Saizen GH

[Vitamin S]

a friend of mine is on saizen gh, hes doing 4iu daily in the morning. he's retaining a bit of water, like he's puffy everywhere, its week 2, he worked his way up from 2 iu to 4iu, and will stay here, is this normal, will it subside.

how is saizen gh as a brand, is comprable to bluetops or jintropin.thanks.

[physique]

i cant wait to see the responses in this thread. i would bet 90% of the people who post bash the saizens calling fake. but yet many have gotten great results from them.

and yes when u use Gh you have a tendancy to hold water

[JonnyO]

OK, I was very leary of this brand when I first heard and seen it. I mean the powder look odd and the box is in Mexican but the inserts in English, lol.

So in order to find out the final verdict on this shit what better way to find out if its any good than to try for myself? So I got a kit of it, and been bangin' 4iu a day. I was going to do a bit of a crash diet here to burn off some of the holiday fat plus 4 weeks off the gym I accumulated. Well not so much change in the diet, its just as bad, lol. I get my main meals in and still eat my snacks and treats on top and I am getting leaner. My muscles retain the full look I get from GH. So far so good for me so now I can rest assured and sleep at night as I know its doing it's job.

[gustavo77]

They may indeed be good GH but they are far too expensive for this cat. Chinese GH, aside from mabe jinotropin should not cost that much IMHO.

[Zeron]

Any Pic's??

[ergie]

Just re-labeled generic GH, not real pharm grade GH. Not really expensive either, have seen similar prices as Blue tops. Whoever made the boxes could have done a better job though lol, not so great but whatever.

[St]

Just re-labeled generic GH, not real pharm grade GH. Not really expensive either, have seen similar prices as Blue tops. Whoever made the boxes could have done a better job though lol, not so great but whatever.


Nice and there being passed off as 15iu,good to know this.

[Monka]

They may indeed be good GH but they are far too expensive for this cat. Chinese GH, aside from mabe jinotropin should not cost that much IMHO.

There everywhere man, lol like the snow, lol everywhere... seems to be good..

[physique]

Any Pic's??


:greet:greet

[JonnyO]

doubt they are 10iu being passed off as 15iu.

[Average 270lb Guy]

If they are in fact a 10iu vial being passed as a 15iu kit, then guys are getting fantastic results off of 2 iu's a day!!! First person feedback on these have consistently been great.

[Zeron]

Thank you for the pic bro, respect

Z................

[Flex15]

a friend of mine was taking these kits at 10 iu ed with no sides.....i hope there ok i have 2 of them sitting in my fridge but i have not heard good things so far

[JonnyO]

i have not heard good things so far

Did you read any of the posts in this thread??? :rolleyes:

[Flex15]

yes but before this thread i have not heard anything good this is the first time in a few months i have heard anyone say anything good about these kits

[canadianmuscle0803]

any pics of the vials???

[Flex15]

i have pics but cant figure out how to upload them

[Zeron]

:greet:greet

Bro, Thank you once again for pic...Can you take one of bot & unsealed Top?
(The plunger)

Thank you, kindly

Z....................

[Stonewald Rockwater]

i think there was a weaker batch last spring, but all the recent stuff is gtg

[canadianmuscle0803]

the vials are 15iu/vial/10vials/kit right?

[Flex15]

ya 10 vials

[canadianmuscle0803]

ya 10 vials

are you on them right now? if so, what do you think?

[physique]

Bro, Thank you once again for pic...Can you take one of bot & unsealed Top?
(The plunger)

Thank you, kindly

Z....................

umm, thats not even my holding it. i found that on the net. heres a couple more i found.

[Flex15]

are you on them right now? if so, what do you think?

no i bought 4 of these kits and before i started to take them i started hearing that they were 192aa so i didnt start them

[guest]

have witnessed good results from these. that is fat loss. they are priced very competitively from what i've seen.

[Zeron]

Thanks again bro, now my eye's are playing tricks on me, are they blank no (FLIP TOP)
just plain green tops?? SORRY FOR BREAKING THEM

Z....................

[Flex15]

no flip top just blank

[canadianmuscle0803]

I did some searching around and I hear this GH is bunk...

[physique]

I did some searching around and I hear this GH is bunk...

i think people are mixing up the 240iu kits with these 150 iu kits.

There are 3 gusy in my gym, that use this stuff and the results so far are quite noticable. so even if the above is true, it doesnt explain the results i have seen with my own eyes. and all of them are running it alone.

[Flex15]

i think people are mixing up the 240iu kits with these 150 iu kits.

There are 3 gusy in my gym, that use this stuff and the results so far are quite noticable. so even if the above is true, it doesnt explain the results i have seen with my own eyes. and all of them are running it alone.



so are you saying that the 240 iu kits are suppose to be bunk and these ones seem to be fine then

[St]

i think people are mixing up the 240iu kits with these 150 iu kits.

There are 3 gusy in my gym, that use this stuff and the results so far are quite noticable. so even if the above is true, it doesnt explain the results i have seen with my own eyes. and all of them are running it alone.

Ya many said the 240iu were Bunk.

[physique]

there has to be something in these kits (150iu) as results i am seeing wth shitty diets and half assed cardio doesnt make sense.

but without a "test" no one will be 100% sure.

the 240iu kits though where complete shit!

[JonnyO]

I did some searching around and I hear this GH is bunk...

Take feedback from someone who has actually used the stuff and thinks they are bunk, not from someone who heard from so and so as thats what this was maybe the case?

I tell you from first hand usage, as of last night, they are fine. Actually today when with my wife and baby at the mall my left wrist was bugging me and still is right now. I've only gotten that from Jins before.

[Old-Dog]

I may have butchered my cycle. Screwed up my PCT but I will tell you this;

These kits work. I have been awfully sloppy with my diet and sleep, yet I continue to grow, have great skin and feel awsome.

My stomach has never been leaner and I know that most of my pal's are just as happy.

Cost range is anywhere between $400-$800 a kit from what my friend told me.

[Old-Dog]

I needed one more for 60 posts

[gustavo77]

Whether they're 191aa or 192aa your body will adapt to them and build a tolerance at about the same rate.. Doesn't matter what sequence you use either way.

That's not how it works. 191aa is the current amino acid sequence for human GH. There is no "adapting" to 191aa HGH, it always works.

What occurs with 192aa is not that the body adapts but the body sees this hormone as foreign (it is not the right amino acid sequence) and will produce antibodies to destroy or render it useless....this does not happen in all users apparently, and takes time to occur in those that it does happen with.

[Old-Dog]

My bad.(No prices) Now I know.

I also found that these kits are slower acting and have a different effect than the Jins.

I am in my early 30's so I really notice the effects of Gh.

I found the Jin's to work faster and provided a more intense work out, with no sides.

With the Saizen, I found it took almost 2 kits before I started noticing some serious results. But, when the Saizen kicks in, it works very well.

[ironwill]

gdamn it, i almost had my mind made up to not do any gh because of so much sketchy talk lately around gh...Now im hearing a few guys i respect say they are good and great....I may have to try them again, i loved the jins @ 2ius /day, but that was my only experience thus far on GH..
damn you a-holes

[JonnyO]

LOL @ IW.

Flexy you dont build up a tolerance to GH, Some say they do or you could to the Fitropin Kexxing brand 192aa, I used them in between Jins a few years ago when i ran GH for a year and a half straight and found them to be just as good with less sides....water retent and CT. So it must be an individual thing.

[natenator]

LOL @ IW.

Flexy you dont build up a tolerance to GH, Some say they do or you could to the Fitropin Kexxing brand 192aa, I used them in between Jins a few years ago when i ran GH for a year and a half straight and found them to be just as good with less sides....water retent and CT. So it must be an individual thing.
year and a half? Damn. How were results? What was the goal? Worth the $$?

I am going to try running my GH for a full year as long as supply holds up.

[Mr Ontario]

I would if had the powers to edit your price post ..but I'm not a mod :)


My bad.(No prices) Now I know.

I also found that these kits are slower acting and have a different effect than the Jins.

I am in my early 30's so I really notice the effects of Gh.

I found the Jin's to work faster and provided a more intense work out, with no sides.

With the Saizen, I found it took almost 2 kits before I started noticing some serious results. But, when the Saizen kicks in, it works very well.

[kibrood]

Been on these for 5 months at 5iu ED shot every morning. Very happy with the fat loss at this dosage. I tried running 10ius ED (shot 5iu in the morning, 5iu PWO) but my joints hurt like hell, especially my wrists, and the lethargy was rough. Ran that for 18 days before the sides were too much to handle and I went back to 5iu.

At 5iu my current sides are slight CTS and ocassional numbness in my hands. I get comments all the time about my recomp and funny enough my sudden tan.

Overall, I'm happy with it.

[natenator]

Been on these for 5 months at 5iu ED shot every morning. Very happy with the fat loss at this dosage. I tried running 10ius ED (shot 5iu in the morning, 5iu PWO) but my joints hurt like hell, especially my wrists, and the lethargy was rough. Ran that for 18 days before the sides were too much to handle and I went back to 5iu.

At 5iu my current sides are slight CTS and ocassional numbness in my hands. I get comments all the time about my recomp and funny enough my sudden tan.

Overall, I'm happy with it.
sudden tan???

[kibrood]

my skins looks better when I'm on GH, out of the blue people just notice something is different and ask if I've been tanning or took a trip. Happens every time.

[gsxr750]

Woh woh, wait a second. Kibrood.. are you Brood from the Killer Instincts Quake team?

If not, ignore that. lol

[Old-Dog]

One of the main reasons for my GH use is surely the quality appearence it provides my skin.

It's freaky, but whatever wrinkles I had forming are absolutely gone.

[JonnyO]

Woh woh, wait a second. Kibrood.. are you Brood from the Killer Instincts Quake team?

If not, ignore that. lol

Do you Quake out bro? Shit I havent played that game for like 7-8 years when QuakeI was online, ****ing frag fest that one was :yeah

[Average 270lb Guy]

I agree, even though I am just finishing up a blue Soma kit, I m sporting a nice tan as well and I haven't been anywhere near the sun or a tanning bed.

[kibrood]

Woh woh, wait a second. Kibrood.. are you Brood from the Killer Instincts Quake team?

If not, ignore that. lol

Wow, someone has a good memory. Indeed I am. I met up with the old .ki. clan a couple of weeks back (sybek, oogly, 4play, etc.) just to catch up. LOL!

[natenator]

****ing geeks lol

[gsxr750]

Wow.. funny running into you again. Don't say it out loud but it's me from Xeno, the guy who won the WCG Canada Korea Qualifier in 2001.. Boo.. :)

I think I remember having people taking pics of me in front of your case mod at the finals at the CNE? :)

[kibrood]

BIG ****ing geeks lol, we look a little different than your stereotypical gaming nerd.

Back to the original topic, just spoke with a friend who competed in the heavies at the nationals, he's running these kits at 8 ius ED and liking the results. He says they're not a strong as some of the name brand GH he's run in the past, but are as good a the good quality Chinese generic that's floating around (which most suspect is what these are).

[gsxr750]

It was me and t3st in the finals, after I beat Ni3

[JonnyO]

I just banged 15iu's.

[Flex15]

I just banged 15iu's.
bahaha that's awesome i like your style

[pseclint]

I just banged 15iu's.

I just banged 15yrold's

[JonnyO]

I just banged 15yrold's

YOU SICK ****

[pseclint]

YOU SICK ****

im 16 so its cool

[gsxr750]

Good save

[JonnyO]

Lmao

[Praetorian]

Whether they're 191aa or 192aa your body will adapt to them and build a tolerance at about the same rate.. Doesn't matter what sequence you use either way.

Your body does not adapt to GH period. Your body produces 191 aa gh naturally and will see 192 aa gh as a foreign substance. Thus it will produce antibodies at a rate of 40% to try to eliminate the 192 gh. 191 gh is identical DNA wise to endogenous gh. The level of antibody production in 191 gh as illustrated by Eli Lilly is less then 2%.
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[Praetorian]

i think people are mixing up the 240iu kits with these 150 iu kits.

There are 3 gusy in my gym, that use this stuff and the results so far are quite noticable. so even if the above is true, it doesnt explain the results i have seen with my own eyes. and all of them are running it alone.

The 240iu kits were complete garbage. The 150 iu kits look identical in structure as well when you look at the actual powder. Funny how when they couldnt pawn off anymore 240iu kits all of a suddent there were 150iu kits available. As well i was offered them at $200 a kit and as much as i want. When i hear this a red light goes off immediately. The powder is not lypholized and sits loosely at the bottom of the vial like sugar. I also dont take anecdotal evidence as fact...sorry but i heard aot of shit form guys about the first 240iu kits and how great they were...meanwhile they were shit.
I would stick to known brands that are proven ie somatrophins, good blue tops, serostim (pharm only) hardcore etc
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[physique]

The 240iu kits were complete garbage. The 150 iu kits look identical in structure as well when you look at the actual powder. Funny how when they couldnt pawn off anymore 240iu kits all of a suddent there were 150iu kits available. As well i was offered them at $200 a kit and as much as i want. When i hear this a red light goes off immediately. The powder is not lypholized and sits loosely at the bottom of the vial like sugar. I also dont take anecdotal evidence as fact...sorry but i heard aot of shit form guys about the first 240iu kits and how great they were...meanwhile they were shit.
I would stick to known brands that are proven ie somatrophins, good blue tops, serostim (pharm only) hardcore etc
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used missed jins, unless that isnt reputable to you?

[Praetorian]

used missed jins, unless that isnt reputable to you?

Jins are fine as long as they are the new ones (which i havent seen in Canada yet by the way) . Not yellow tops or old packaging. Gensci has completely revamped the packaging etc so if you are offered yellow tops in the old packaging they are either fake or very very old and probably very low potency.
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[JonnyO]

how about greens top Jins? Do the new kits not come with water?

[tony_canuck]

Jins are fine as long as they are the new ones (which i havent seen in Canada yet by the way) . Not yellow tops or old packaging. Gensci has completely revamped the packaging etc so if you are offered yellow tops in the old packaging they are either fake or very very old and probably very low potency.
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any pics of the new ones?? I have ones that are supposedly new, yellow tops with a vial of water each. you're saying they're the old ones re-sold as new?

[Praetorian]

any pics of the new ones?? I have ones that are supposedly new, yellow tops with a vial of water each. you're saying they're the old ones re-sold as new?

The new packaging.
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[tiramisu]

or you could just send it to me .... for testing.

[BIGDADDY69]

it's probably dextrose and not GH...LOL

[Andre]

Any more feedback on the 150IU kits?

[shithead]

They are real, maybe 192 but real gh for sure. Thats the honest truth.

[srt8]

The new packaging.
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I have the old style jintrophin i just got in mail, expiry is in 2010... I think GenSci is definately still operating under the radar. The fibers in the seal are intact, and the info from 315net comes up as it should.

[tony_canuck]

I have the old style jintrophin i just got in mail, expiry is in 2010... I think GenSci is definately still operating under the radar. The fibers in the seal are intact, and the info from 315net comes up as it should.



yea me too. that's why i was curious. i haven't used it yet though, i'll post up if they don't work as well as before

[#8]

anyone have any recent experience with the 150iu kits?

[blp]

if it loose powder it's ghrp6, if it cake press it' generic

[Mr Ontario]

Can't see this thread staying much longer. #8 you should know better from bumping such an old thread.

[#8]

This thread isnt THAT old. I dont see how it breaks rules. If it does, then my bad.

[Mr Ontario]

2009? Pretty sure the rules have changed since then on talk of any of such products in the open and are closed/deleted as they come up.


This thread isnt THAT old. I dont see how it breaks rules. If it does, then my bad.

[#8]

so nobody is allowed to talk about chinese GH?

[BAM]

The GH scene seems too complicated to me to participate in. I think I will stick to test for now.

[Not2Big]

The 150 Saizens are definitely real gh. The reason being is that I'm a bit a gh test case as I get sides from even as low as 2 iu per day (water retention, carpal, tingling sensation in toes, fingers). Pretty much get them all right off the bat with the 150's. Whether they're actually 15 iu per vial remains to be seen. I would surmise that it's coming in from China in raw form and then repackaged. Definitely NOT legitimate Saizen manufacturing. How some guys would even think that 150 iu's of pharm grade gh would cost the price that these run for is just a lack of brilliance. I've run pharm gh (Serostim with sticker on it from the pharmacy still) and haven't noticed a tremendous difference between the two (aside from price obviously)

[Mr Ontario]

The 150 Saizens are defiantly real GH? The ones that were so widely faked?


The 150 Saizens are definitely real gh. The reason being is that I'm a bit a gh test case as I get sides from even as low as 2 iu per day (water retention, carpal, tingling sensation in toes, fingers). Pretty much get them all right off the bat with the 150's. Whether they're actually 15 iu per vial remains to be seen. I would surmise that it's coming in from China in raw form and then repackaged. Definitely NOT legitimate Saizen manufacturing. How some guys would even think that 150 iu's of pharm grade gh would cost the price that these run for is just a lack of brilliance. I've run pharm gh (Serostim with sticker on it from the pharmacy still) and haven't noticed a tremendous difference between the two (aside from price obviously)

[Praetorian]

They are garbage pure and simple...guys seem to love wasting money...go nuts.
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[mrOxy]

lol i came accross the same exactfake boxes of saizen kits .. they are absolute bs .. its actully the lowest grade of ghrp 6 being passed off as gh .. the powder is all broken in the vial and yea its just crapp... i still have a box sittin in my fridge not wanting 2even use it ... dam bootleggers lol im glad i got em as free samples anyways