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z83
13-01-2009, 12:50 PM
Hey,

It's my second cycle. First one was test C 500mg 16weeks (tried 1g for 3weeks). Gains were great. Lab used...average. I've tried d-bol as a kickstart but I got gyno symptoms 3 days in. :(

New cycle : A***S (the only brand i'll use)

1-18w 750mg Test E
1-4w 100mg drol
Aromasin (have to buy), Nolva and CLomid on hand.

stats : 6'1" (or 2"?) 242lbs (BF around 17-18%)

I would really like a good kickstart like drol but it seems i'm gyno prone (with d-bol at least). I need feedback about drol/gyno.

If I skip the drol, i'll probably choose t-bol maybe suspension

Ideas/feedbacks welcome
oharad
13-01-2009, 12:56 PM
if dbol gave you gyno good chance drol will too.

i didnt like tbol but alot of ppl do. so you coudl try that.

personally I'd rather kickstart with test prop
gustavo77
13-01-2009, 01:04 PM
Hey,

It's my second cycle. First one was test C 500mg 16weeks (tried 1g for 3weeks). Gains were great. Lab used...average. I've tried d-bol as a kickstart but I got gyno symptoms 3 days in. :(

New cycle : A***S (the only brand i'll use)

1-18w 750mg Test E
1-4w 100mg drol
Aromasin (have to buy), Nolva and CLomid on hand.

stats : 6'1" (or 2"?) 242lbs (BF around 17-18%)

I would really like a good kickstart like drol but it seems i'm gyno prone (with d-bol at least). I need feedback about drol/gyno.

If I skip the drol, i'll probably choose t-bol maybe suspension

Ideas/feedbacks welcome

Drol dose is too high. 50mg/day should be enough.. If you had gyno symptoms on d-bol then 750mg of test per week may give you issues also. A small dose of adex or aromasin will solve all your estrogen problems..

Funny how you say you got great gains off your first cycle but the lab you used was average?? How would you even know what good test felt like if this was your first cycle??... not trying to flame but it does sound awfully funny.
z83
13-01-2009, 01:33 PM
Drol dose is too high. 50mg/day should be enough.. If you had gyno symptoms on d-bol then 750mg of test per week may give you issues also. A small dose of adex or aromasin will solve all your estrogen problems..

Funny how you say you got great gains off your first cycle but the lab you used was average?? How would you even know what good test felt like if this was your first cycle??... not trying to flame but it does sound awfully funny.

I had 3 brands. bunk SA t400, LTL test E and the rest of the cycle was empire Test C. You now know whats average...

I've ran from 500mg to lillte over 1g of each. You already know about the bunk T400. I was really pissed and the cycle wasn't as planned.
gustavo77
13-01-2009, 01:38 PM
I had 3 brands. bunk SA t400, LTL test E and the rest of the cycle was empire Test C. You now know whats average...

I've ran from 500mg to lillte over 1g of each. You already know about the bunk T400. I was really pissed and the cycle wasn't as planned.

Well at least you got good gains...
waderow
13-01-2009, 01:49 PM
bunk SA t400? 1st I have ever heard of bunk SA. Infact, I am somewhat impressed with SA
z83
13-01-2009, 01:54 PM
bunk SA t400? 1st I have ever heard of bunk SA. Infact, I am somewhat impressed with SA

I'm not alone. But it's already discussed and over. I don't want lab bashing.
Drummer
13-01-2009, 02:40 PM
Hey,

It's my second cycle. First one was test C 500mg 16weeks (tried 1g for 3weeks). Gains were great. Lab used...average. I've tried d-bol as a kickstart but I got gyno symptoms 3 days in. :(

New cycle : A***S (the only brand i'll use)

1-18w 750mg Test E
1-4w 100mg drol
Aromasin (have to buy), Nolva and CLomid on hand.

stats : 6'1" (or 2"?) 242lbs (BF around 17-18%)

I would really like a good kickstart like drol but it seems i'm gyno prone (with d-bol at least). I need feedback about drol/gyno.

If I skip the drol, i'll probably choose t-bol maybe suspension

Ideas/feedbacks welcome

Looks like a good cycle, and good choice to stay away from dbol cause of your gyno. Drol can do it too, it aromatizes, id stick with your choices. Just in case tho have a little adex on hand to take during the cycle... at 1mg a day it wont hinder your gains too much, and will keep that estrogen down helping your gyno (IF you need to use it). IMHO anyway.

~DB~
Drummer
13-01-2009, 02:42 PM
I'm not alone. But it's already discussed and over. I don't want lab bashing.

apparently it was only a bad batch and not the usual from SA.

~DB~
z83
13-01-2009, 02:52 PM
Looks like a good cycle, and good choice to stay away from dbol cause of your gyno. Drol can do it too, it aromatizes, id stick with your choices. Just in case tho have a little adex on hand to take during the cycle... at 1mg a day it wont hinder your gains too much, and will keep that estrogen down helping your gyno (IF you need to use it). IMHO anyway.

~DB~

thanks for the reply. I thought dbol aromatize differently then drol. I had gyno symptoms from dbol, not gyno.

I'll choose t-bol instead.

Isn't aromasin similar to adex ? (even better on lipids)
z83
13-01-2009, 02:53 PM
apparently it was only a bad batch and not the usual from SA.

~DB~

yep, not from SA directly...

by the way, excuse my poor english
z83
14-01-2009, 11:57 AM
bump

need more inputs about gyno/drol

i'm still not decided

what do you think, aromasin is enough ? Progesterone related gyno ? (caber) ?
z83
11-02-2009, 10:19 AM
cycle started monday.

test e + drol

I've been told to wait sides before using an AI ?

I have adex and nolva on hand, opinions ?

I'm SCARED of gyno :p
z83
11-02-2009, 07:39 PM
bump, input needed :help
natenator
11-02-2009, 08:33 PM
how much of each?

for me personally, I say run the Adex. Use .5mg/ED. It'll help with water and keep estrogen related gyno at bay. At .5 it won't hinder gains that much.

to each their own though.
z83
11-02-2009, 11:19 PM
how much of each?

for me personally, I say run the Adex. Use .5mg/ED. It'll help with water and keep estrogen related gyno at bay. At .5 it won't hinder gains that much.

to each their own though.

Test E 750mg
Drol currently 50mg (planned 100mg) I think i'll stay at 50mg...I already experience headache
I only have 1mg caps, 1 cap E3D ?

Can drol give gyno ? Isn't it progesterone ?

I had trouble with dbol in a matter of days :(
z83
13-02-2009, 12:31 PM
gyno symptoms already :(
natenator
13-02-2009, 12:49 PM
ok test dose is semi high.. use armidex at 1mg/ED
z83
13-02-2009, 01:38 PM
started monday, this cannot be the test
theboss
13-02-2009, 01:46 PM
i didnt care for drol...or tbol......dbol is my friend...
and if you started monday i doubt you are getting gyno from test..unless you are super sensitive......
Big D
13-02-2009, 01:48 PM
just drop the drol, that shit will give your more problems then benefits
z83
13-02-2009, 02:33 PM
I think that's what i'll do. Run nolva and adex
Big D
13-02-2009, 02:51 PM
ya man just wait for the test to kick in,,, are you gonna run the nolva and adex throughout the whole cycle?
z83
13-02-2009, 03:12 PM
ya man just wait for the test to kick in,,, are you gonna run the nolva and adex throughout the whole cycle?

until gyno symptoms stop, i'll run nolva.
test only will be 1mg adex e3d

same thing happened with dbol last cycle :mad:
I thought drol didn't aromatise

maybe i'm paranoid
z83
17-02-2009, 10:54 PM
well, this time nolva won't fix everything. Some lump appeared and won't dissapear (Is it too early, nolva isn't "working" yet ?) :(

I guess i'll try letro (anyone had great succes with this drug ?)

5* Is some potent gears