait and see what happens, till then its better to be too safe than sorry
BloodRage
14-10-2007, 04:07 AM
More will come,but i do think these sites(chat rooms) should be private,and only people can get in from a invited,then you won't have to worry about RCMP,lurking.BTW all lurkers now should get taking off the site if they don't post.If there not here to help other people out with diet or training.Times have change we all have to be extra careful.Some my agree or my not,just my 2 cents.
I've been saying this to someone for years now...
BloodRage
14-10-2007, 04:11 AM
there are some labs that do not take on new clients however, and have not for awhile.....
I can't name ONE.
mandarb11
14-10-2007, 10:59 AM
LE has been on these boards for years, they are sometimes well known members that we have chatted with for years! One of the big busts in the US was a guy I knew well, he had gone private over a year ago, the news report said LE had been buying from him and others for quite sometime under screen names on bodybuilding boards. Sadly, he was facing 2 years in jail (federal charges had not yet been laid) and he committed suicide! All I am saying is be careful who you befriend on these boards you never know who is really who!
It is still very hot, I have confirmed emails and have spoken to numerious of UG labs regarding this matter, 2 of my main people were involved, and there are some UG labs that have been labeled, and have not been taken down..
Watch your ass, and be carefull with all Hushmail accounts, They are being looked at...
BolicPower
14-10-2007, 12:05 PM
This is not new, LE is watching all. Now if they act on it is diffrent. Dont kid yourself and think LE isnt' watching. I'm also sure more the 2 UG's are picked lol Canada i hear have lots, but some are just smart and dont' brag on boards, keep to themself and my rep tells me the one UG he deals with wont' talk with other UGs, do to fact it's all traceable.
R.F.S.
14-10-2007, 12:14 PM
More will come,but i do think these sites(chat rooms) should be private,and only people can get in from a invited,then you won't have to worry about RCMP,lurking.BTW all lurkers now should get taking off the site if they don't post.If there not here to help other people out with diet or training.Times have change we all have to be extra careful.Some my agree or my not,just my 2 cents.
I agree with this 100%.
R.F.S.
14-10-2007, 12:30 PM
The fact of the matter is there will be more busts maybe not today or tomorrow but at some point or another busts will happen. Whenever types of busts like this happen it's almost like a domino affect, because guys will start ratting on people to reduce their sentences and therefor more busts occur. We have had it way too easy over the years but it is more out in the open now that these UG labs exsist. If you did your research and have followed up on most of the busts that have occured you will notice that they were caught either because of selling/buying steroids internationally, recreational drugs or because of weapons were involved.
Admin
14-10-2007, 12:46 PM
I would think the simplest solution to all this is just don't do anything illegal. Because there are ug labs out there, doesn't mean you guys need to be all chummy with them. Let them do what they want to do and don't get involved with them. As long as they don't try to push stuff on my site, it's no skin off my back. I'm totally clean and want my site to be the same as
Admin
14-10-2007, 12:46 PM
I would think the simplest solution to all this is just don't do anything illegal. Because there are ug labs out there, doesn't mean you guys need to be all chummy with them. Let them do what they want to do and don't get involved with them. As long as they don't try to push stuff on my site, it's no skin off my back. I'm totally clean and want my site to be the same as I want it to
ergie
14-10-2007, 01:05 PM
I think we get it lol
All black and white:
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/metro/images/070924russo.pdf
Mr.Freeze
14-10-2007, 01:29 PM
Nice way to have a lot of post!:D BUT the guy is right!
Admin
14-10-2007, 01:39 PM
Shit sorry. My return key got stuck and I didn't notice it. I fixed it up :)
physique
14-10-2007, 06:04 PM
Personally, if a UG lab doesn't shut down in lieu of what is happening, they will easily get busted, if that is not too late already. As hard as they try, LE will always be one step ahead. They have unlimited funds and manpower to take the whole market down if they wanted to. We are supplying them with those unlimited funds in way of taxes. If the US made major busts, and LE here was involved, they WILL reciprocate (sp?). I don't think I am being radical. I think I am just being realistic. In the last 2 years their have been a number of busts of guys that sell by emails on the net. Do you think LE is dumb that they can't put 2 and 2 together to figure out how they work the market. If I were a cop, I could infiltrate a lab in a matter of weeks. It's not like UG labs turn away clients. I wouldn't be surprised if most have already sold to LE and are under investigation now. At least the boards are clean now which is a good thing for us. We should all get wise and keep that stuff off sites like this so we can continue to have a community and stick to discussing our lifestyle.
And in case some of you haven't realized it yet. Clean house. Most of the smart ones did it a while back. In all the years on the net, this is the most dangerous period for anyone involved with ug stuff. I don't know what some of you need to realize this. A huge bust. It's in the making. I would say being radical is to think it's not going to happen. Great if I'm wrong but usually, I'm not.
to say all UG labs will be busted is a complete joke! you guys are missing something here, NOT ALL OF THEM SELL ON THE NET! SOME NEVER HAVE!
so how would LE know their email address's for warrants?? when they dont even have one!!
The Ug labs that will survive are the ones who sell street only as right now that is alot safer then the net.
Mr.Freeze
14-10-2007, 07:14 PM
If they cant stop childpornographie on the net! how the hell are they going to stop AAS!:cool: They been fighting cocaine since i was born nothing as change even better its cheapper now then it was back then.As long as people are ready to pay for it theres always somebody ready to make a few buck!
What about safety in ordering? I cant imagine all the risk is on the labs. How do the customers fare in all this? What ways can they keep themselves as safe as possible?
physique
14-10-2007, 10:47 PM
What about safety in ordering? I cant imagine all the risk is on the labs. How do the customers fare in all this? What ways can they keep themselves as safe as possible?
shop on the street. and expect to pay out the nose, but less likely of getting busted.
i cant see LE going after the user in this country. and when i say user i mean someone who orders twice a year at best and his orders are paltry. ie. couple hundred dbol, 20-40amps of sust. u know something that represents a cycle, notsomething that screams "HI, i am a dealer"!!!!
blimp
15-10-2007, 01:23 AM
As physique said, shop on the streets/gyms. The net is not safe. Use the boards to educate yourselves in all aspects of bodybuilding but do not do anything illegal on the net. LE is trying to pass a law/bill (whatever it is) to get anyone's details on the net by just asking for it. No more subpeona needed. They are pushing hard for this to happen so the net is getting more and more unsafe.
BloodRage
15-10-2007, 02:48 AM
I gotta say though, that 1 good thing about this crackdown is that all the losers who use AAS;
-All the fvcking time,
-As a crutch because they have no clue how to eat or train and are too lazy to do them right anyhow,
-Don't even exercise,
-Use to be "cool",
-Juice up for the "club scene", POSEURS!!!
-Are too young and/or stupid to use safely,
-Use it as an excuse to be assholes, "it was roid rage",
-or are big fat pigs looking for a magic pill,
Won't have all the access they have now.
GOOD!
There are likely a bunch of people on this very board that fit some of the above, and if you feel insulted by something I wrote, you are only confirming you're guilty and need a punch in the face.
pseclint
15-10-2007, 03:13 AM
jeez ever since BR has competed he sure has been testy lately..... hey BR take some down time, sit back, relax, maybe lock a few threads, you'll feel better after
BloodRage
15-10-2007, 03:34 AM
why bother?
OK then, can someone explain how LE even finds gear if it is ordered online and shipped domestically?
As i understand it, there are no customs worries as the mail in a domestic shipment does not cross any international borders. WOuldnt seizing a shipment then only happen if it is a random search by Canada Post? I would assume they would then notify the RCMP and an investigation would start.
But it sounds almost like some people are saying that LE is basically tracking every email that comes out of a cyber rights ot hushmail coount pertaining to aas?
Any ideas on how this all works?
BloodRage
15-10-2007, 03:48 AM
if they know the dealer, they just watch them.
If they know a receiver is a user, they watch to see who they get mail from.
have a bunch of users who get mail from the same place....
They hack [or obtain court permission] email accounts of suspects.
pretty simple stuff for the most part.
just ask yourself how u'd do it if you were them.
BloodRage
15-10-2007, 04:13 AM
lol, engrish prease.
pseclint
15-10-2007, 05:10 AM
lol, engrish prease.
lmao.......
yep it just takes someone to trip for everyone to fall...... connect the dots would be the easiest way to do it...... if you can find a source so can they
Man, that seems like a lot of man hours being spent on preventing people from using a substance that has positive effects on people.
Ah well, one day when im in charge.....
Thanks for the discussion, gents!
BloodRage
15-10-2007, 08:09 PM
It does, but don't forget the cops/agents are being paid anyhow, so they might as well be working for it...
sosa#1
15-10-2007, 11:53 PM
All they have to do is order from a source and that would give them a green light to hack the email address and pin whoever picks up the cash at the address given by the source, then its a matter of that person rolling on others or staying quiet. Kind of scary when you think about it, the risks involved and knowing shit is going down right now.
rated_rko
16-10-2007, 02:18 AM
well all seems quiet the beginning of this week
physique
16-10-2007, 05:20 PM
All they have to do is order from a source and that would give them a green light to hack the email address and pin whoever picks up the cash at the address given by the source, then its a matter of that person rolling on others or staying quiet. Kind of scary when you think about it, the risks involved and knowing shit is going down right now.
any source would have to be a idiot to accept a email from a unknown address with a order on it these days!
Namelessone
16-10-2007, 06:42 PM
I think the biggest concerns LE has over roids is two things.
1) The government is not making tax money off it
2) If made in an unsanitary location like they are saying the UG Labs in the bust were they are dangerous to the user by infection.
I personally dont see the big deal. So what if I want to risk my health (what can happen, cyst removal? Big shit!) its not like I'm going to kill people for money to buy crack... I think they are focusing on the wrong drugs thats for sure...
BolicPower
16-10-2007, 07:34 PM
I think the biggest concerns LE has over roids is two things.
1) The government is not making tax money off it
2) If made in an unsanitary location like they are saying the UG Labs in the bust were they are dangerous to the user by infection.
I personally dont see the big deal. So what if I want to risk my health (what can happen, cyst removal? Big shit!) its not like I'm going to kill people for money to buy crack... I think they are focusing on the wrong drugs thats for sure...
I can see, that secretly they'd like there tax part for sure. As for unsnaitary. This is just my opinion, but they say this more so to put scares in people, i've heard some rare cases, but i found after due to user saying things like they were injecting everyday same spot. I think most DO try to make sure is good. But most news articals i've seen, mostly say it's made in sinks and bathtubs. Ya right.
trykillthis
16-10-2007, 09:15 PM
I can see, that secretly they'd like there tax part for sure. As for unsnaitary. This is just my opinion, but they say this more so to put scares in people, i've heard some rare cases, but i found after due to user saying things like they were injecting everyday same spot. I think most DO try to make sure is good. But most news articals i've seen, mostly say it's made in sinks and bathtubs. Ya right.
Or they say lab tests found traces of mercury or lead in the gear.:rolleyes:
Namelessone
16-10-2007, 10:00 PM
I can see, that secretly they'd like there tax part for sure. As for unsnaitary. This is just my opinion, but they say this more so to put scares in people, i've heard some rare cases, but i found after due to user saying things like they were injecting everyday same spot. I think most DO try to make sure is good. But most news articals i've seen, mostly say it's made in sinks and bathtubs. Ya right.
I'm with ya man. My first 3 cycles years ago were Mexico stuff and I've been on UG Lab stuff for.... urgh... a long time now cycling and cruising and never a single problem. I think most of it is media hype trying to give readers a reason to say UG Labs are bad and get us to stop buying. There were a few photos on DEA's website those that were questionable.
tony_canuck
17-10-2007, 03:58 AM
when it comes to other ug lab busts, the ones that are domestic and not involved with the guys in the US should be fine. The Canadian LE guys were pushed by the US feds to bust our guys up here in CDA. The insane war on drugs by the US is the real problem. If our guys don't piss off the US feds and lay off the rec and weapons, that should be no problem.
Look at the track record, even back in the Mexico days. If a lab flaunts that they can do whatever they like in front of the US, those feds will get pissed and fight back. Lay low, stay off the rec, away from the US and you'll be fine.
bottleneckblooz
17-10-2007, 06:16 AM
when it comes to other ug lab busts, the ones that are domestic and not involved with the guys in the US should be fine. The Canadian LE guys were pushed by the US feds to bust our guys up here in CDA. The insane war on drugs by the US is the real problem. If our guys don't piss off the US feds and lay off the rec and weapons, that should be no problem.
Look at the track record, even back in the Mexico days. If a lab flaunts that they can do whatever they like in front of the US, those feds will get pissed and fight back. Lay low, stay off the rec, away from the US and you'll be fine.
I hope you're right, but I'm not totally convinced. I think if they have the evidence on someone they will act on it. Maybe not immediately but they'll save it for a rainy day. Let's say some scandal hits the RCMP, and they are getting bad publicity. They will need something to offset that bad publicity and show the public, "Hey look, we're still doing a good job! We just made a huge UG steroid bust of X amount!!"
I hope this doesn't happen, but everyone stay on your guard.
Namelessone
17-10-2007, 10:15 PM
I think our Canadian UG Labs just need to watch how much they sell for a while. As an example most labs have a minimum order. Well now they should also have a Maximum order. So if their minimum is say $300 then their Maximum should be something like $500... And they should NEVER mail out from the same post office. If I were dealing (which I'm not so dont ask for gear) I'd drive an hour plus just to get to a post office to mail out one package then another hour to mail the next etc... A lot of hassle? Yes but if it meant not going to jail and still making tons of cash then I'd do it...
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