Subcutaneously administered steroids

[Kronis]

I think I'll try sub-q for my ED prop injects next cycle.

[kloan]

ouch. really? wouldn't that be painful? (more-so than normal)

[waderow]

I have found that the lower the BF, the better it absorbs. I was ripped when I first began to experiment, and all was good.

Not been training for a little bit this summer, and lost some abs, so when I got back on it again a week ago or so, I noticed the gear made welts. I am going to get back down to 10%-12% and then start again.

[bongd]

Fack I was pinning sub-q and pulled it out a bit and got some oil into my fat. Stung like a biaaatttch. Test prop, tren ace and masteron!!! Pinned another half ml later and it went great, but both sites are pretty damn swollen.

Sticking to IM. I've tried sub-q in the past and I was undecided. I feel too twitchy having oils in my stomach. Much rather pin IM.

[cog]

Just tried this,.35ml test e each side at the beltline.One side slightly sore,the other side nothing at all 24 hrs later.Slin pin.

[waderow]

Just tried this,.35ml test e each side at the beltline.One side slightly sore,the other side nothing at all 24 hrs later.Slin pin.

I liked the beltline and hip are too.

[Retics]

Wow this is a great post, I was always worried about infection,, and after I had one in my right glut an was swollen an inch thicker then the other one I have been kind of worried about it again since,, it wasnt fun an for 9 days it was so bad I could barely sit.
Funny question,, spot injections now in the ab area,, is that going to start making your abs bigger now? also can you do this with HCG as well?
I have a bit of belly fat so going to try this around the outer belt line at hip area, I have sust , TNT 400 and Deca 300, Thinking of shooting .5cc every day switching bottles every day till I reach my 950 mg a week. Great info guys and thx for the thread Waderow.

[waderow]

Wow this is a great post, I was always worried about infection,, and after I had one in my right glut an was swollen an inch thicker then the other one I have been kind of worried about it again since,, it wasnt fun an for 9 days it was so bad I could barely sit.
Funny question,, spot injections now in the ab area,, is that going to start making your abs bigger now? also can you do this with HCG as well?
I have a bit of belly fat so going to try this around the outer belt line at hip area, I have sust , TNT 400 and Deca 300, Thinking of shooting .5cc every day switching bottles every day till I reach my 950 mg a week. Great info guys and thx for the thread Waderow.

IMO that may be too much to go full time sub q. Plus the trenbolone and nandrolone will give you some difficult sides to deal with.

I would shoot the nicest stuff IM, and supplement for volume reduction some sub q in the belt line, hip are, and belly. ANd yes, HCG can be taken this way. Anything can be taken this way

[wildflower]

Hi

I've started to inject Test Suspension sub-q. It is water based

Someone told me - "you idiot! you're only meant to sub-q oil based injections! and longer ester ones! Not suspension! You idiot!"

Is this right?

Thanks!

[waderow]

Hi

I've started to inject Test Suspension sub-q. It is water based

Someone told me - "you idiot! you're only meant to sub-q oil based injections! and longer ester ones! Not suspension! You idiot!"

Is this right?

Thanks!

jab whatever you want. pain might be more.... is it bearable? then do it.

[wildflower]

interesting. Ok, i've got a thread up at t-nation, i'll just repeat what i said there here:

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Hi guise!

So i finally did it. Received my bottle of test suspension on Thursday and couldn't wait to inject myself and did it and have been doing it 2 x a day since.

This is my first ever cycle on everything ever and the first time i started injecting myself. It was mildly arousing sticking needles in myself and hope to continue this for some time to come.

I'm doing a 2week on/off cycle together with a pretty loaded training programme. Anyway.

This ain't doing jack shit.

FYI, my cycle is:

25mg Test suspension -2xED
50mg Anavar - ED
250mg HCG - EOD
0.25mg Arimidex - EOD

So i have no idea what i'm MEANT to feel or what it's MEANT to do to my body. And i know its only been four days, and maybe too soon to judge, but WTF? I don't feel ANYTHING.

I've been training evey day, and only ****ed the girlfriend once on Saturday night - and i also have an assortment of other dopaminergics and prolactin inhibitors and other drugs in my body. That's just an FYI

People told me test suspension you're meant to "feel" within an hour or two - or almost instantaneous.

So where is the added libido? Not feeling ANYTHING in this department. Where is the agression? I had a sparring session on Monday, two conditioining workouts and 2 strength sessions on the weekend, and went for my hill running session this morning post injection - hasn't made ANY difference to my agression or performance.

Nor do i feel more alert/driven or any other of the nice stuff i heard its meant to do. If anythign, i'm feeling more melancholic, as i normally do this time of year.

Most importantly - why is my dick not constantly hard??

So yeah, i only ask, cos i don't know what to expect. And i was told suspension was the most potent form of the drug and i should feel it instantly, and i've been injecting 2 times a day fastiduously.

Oh, i'm injecting subcutaneously as i read this was a viable method of injecting on some website.com.

Anyone tell me what is going on here???

Thanks!

[waderow]

personally, I think you are not needing HCG and the arimidex yet. The arimidex might be killing your libido too. As well as the Var.

So you have been pinning for a few days nowÉ

[wildflower]

yeah, i've been pinning for the 5 day. 25mg suspension two-times a day.

I've decided to drop the arimidex thinking it might be the culprit of low-libido. But then, should i "feel" a sudden buzz of agression or whatever else test is meant to do? Cos i feel nuffink.

Also - you think var could be putting a lid on the libido instantaneously when taken with the test? It's only been 5 days....

You don't agree with the guy that said to me - sub-q is only for oil based and never for suspension?

also - have you done test sus sub-q? How soon do you "feel" the effects - and what are these effects you are feeling?

I'm using Denkall Aquatest i got from airsealed marketing - people have assured me of its reliability. Don't get it. :-/

[PdH]

Good susp should make you like an angry ape in heat within 4 or 5 days.

[waderow]

yeah, i've been pinning for the 5 day. 25mg suspension two-times a day.

I've decided to drop the arimidex thinking it might be the culprit of low-libido. But then, should i "feel" a sudden buzz of agression or whatever else test is meant to do? Cos i feel nuffink.

Also - you think var could be putting a lid on the libido instantaneously when taken with the test? It's only been 5 days....

You don't agree with the guy that said to me - sub-q is only for oil based and never for suspension?

also - have you done test sus sub-q? How soon do you "feel" the effects - and what are these effects you are feeling?

I'm using Denkall Aquatest i got from airsealed marketing - people have assured me of its reliability. Don't get it. :-/

couldnt tell you. test susp isnt a miracle drug... you will not turn into the hulk....

People have done sub-q with winny, test susp, and all kinds of oils. It goes into your system, and that fact is undeniable. It may get absorbed slower however, and with susp, I would maybe try upping the dose to 2@50mg

Or, try a IM jab and compare

[wildflower]

Good susp should make you like an angry ape in heat within 4 or 5 days.

ah, is that how long it takes? 4-5 days?

I'm on day 5 and nothing... shall i wait a full week before giving up and switchin to IM?

I was thinking of trying IM tonight to see if it makes a difference...

[wildflower]

couldnt tell you. test susp isnt a miracle drug... you will not turn into the hulk....

People have done sub-q with winny, test susp, and all kinds of oils. It goes into your system, and that fact is undeniable. It may get absorbed slower however, and with susp, I would maybe try upping the dose to 2@50mg

Or, try a IM jab and compare


yeah ok. Was just wondering if people had done water based test susp this way, and whether it does work as well.

I did do 25mg followed by a 50mg evening shot on Saturday (day 3) in the hopes it would help me **** the living shit out of my girlfriend in the evening - didn't really make any difference. Heh.

I only have 1/2inch slin pins - could i shoot into the delt with that?

[L3]

drop the arimidex, you need estrogen in your body to be "horny"

also, if you start retaining water once you drop the adex, it will be a sign your test suspension is doing its thing

[waderow]

yeah ok. Was just wondering if people had done water based test susp this way, and whether it does work as well.

I did do 25mg followed by a 50mg evening shot on Saturday (day 3) in the hopes it would help me **** the living shit out of my girlfriend in the evening - didn't really make any difference. Heh.

I only have 1/2inch slin pins - could i shoot into the delt with that?

drop the dex
drop the hcg
and at 75mg ed you will start to notice. if not, bunk gear perhaps?

if you really want to try a IM jab, if youre lean enough, you can jab with a slin pin. I would take a quad over a delt though

[PdH]

ah, is that how long it takes? 4-5 days?I'm on day 5 and nothing... shall i wait a full week before giving up and switchin to IM?
I was thinking of trying IM tonight to see if it makes a difference...

All the test susp I've done has been vet grade pinned IM. I felt it within 2 days and it was in full gear within 5. I don't know if pinning sub-q has a delayed effect or not.

[wildflower]

i think i'm going to persevere with the sub-q until Thursday and then switch to IM. Will report if i notice any difference here.

Also - why drop the HCG? I mean, it might be unecessary, but i got loads of the stuff, and i heard if anythign it should help the effects be more pronounced rather than hinder?

[waderow]

i think i'm going to persevere with the sub-q until Thursday and then switch to IM. Will report if i notice any difference here.

Also - why drop the HCG? I mean, it might be unecessary, but i got loads of the stuff, and i heard if anythign it should help the effects be more pronounced rather than hinder?

it might aromatize and cause you to bloat and get bitch tits, as well as desensitize the Leydig cells.

You do not need it yet.

[wildflower]

i'm injecting and drawing the stuff using a 29g slin pin.

It's denkall test. Someone told me it is IMPOSSIBLE to draw using a slin and i'm more than likely injecting water.

I'm not sure i agree with this. It had been clogging until i started heating the test in boiled water for several minutes, then drawing and it draws fine. Also the liquid in the needle turns opaque white veryh quicly and will still clog if i don't inject it straight away. This leads me to believe that it is being drawn as it should.

Any thoughts on THAT?

[waderow]

i'm injecting and drawing the stuff using a 29g slin pin.

It's denkall test. Someone told me it is IMPOSSIBLE to draw using a slin and i'm more than likely injecting water.

I'm not sure i agree with this. It had been clogging until i started heating the test in boiled water for several minutes, then drawing and it draws fine. Also the liquid in the needle turns opaque white veryh quicly and will still clog if i don't inject it straight away. This leads me to believe that it is being drawn as it should.

Any thoughts on THAT?

if it draws, you are drawing test. if it clogged, and would not permit you to draw, it would be too small (which it is not).

[wildflower]

Thought I'd keep shooting sub-q for the full week and then start IM this morning. Just so it'd be easier to compare and whatnot.

Anyway, shot, my right delt with 25mg this morning and damn, I notice the difference! Don't wanna pepper this post with too much hyperbole. But mood is SIGNIFICANTLY up. I feel energised even though I didn't get the best night's sleep last night. Most of all, my dick is pumped full of blood and Iâ??m staring at lisa from marketing with her long blonde hair sat there at her computer I just wanna slide my tongue up in her ass get it all nice and wet before sliding my dick in and filling it with my steamy slimey cum. Mmmmmmm

Woah.

Why the **** was I doing this sub-q anyway? Oh I know, its because I was scared that injecting it into muscle would mean that that muscle would be out of operation and I wouldn't be able to train with it, especially when I'm fighting and doing Muay Thai drills. But wtf?? having endured belly shots all week, injecting it into my delt was PAINLESS. I'm not even kidding. Also, my shoulder feels FINE.

Obviously I'll have to wait till my sparring session this afternoon to see whether its still fully functional, but 2 hours since my shot and there is no incapacitation of the muscle whatsoever. All I got shooting sub-q is welts and sores all over my tummy.

I will be shooting another 25mg + 50mg var this afternoon and i have an engagement party to get to late this evening, and i look forward to raping the bride to be or one of her bitches. I DON'T GIVE A ****.

Just thought you should know. God I feel good. Who needs coke when you got test?!

[wildflower]

Just to add DON'T DO TEST SUSPENSION SUB-Q

Actually, right now i don't understand why anyone would do IM injections at all.

Can someone explain this to me?

All i got after a week of doing this sub-q is welts and sores all over my abdamon - big lumps, and they're still here.

I've been doing it IM for a week (almost) and its PAINLESS. Don't feel anythign as the needle goes in, and the test goes in smooth, a tiny sting, and after its done its done.

Note, that i'm still using very small amounts - i.e 25mg suspension two times a day. So if you're loading a short acting ester IM with large volume, then maybe the loss of muscle function IS an issue. But with my doseages, it doesn't happen.

This is the best and correct way.

Peace.

[cog]

Sounds like you deposited into the fat.

[wildflower]

yeah, i think a couple of injections (the ones where the welts are still there, esp lower abdomen) hit fat layer.

But then thats just another danger of sub-q. Even though i pinched the skin and THOUGHT i aimed the needle in the right spot, mistakes still happen.

Don't get that with IM :D

[cog]

Yeah,but two smaller ones placed where wade explained beats a big one in the ass.:)

[waderow]

I still like IM, but when volume is getting high, and frequent...I dont mind putting a couple or few cc a week into subq for relief

[wildflower]

I still like IM, but when volume is getting high, and frequent...I dont mind putting a couple or few cc a week into subq for relief


ya i hear ya. also note i've been using test suspension. I think crystals are just too fat for test sus to go sub-q.

[waderow]

I had best success when lean. If ever I injected in fat, I got welts.

You need to get between fat and meat with 1/2cc max

[neutronmtl]

sbq injection i did between may 2009 to july 2009,also that was my trt starting time for first time,for injection and pain wise there were no problem,but my blood test showed high estrogen,but also before i started trt i had high e2 levels any way,so i dont know if it was from sbq injection or my pree2 levels played a role in it,,,,,then i discovered some thing even better,,instead of shooting the hormone sbq i did inject it in to my thigh and deltoid with the same insulin syringe,and blood test showed inprovment in my e2 levels,,in thigh and deltoid muscle are very close if you are not overweight,,so far so good,actually very easy shots,,it is im but with insulin,,in europe lot of doctors telling their patient to do it that way,,thanks

[waderow]

sbq injection i did between may 2009 to july 2009,also that was my trt starting time for first time,for injection and pain wise there were no problem,but my blood test showed high estrogen,but also before i started trt i had high e2 levels any way,so i dont know if it was from sbq injection or my pree2 levels played a role in it,,,,,then i discovered some thing even better,,instead of shooting the hormone sbq i did inject it in to my thigh and deltoid with the same insulin syringe,and blood test showed inprovment in my e2 levels,,in thigh and deltoid muscle are very close if you are not overweight,,so far so good,actually very easy shots,,it is im but with insulin,,in europe lot of doctors telling their patient to do it that way,,thanks

max volume?

[natehayes]

sbq injection i did between may 2009 to july 2009,also that was my trt starting time for first time,for injection and pain wise there were no problem,but my blood test showed high estrogen,but also before i started trt i had high e2 levels any way,so i dont know if it was from sbq injection or my pree2 levels played a role in it,,,,,then i discovered some thing even better,,instead of shooting the hormone sbq i did inject it in to my thigh and deltoid with the same insulin syringe,and blood test showed inprovment in my e2 levels,,in thigh and deltoid muscle are very close if you are not overweight,,so far so good,actually very easy shots,,it is im but with insulin,,in europe lot of doctors telling their patient to do it that way,,thanks

I actually do this too and it works great. I like my delts best. I use an insulin pin and just go straight in until the needle is a bit deeper than flush with the skin. I stick to .5ml (test cyp) or less.

[Memo]

you are telling me I can pin with insulin needed instead of 25? I dont think ugl test oil based will go thru

[waderow]

It will

[natehayes]

It will

Yep, it sure will. I've tried it with both UG and pharma test and both worked fine. If anything the UG was easier because of the EO they use.

[Memo]

Why do most people pin with 22-25 gauge pin?

[waderow]

dont know. most here pin with 25 i think. i like a 22, 23, 25 as well

its fast

[cog]

you are telling me I can pin with insulin needed instead of 25? I dont think ugl test oil based will go thru

Getting it in there with the slin pin is very difficult,you might want to top fill.You will need a good grip on it applying.

[waderow]

^^^ its really not so bad. jab takes 30-40 seconds to draw, and 15 seconds to deposit

[cog]

^^^ its really not so bad. jab takes 30-40 seconds to draw, and 15 seconds to deposit

Even if I warm it up it seems to take forever.

[waderow]

If i recall correct, I used a 29ga

[fourarms]

I actually do this too and it works great. I like my delts best. I use an insulin pin and just go straight in until the needle is a bit deeper than flush with the skin. I stick to .5ml (test cyp) or less.

I tried a delt shot with 1/2" insulin pin 0.5cc. Shot was too shallow and some leaked out, even with Z track.:mad:

[waderow]

personally, I would stick with sub-q

[druss]

2nd cycle all sub-q, and its the way to go.
Everyone i say this to looks at me like im crazy, in 10 years people will say IM is dangerous and crazy.

Sub-q FTW!!!

Thanks waderow

Just one thing though sub-q is not between the fat and muscle as a nurse explained to me, sub-q is in the fat between the muscle and the skin, if you have no fat then its between the muscle and the skin, but you dont have to go under the fat if its there. Whether the substance is oil based or not makes no difference, as there are oil based vaccines that are injected sub-q. For pain the shorter the ester the more painful the injection site(shorter esters are more acidic)

As this pic shows the sub-q layer is the fat under the skin, above the muscle
http://www.fitnessuncovered.co.uk/images/aas-opeds/subq-injection-image.gifhttp://www.brooksidepress.org/SubQ1.jpg

[Odysseus]

On my last cycle I did 400mg of Deca IM per week for 10 weeks. I noticed that it took 3-4 weeks before I started noticing gains. So if SubQ's absorption rate is slower than IM, would I have to wait 6-8 weeks to begin seeing effects if I were to inject subQ? Just curious.

[druss]

not that much slower, when we say slower it just means theres no spike after injection. it seems to take the same amount of time to kick in as IM, even with fast esters like test prop, you feel it about the same time as IM.

[waderow]

not that much slower, when we say slower it just means theres no spike after injection. it seems to take the same amount of time to kick in as IM, even with fast esters like test prop, you feel it about the same time as IM.

peak levels appear slower.... see first post

[bigphucker2003]

I know this thread has not been used since Feb.....but just wondering how everyone made out trying the sub cut route. Any updates????

[bigdaddydrew123]

ive been doing subc injection with deca for about a month,so far its been no problem as far as pain or irritation,since deca takes awhile im still waiting for my opinion, strength is coming, slow and steady and i love the break from im injections.i still do my test shots im

[barrte]

Just wondering how sub q is working, what is the most you can inject at one time!!!!!!!!!!!!

[force]

Just wondering how sub q is working, what is the most you can inject at one time!!!!!!!!!!!!

Umm,dude this thread is almost 3 years old lol

[St]

Great old thread.

[dodo]

lol wow that is a old thread
i remember back in the day a awesome ugl came out with a full line of sub c products i cant remember what he mixed them with to make them work so well but they were the bomb
there m1tplex and equiplex were insane they even made tren and eq suspensions but they didnt last to long as they hurt like hell

[waderow]

Umm,dude this thread is almost 3 years old lol


not bad :)

[RagingRandy]

sub Q and T400 = bad idea

Nothing wrong with an old thread as long as it is provides relevant info.