This guy is soo stupid

[varking]

come on this guy is saying he wants testing in bodybuilding and say hes not on the juice check out the link..

http://www.videojug.com/interview/bodybuilding-for-a-gladiator-2

[Seth]

I don't get his point? We should drug test everyone so we have competitors who look like Arnie and Zane? And those two didn't use any steroids... right

[tex]

he's an idiot.....i hope he gets hit by the karma truck

[waderow]

turned it off after he quoted Freud and then stated Arnie was natty

[icey_boi]

^^ he didnt actualy say he was natty. just that he had a good build.he was deffo implying it tho

[O-Train]

I don't think he ever really said that Arnold was natural. He implied it, but I think what he was getting at was the physiques of guys in the 50,60's were more asthetically appealing.

I only say the guys arms and he mentioned he was 6'3 260lbs. I think he meant right then, not contest ready. Why couldn't he be drug free? Even with strict testing and everybody natural you would have guys a lot bigger than Zane.

[nisser]

Even with strict testing and everybody natural you would have guys a lot bigger than Zane.

I don't see it possible.

[AlladdinSane]

I don't see it possible.

I think (hope) I'm misunderstanding this. Are you saying that Zane's size is the pinnacle of what a natural BB could hope to achieve?

[Seth]

I think (hope) I'm misunderstanding this. Are you saying that Zane's size is the pinnacle of what a natural BB could hope to achieve?

Not necessarily. The guys can pin everything they want, as long as they show up clean at the test. So if they stick with short esters and stop 3 weeks short of the show, we'd still get freaks, just not as freakish

[O-Train]

Not necessarily. The guys can pin everything they want, as long as they show up clean at the test. So if they stick with short esters and stop 3 weeks short of the show, we'd still get freaks, just not as freakish

What does that have to do with anything? Cheating drug tests isn't exactly natural bodybuilding.

[Seth]

I thought you guys were talking about natural competitions, and not natural bodybuilding, which are obviously very different

[O-Train]

I thought you guys were talking about natural competitions, and not natural bodybuilding, which are obviously very different

Well, hopefully they are the same, but yeah you're right, sometimes can be diferent.

I think what AlladinSane was getting at is that natural guys can get pretty big. For example, his buddy ShortDave. He doesn't even train for bodybuilding but if you consider height, is probably more muscular than Zane. I want to be bigger than Arnold, not as tall and not the same arms, but again taking height into consideration, more muscular. You can get big w/o drugs. It just takes longer and you can't be lacking in anything: diet,training,recovery etc...because there are no extra hormones to compensate.

[Seth]

In my experience, the hardest part of natural bbing is cutting. Yes you can become pretty big, but once you try to cut, you lose so much muscle. I might be wrong though, that's just a conclusion from observations on myself and my friends.

[O-Train]

In my experience, the hardest part of natural bbing is cutting. Yes you can become pretty big, but once you try to cut, you lose so much muscle. I might be wrong though, that's just a conclusion from observations on myself and my friends.

Yeah, I'd have to agree. Cutting weight and keeping muscle is quite hard.

[Ritch]

Not to be a parrot, but I also find it hard to get really lean without loosing muslce. And there are natural bodybuilders more impressive than Frank Zane. Skip Lacour is one of them.

[Descimus]

dont want to start anything or stir any shit but i dont think any of the natural top 3 of the last decade are all natty whatever the **** they say then again you do what you have to do to get where you want to be. I am tired dont read my post lol.. Just posting this is retarded lol ok gnight guy

[varking]

dont want to start anything or stir any shit but i dont think any of the natural top 3 of the last decade are all natty whatever the **** they say then again you do what you have to do to get where you want to be. I am tired dont read my post lol.. Just posting this is retarded lol ok gnight guy

I feel the same way

[NorthOf60]

Lol.. Ya, Skip is natural. For sure.

I don't give a shit how many drug tests he's passed - The fact is he's the golden boy of natural bodybuilding and there is no chance in hell that his sponsors are going to allow him to fail any drug test. Bodybuilding, along side every other sport, is corrupted by politics and money.

True Dat... Why do they even care that people use roids. I say make them legal for all sports. Within 50 years we will have gene doping and altering, what will they do then.

[Ritch]

I know people can doubt Skip being natural, but he has a brother who dosen`t even train, and is damn near the same size as him.

[nisser]

I think (hope) I'm misunderstanding this. Are you saying that Zane's size is the pinnacle of what a natural BB could hope to achieve?

Not exactly but the notion that you'd get a ton of guys "a lot bigger than Zane" is really silly. We've all been around the block for a while and should know what is and isn't possible.

And I'd put another vote that none of the top "natural" bbdelrs are actually natty. I just don't think it's possible to be in top shape naturally for extended periods of time. People take vacations, breaks, shit comes up in life and don't have time to deal with a perfect diet regimen and these set backs cost someone who is natty dearly. You could potentially undo a year's work in 2-4 weeks of shitty lifestyle.

That's one of the best things I love about anabolics. While I don't compete it gives me that buffer to enjoy my life and not be gungho about the gym 365days a year.

[O-Train]

Not exactly but the notion that you'd get a ton of guys "a lot bigger than Zane" is really silly. We've all been around the block for a while and should know what is and isn't possible.

And I'd put another vote that none of the top "natural" bbdelrs are actually natty. I just don't think it's possible to be in top shape naturally for extended periods of time. People take vacations, breaks, shit comes up in life and don't have time to deal with a perfect diet regimen and these set backs cost someone who is natty dearly. You could potentially undo a year's work in 2-4 weeks of shitty lifestyle.

That's one of the best things I love about anabolics. While I don't compete it gives me that buffer to enjoy my life and not be gungho about the gym 365days a year.

I agree, some of the top guys look like they either are or were on in the past. Although you gotta realize Zane wasn't that big. Are you saying, you've been around the block and I havn't so that makes my opinion silly? I bet you look just like you type...

[waderow]

its silly to think the top natty bb's are natty

its silly to think that you can be anything more then in great shape being natty.
you can be athletic, muscular, and fit, but never HUGE. what we deem huge anyways.

yeah, a natty 6'0 220 pound guy in great shape, no prob. 250? no way

[nisser]

I agree, some of the top guys look like they either are or were on in the past. Although you gotta realize Zane wasn't that big. Are you saying, you've been around the block and I havn't so that makes my opinion silly? I bet you look just like you type...

I never said that. You're just fishing for something to get offended by so I'll stop responding.

[O-Train]

I never said that. You're just fishing for something to get offended by so I'll stop responding.

If I wanted to offend you that wouldn't be a problem. It just bugs me when guys think they know something when they don't have a clue. The fact is in the next 5 years even I'll be walking around A LOT bigger than Zane, and you...and probably more than a few guys who take AAS on a regular basis. And I don't care if you think it's possible or not. Steroids don't equal big and natural doesn't equal small.

[AlladdinSane]

its silly to think the top natty bb's are natty

its silly to think that you can be anything more then in great shape being natty.
you can be athletic, muscular, and fit, but never HUGE. what we deem huge anyways.

yeah, a natty 6'0 220 pound guy in great shape, no prob. 250? no way

Not true.

A pal of mine is a perfect example of hard work and good genetics: 5'11" @ 270ish, visible abs, veins all over, never touched a drug.

[AlladdinSane]

Steroids don't equal big and natural doesn't equal small.

I'll agree with this 100%, but OH, man, let's not lose our cool, dude.

[O-Train]

I'll agree with this 100%, but OH, man, let's not lose our cool, dude.

I'm not upset about this. The gym was closed today and it wasn't supposed to be, that made me upset. You're right though, I get too worked up over little things.

[spankmonkey]

Not true.

A pal of mine is a perfect example of hard work and good genetics: 5'11" @ 270ish, visible abs, veins all over, never touched a drug.

Have know quite a few people who were natty and acheived great physiques that would cahllange any ASS user. ASS alone are not a guarantee of anything, without the ahrd work and dedication, the same two elements which will solidify the success of someone who is natty.


I'll agree with this 100%, but OH, man, let's not lose our cool, dude.
Agreed=)

For the record Herns is a fudge packing philosopher who personifies the male body sculpting model. Not that there is anything wrong with being a philosopher.

[O-Train]

Have know quite a few people who were natty and acheived great physiques that would cahllange any ASS user. ASS alone are not a guarantee of anything, without the ahrd work and dedication, the same two elements which will solidify the success of someone who is natty.

Just so no one chirps you later. It's AAS. Stands for Anabolic/Androgenic Steroids. Although I like the ASS acronymn more, maybe we could figure out something that fits it also.

[spankmonkey]

Ha!
At work, half paying attention to someone chrpin in my ear and using my blistering three fingrer type skills. Happy New year has started early:beer