proviron vs nolva

[L3]

going to be running test e 250mg EOD, have LTL Proviron on hand, also GP nolva...

im thinking, start with proviron 75mg ED, if gyno appears (or when proviron runs out) jump on 10 mg nolva, up to 20 ED if problems persist.

also have aromasin on hand if things get out of hand.

your thoughts? am i good to go?

[gustavo77]

Proviron will not treat gyno effectively...nolva or an AI is what's needed. That said Proviron is an awesome drug and i run it on cycle, every cycle with an AI. 50mg of Proviron per day and 1mg of adex eod...this is generally when on 200-250mg of test eod...

[hyperlite32]

whatdo you use 50mg of proviron for Gus?

[BAM]

I like proviron.

Nolva makes me feel like shit.

[gustavo77]

whatdo you use 50mg of proviron for Gus?

For a reduction in SHBG increasing free-test. It makes test more effective, keeps the water down and makes me horny as hell. The best libido enhancer is proviron IMO. Also i find i can get away with a lower dose of AI on cycle when i use proviron...i can actually use 0.5 mg of adex eod on 750mg of test and have no gyno/estrogen issues when taking 50mg of proviron per day.

[gustavo77]

I like proviron.

Nolva makes me feel like shit.

Bump, nolva is shit IMO...aside from being the fastest gyno stopper in my experience, nolva is useless...even in pct it does nothing for me..

[canadianmuscle0803]

For a reduction in SHBG increasing free-test. It makes test more effective, keeps the water down and makes me horny as hell. The best libido enhancer is proviron IMO. Also i find i can get away with a lower dose of AI on cycle when i use proviron...i can actually use 0.5 mg of adex eod on 750mg of test and have no gyno/estrogen issues when taking 50mg of proviron per day.

BUMP.. Proviron is simply AMAZING!! i never run a cycle without it.

[Dozer1980]

damn good thread as i have nolva on hand lol does proviron act as a "hardner" for any of you? and perhaps i should get some clomid as well for my pct?

[theboss]

i prefer clomid for PCT...nolva really only helps block/stop gyno imo.

[Solo59]

BUMP.. Proviron is simply AMAZING!! i never run a cycle without it.

Seems to me low-dose masteron (http://www.mesomorphosis.com/steroid-profiles/masteron.htm) has the same effects, with the added possibility of causing muscle density increase. Agree? Disagree?

Solo

[#8]

Nolva does way more than just block gyno.....according to ology....

This drug also shows the ability to increase production of FSH (follicle stimulating hormone) and LH (luteinizing hormone) in the male body. This is accomplished by blocking negative feedback inhibition caused by estrogen at the hypothalamus and pituitary, which fosters the release of the mentioned pituitary hormones. This of course is also the function of Clomid and cyclofenil. Since a higher release of LH can stimulate the Leydig's cells in the testes to produce more testosterone, Nolvadex can have a positive impact on one's serum testosterone level. This "testosterone stimulating" effect is an added benefit when preparing to conclude a steroid cycle (post cycle therapy or PCT). Since most anabolic/androgenic steroids will suppress endogenous testosterone production, Nolvadex can help restore a balance in hormone levels. Nolvadex should be preferred over Clomid for this purpose in fact, as side by side it is clearly the stronger agent. It has also been shown to increase LH responsiveness to Gonadotropin Releasing Hormone after time, while Clomid slightly lowers this sensitivity as the drug is used for several weeks.

[nitrous]

yeah i know RR likes nolva more than clomid even for getting his test going again.. we know everyone is different so that could definitely be a factor

[gustavo77]

Nolva does way more than just block gyno.....according to ology....

This drug also shows the ability to increase production of FSH (follicle stimulating hormone) and LH (luteinizing hormone) in the male body. This is accomplished by blocking negative feedback inhibition caused by estrogen at the hypothalamus and pituitary, which fosters the release of the mentioned pituitary hormones. This of course is also the function of Clomid and cyclofenil. Since a higher release of LH can stimulate the Leydig's cells in the testes to produce more testosterone, Nolvadex can have a positive impact on one's serum testosterone level. This "testosterone stimulating" effect is an added benefit when preparing to conclude a steroid cycle (post cycle therapy or PCT). Since most anabolic/androgenic steroids will suppress endogenous testosterone production, Nolvadex can help restore a balance in hormone levels. Nolvadex should be preferred over Clomid for this purpose in fact, as side by side it is clearly the stronger agent. It has also been shown to increase LH responsiveness to Gonadotropin Releasing Hormone after time, while Clomid slightly lowers this sensitivity as the drug is used for several weeks.

I'd love the see the actually studies.... Here is an actual study that shows nolva had no effect on LH and test in the males studied:

http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/79/2/513?maxtoshow=&HITS=10&hits=10&RESULTFORMAT=1&andorexacttitle=and&andorexacttitleabs=and&fulltext=+tamoxifen+testosterone&andorexactfulltext=and&searchid=1&FIRSTINDEX=0&sortspec=relevance&resourcetype=HWCIT

[#8]

i ran nolva with some natirual test boosters for my pct and im getting bloodwork done next week sometime. i felt fine on it.

[bottleneckblooz]

BUMP.. Proviron is simply AMAZING!! i never run a cycle without it.

You and Gus must be the ones buying up all the Proviron. It seems all the Labs I know are out of it right now!:(


And yes Proviron is awesome. Last time I ran it I started at 50mg/day and actually had to drop it to 25mg/day because libido was getting a bit TOO high lol.

[Solo59]

repeat

[Solo59]

You and Gus must be the ones buying up all the Proviron. It seems all the Labs I know are out of it right now!:(

And yes Proviron is awesome. Last time I ran it I started at 50mg/day and actually had to drop it to 25mg/day because libido was getting a bit TOO high lol.

Libido is too high? That's only true if you're around your sister-in-law or you teach high school.:rolleyes:

I find (again, since my previous comment was ignored) that Masteron has much the same effect.

Solo

[nitrous]

I'd love the see the actually studies.... Here is an actual study that shows nolva had no effect on LH and test in the males studied:

http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/79/2/513?maxtoshow=&HITS=10&hits=10&RESULTFORMAT=1&andorexacttitle=and&andorexacttitleabs=and&fulltext=+tamoxifen+testosterone&andorexactfulltext=and&searchid=1&FIRSTINDEX=0&sortspec=relevance&resourcetype=HWCIT

hey gus.. what about this:

"Nolvadex also has some important features for the steroid using athlete. In hypogonadic and infertile men given nolvadex, increases in the serum levels of LH, FSH, and most importantly, testosterone were all observed (35)It can also block a bit of estrogen in the pituitary, which is a great benefit when used with HCG (more on that later) (36)(37). The increase in testosterone Nolvadex can give someone with a dysfunctional is basically that 20mgs of Nolvadex will raise your testosterone levels about 150% (6)...Why don’t we use Clomid, another SERM? Well, basically because it takes much more to do the same thing. In comparison, it would require 150mgs of Clomid to accomplish that type of elevation in testosterone, but Nolvadex also has the added benefit of significantly increasing the LH (Leutenizing Hormone) response to LHRH (LH-releasing hormone) (6)."

source:
http://www.*****************/articles/steroids/postcycle.html

[gustavo77]

hey gus.. what about this:

"Nolvadex also has some important features for the steroid using athlete. In hypogonadic and infertile men given nolvadex, increases in the serum levels of LH, FSH, and most importantly, testosterone were all observed (35)It can also block a bit of estrogen in the pituitary, which is a great benefit when used with HCG (more on that later) (36)(37). The increase in testosterone Nolvadex can give someone with a dysfunctional is basically that 20mgs of Nolvadex will raise your testosterone levels about 150% (6)...Why don’t we use Clomid, another SERM? Well, basically because it takes much more to do the same thing. In comparison, it would require 150mgs of Clomid to accomplish that type of elevation in testosterone, but Nolvadex also has the added benefit of significantly increasing the LH (Leutenizing Hormone) response to LHRH (LH-releasing hormone) (6)."

source:
http://www.*****************/articles/steroids/postcycle.html

That is Anthony Robert's bullshit with no real scientific data to back it up. There are no sited studies, real studies to show nolva increases LH or FSH in males... Aromasin is awesome though, at least he got that right...there is some clinical data that shows it can increase test in males by up to 60%...

[nitrous]

That is Anthony Robert's bullshit with no real scientific data to back it up. There are no sited studies, real studies to show nolva increases LH or FSH in males... Aromasin is awesome though, at least he got that right...there is some clinical data that shows it can increase test in males by up to 60%...

hmm that is pretty good for aromasin.. yeah i wasnt sure how accurate the studies were and wanted to generate a discussion on it

[bottleneckblooz]

Libido is too high? That's only true if you're around your sister-in-law or you teach high school.:rolleyes:

I find (again, since my previous comment was ignored) that Masteron has much the same effect.

Solo


lol, I'm serious. It was interfering with my life. I would be running late for work, and my gf would just kiss me goodbye, and boom, I'd get a boner. I'd get boners for no reason at very inconvenient times...lol

[Will B.Huge]

proviron does definitly make me harder, would do a cycle without it

[Dozer1980]

just got mine in bros im gonna start it at 25mg per day see how it goes