Strength cycle help!

[macman1234]

hey doing BJJ and MMA for a while looking to do a good strength cycle was wondering about prop tren and winny orals. any advice would good.

[Mister T 72]

weeks 1-7 tren a 100mg eod
weeks 1-8 prop 150 mg eod
weeks 5-8 winni 50 mg ed

[The Terminator]

weeks 1-7 tren a 100mg eod
weeks 1-8 prop 150 mg eod
weeks 5-8 winni 50 mg ed

If you choose this cycle keep the androgen levels even and shoot ED, not EOD.

Matt

[Rhinobolt10]

don't use tren dude, trust me your lungs will thank me.
Equipose is good as it's good for endurance, test is always essential. I don't think you have to go right into short esters or anything, bloating is very very dependant on diet. But if you want short esters thats fine too.
A lot of powerlifters like to run test and Masteron E, and then switch to tren 3-4 weeks out from a meet.
I'd say go with the test and EQ. If you're worried about weight gain, just keep the doses somewhat low. I think Ideally you'd want to run enough to preserve LBM. If you want to move up a weight class... then do whatever. But stay away from tren, it's horrible is you need cardio, at least for me.

[The Terminator]

LOL, tren treats different people, well...differently. If he's used it before, he knows the effects. If not, then he needs to find out for himself if he decides.

For me, Tren was AWESOME. I was doing 90 minutes of cardio a day for the 6 weeks I used it this summer at doses of 315 to 420 mg/week.

Matt

[tex]

good strength cycle would be testp, tren and drol.....or halo instead of drol.....

[gustavo77]

Not sure of your cycle experience but if are a novice then there is no real need for tren. Eq is a poor choice if you are going to be competing in tested events. Lately i am starting to believe that the most simple cycles work the best...check this out for strength:

1-7/8 75-100mg of test susp or prop ed
1-6 50mg of drol or d-bol ed

Keep it simple with the gear and let your diet and training be the focus.

[kyle]

Test gain me the best strength gains even more so then tren. With tren I just lost fat very fast and became more ripped. Test by itself would be a good first choice. Try prop if your concern about bloating. Or use and anti e

[tex]

hmm.....instead of the tren and drol....get yourself some cheque drops....you will be killin niggas in the ring before you know it......

[BIGDADDY69]

skip tren or Anavar in MMA you don't want your muscles to be all hard, you wanna move,
Winny, EQ, Anadrol 50 will give u the raw power to mess shit up...that is what my MMA clients are using and they are doing great

[Redz]

Winny can be tough on joints so that may not be great for you. Also tren can kill cardio for some though I have had no decrease in cardiovascular abilities so far 5 weeks into a tren cycle but everyone is different. Test only is a good palce to start stick to shrot esters if testing is a possibility.

[muscleshark]

Dude, gear and MMA and/or BJJ do not mix at all. You will gas out in a matter of minutes no matter what your on. Winny is just joint suicide specially since you are training in joint manipulation. BJJ isnt about strength at all, its about technique, and once you learn that, you will see no need for juice.

[BIGDADDY69]

LOL are you confused yet bro...now you'll get everyone's "OPINION"...

btw do u know how many MMA and BJJ are juicin...lol

good luck

[mcgee]

Dude, gear and MMA and/or BJJ do not mix at all. You will gas out in a matter of minutes no matter what your on. Winny is just joint suicide specially since you are training in joint manipulation. BJJ isnt about strength at all, its about technique, and once you learn that, you will see no need for juice.

What about the athlete using steroids to increase strength so the can strike harder and toss his apponent around easier. Just a thought, but maybe I am wrong

:)

[muscleshark]

What about the athlete using steroids to increase strength so the can strike harder and toss his apponent around easier. Just a thought, but maybe I am wrong

:)

Sure, I trained while on gear and I was tossing my opponent around a little easier and punching a hell of alot harder, but I was also gassing out in half the time. You can get away with a bar fight, but you want to chance it out int he ring against a rank fighter, then you are gambling with a blind hand. You can possibly run mild compounds like Var or primo or something like that, that doesn't increase your BP, and it might help a bit, but believe me, you want to be in the healthiest shape possible, with nothing hindering your cardio performance when you are in the ring. When that bell goes, your anxiety and adrenaline take off into the stratosphere, and you are in a whole different level, and you have to try to maintain focus so you can fight out your gameplan, without turning it into a flailing streetfight and make mistakes that your opponent will capitlize on. Sure you can train on gear, but you fight in the ring on gear you are just cutting your chances in half.

[L3]

150mgs halosten before a fight should do it

[tex]

^^ i like the way you think.....150mg halo + cheque drops = lots o hurtin

[spiderman7]

Testosterone and steroids should be used primarily for recovery reasons in your sport. That means 150 of test alone would be ideal.
150 of test per week would give you a T of at least 1200ng/dl and that is above high normal for a young male.

Any water weight is not good...it reduces your VO2 max and you also have more poundage to carry around in an MMA fight and that too will make you slower over the rounds.

Ephedrine is a great stimulant for MMA and it also helps open up the lungs. It seems to "go well" with a high crit.

Your best PED for MMA is going to be epo...BY FAR.

Second best is a cortico steroid like dexamethasone, Kenacort etc taken about 72 hours before a fight.
ie: Kenacort 40mg or dexamethazone 6mg

Third best is ephedrine at 50mg 30minutes before a fight.

Cheque drops can make some guys pretty aggressive...200-400micrograms under the tongue 10minutes before a fight.

If you are wanting to be very strong physically and perhaps have an "edge" aggressively and want to do more gear then this is max in my books
Test 200
EQ 250
Masteron 300 week
You must take .5mg of arimidex a day so you gain very little water weight.

Good luck.

[spiderman7]

Testosterone and steroids should be used primarily for recovery reasons in your sport. That means 150 of test alone would be ideal.
150 of test per week would give you a T of at least 1200ng/dl and that is above high normal for a young male.

Any water weight is not good...it reduces your VO2 max and you also have more poundage to carry around in an MMA fight and that too will make you slower over the rounds.

Ephedrine is a great stimulant for MMA and it also helps open up the lungs. It seems to "go well" with a high crit.

Your best PED for MMA is going to be epo...BY FAR.

Second best is a cortico steroid like dexamethasone, Kenacort etc taken about 72 hours before a fight.
ie: Kenacort 40mg or dexamethazone 6mg

Third best is ephedrine at 50mg 30minutes before a fight.

Cheque drops can make some guys pretty aggressive...200-400micrograms under the tongue 10minutes before a fight.

If you are wanting to be very strong physically and perhaps have an "edge" aggressively and want to do more gear then this is max in my books
Test 200
EQ 250
Masteron 300 week
You must take .5mg of arimidex a day so you gain very little water weight.

Good luck.

[RagingRandy]

Does Var have an impact on cardio? My understanding was this was the chemical of choice for MMA types.

[big_luse]

AAS goes hand in hand with combat sports - but its application is different than bodybuilders. The rule of thumb ive heard tossed around for fight sports athlete is regardless of gear combinations avoid going above 600mgs a week total ... then the excess muscle will begin to hinder you with respect to cardio, flexibility, and weight cutting etc.

Things like Eq, masteron, GH, var, halo, test prop, IGF1 etc tend to be the favorites.

Decas great - but if your getting tested it sticks around forever. Winstrol works great for some, but for others it makes them prone to connective tissue injury.

Basically try and keep dosages low enough to avoid a massive physique change, but high enough to get the strength, speed, cardio, recovery, and aggression benefits associated with AAS. Everyones different with resepect to these goals and how their body responds.