Test cycle without AI worth the risk?

[White T]

This obviously depends on each individual person as no one reacts the same but how many of you have done test only cycles (500mg/week) without an AI but just a SERM? This is directed more towards people who are prone to or have experienced gyno symptons and were able to combat them with Nolva and did not have to worry about an AI like arim or letro.. There's so many opinions and I'm sure they all have their good points and bad points but I'd just like to hear from you that have cycled with test+nolva only and not experienced any super negative sides (gyno, not recovering afterwards..). Seems like the majority of posters recommend having an AI on hand at the very least during cycle to prevent gyno in CASE it happens, but can nolva be used in place if I can't get an AI? Post your experiences

[Blitz-Test]

I did a test cycle no ai and a test/dbol with ai on hand never used it though, no problem

[gustavo77]

Nolva is effective on cycle for preventing gyno. The thing is that nolva only blocks estro from binding to certain receptors (ie. breast tissue), it does not lower estro. So what will happen is that nolva will block estro from binding to your titties but you will still have high levels of estro in your system and can still get other estro related sides, ie bloating, increased SHBG etc.

[powerrack]

I've never ran an AI on cycle before. This next one coming up on fall though I am thinking about running a bit of aromasin as the cycle goes on. I tend to get slight bloat but no gyno.

[The Terminator]

Why bother if you don't need to? If you don't know how the cycle is going to affect you, why throw another chem in the mix if it's not needed?

2nd cycle, and no AI or SERM - no need.

Matt

[ManInTheBox]

I would always advise having proper anti-e's and SERMS on hand regardless of the cycle your on. The problem is that everyone is different - each human will respond in their own way to gear. There are many bros out there that cycle grams of gear a week and don't experience any estrogenic sides. Then again, there are some who will have puffy nipples in the first week.

To put it simply, why take the risk? Nobody can tell you what you will feel on cycle. That's something you'll have to find out for yourself. And if you experience bad sides, you'll wish you had serms/ai's on hand rather than scrambling to get some from your source.

And remember, gyno isn't the only side that we have to worry about either. Bloat can get pretty serious - especially if it restricts your appetite.

Spend the extra cash on an ai - if the time comes that you need it, you'll be glad you did.

[vigilant3]

This obviously depends on each individual person as no one reacts the same but how many of you have done test only cycles (500mg/week) without an AI but just a SERM? This is directed more towards people who are prone to or have experienced gyno symptons and were able to combat them with Nolva and did not have to worry about an AI like arim or letro.. There's so many opinions and I'm sure they all have their good points and bad points but I'd just like to hear from you that have cycled with test+nolva only and not experienced any super negative sides (gyno, not recovering afterwards..). Seems like the majority of posters recommend having an AI on hand at the very least during cycle to prevent gyno in CASE it happens, but can nolva be used in place if I can't get an AI? Post your experiences

I'm currently just doing a straight 500mg cycle of weekly Test Enanthate, and I found that gyno got pretty severe from the get go. I started 40mg of Nolva before bed around my 3rd week, and it's made quite a difference. I'll be starting with some letrozole soon hoping to reverse the effects.

All in all, I say keep some Nolva on hand at the very least. Why take the risk when you can spend a couple of extra bucks for the Tamoxifine and can get it legally from a lot of places?

[BAM]

Provaron worked well for me last cycle.

[tex]

i collect fat in the moob area fairly easily....that being said theres no buds there so its like psuedo-gyno.....but anyways.....i did 400 per week test e with 420 per week of var and didnt use an ai.....my chest is itchy right now but i think its due to me shaving my chest and the acne that showed up...hah...but i am using nolva right now just in case.....an ai is not needed....nolva will do just fine and is way better for you cholesterol......

[White T]

I appreciate all the replies.. Thanks for everyone's input. I am having a huge debate with myself right now.. I have my gear and Nolva ready to go, but I keep putting off starting because of lack of an AI. I sincerely want to have one on hand but as many Canadian bro's experience have a hard time obtaining one with all the strict regulations that have been seen recently with things getting through customs. I have that burning desire to see how I react without it but there is always that thought in the back of my mind that "WHAT IF?" and it keeps me from taking the next step. Some say Nolva is enough, others believe AI should be there as well.. like you've all said, it all depends on the individual and I will never know until I try.. that is the risk that I'll have to take! Thanks again for your help

[Big D]

I find alot of older guys that have been on gear for decades dont ever use AI's or anti-e's, and they dont show any side effects,

but i always think its better to be safe then sorry, right ?

[nisser]

I would always advise having proper anti-e's and SERMS on hand regardless of the cycle your on. The problem is that everyone is different - each human will respond in their own way to gear. There are many bros out there that cycle grams of gear a week and don't experience any estrogenic sides. Then again, there are some who will have puffy nipples in the first week.

To put it simply, why take the risk? Nobody can tell you what you will feel on cycle. That's something you'll have to find out for yourself. And if you experience bad sides, you'll wish you had serms/ai's on hand rather than scrambling to get some from your source.

And remember, gyno isn't the only side that we have to worry about either. Bloat can get pretty serious - especially if it restricts your appetite.

Spend the extra cash on an ai - if the time comes that you need it, you'll be glad you did.

Well said. Everyone reacts differently.

I absolutely NEED it even on 600mg of test. WHen I went through puberty, the burst of test I got gave me gyno right away. I actually remember my left nip hurting but being a kid I had no idea why ( i have a little mole on my left nip and thought it was because of that). Years later and shit clicked in and I knew what happened.

Have it on hand because you might need it and if you don't have it you might be very sorry.

[White T]

I would always advise having proper anti-e's and SERMS on hand regardless of the cycle your on. The problem is that everyone is different - each human will respond in their own way to gear. There are many bros out there that cycle grams of gear a week and don't experience any estrogenic sides. Then again, there are some who will have puffy nipples in the first week.

To put it simply, why take the risk? Nobody can tell you what you will feel on cycle. That's something you'll have to find out for yourself. And if you experience bad sides, you'll wish you had serms/ai's on hand rather than scrambling to get some from your source.

And remember, gyno isn't the only side that we have to worry about either. Bloat can get pretty serious - especially if it restricts your appetite.

Spend the extra cash on an ai - if the time comes that you need it, you'll be glad you did.

*IF* gyno is primarily the side that I'm worried about, can I feel comfortable that running Nolva during the cycle will eliminate that worry? Or do people still get gyno while running Nolva and really need an AI to prevent it?

[gustavo77]

*IF* gyno is primarily the side that I'm worried about, can I feel comfortable that running Nolva during the cycle will eliminate that worry? Or do people still get gyno while running Nolva and really need an AI to prevent it?

You will not get gyno as long as you are taking the appropriate dose of nolva on cycle (10-20mg/day). It is the other estrogenic sides (bloating, rise in SHBG) that will not be prevented with the use of nolva.

[White T]

Ok.. thanks for your advice gustavo.. Looks like the only real way to find out here how I will react is by trying it. Crossing my fingers that 20mg nolva per day throughout the cycle will prevent any gyno!

[nisser]

Ok.. thanks for your advice gustavo.. Looks like the only real way to find out here how I will react is by trying it. Crossing my fingers that 20mg nolva per day throughout the cycle will prevent any gyno!

Keep in mind that using nolva like that is going to slow down your gains but will also make your PCT less successful.


This game isn't THAT easy. Everything has downsides.

[White T]

nisser: ahh..was not aware of that.. see, that's why it's so great getting advice from people who are experienced! On the flip side, would using an AI on cycle to prevent gyno NOT slow down my gains? and then nolva during pct would be more successful? Appreciate your input

[lambchops]

Keep in mind that using nolva like that is going to slow down your gains but will also make your PCT less successful.


This game isn't THAT easy. Everything has downsides.

so keep it on hand but dont use unless you see sides?

[tex]

^^ why throw all that money away.....only use it if you start getting sides.....unless you are made of money....and in that case you can send me some......

[nisser]

so keep it on hand but dont use unless you see sides?

Yup. I have nolva always and whenever it looks like sides are going to appear I hop on 20-40mg per day for a week, then drop it and see how I'm doing. Maybe I'm paranoid but I had my puberty gyno removed about a year ago.

[lambchops]

^^ why throw all that money away.....only use it if you start getting sides.....unless you are made of money....and in that case you can send me some......

i wouldnt view it as a waste of money. if its going to diminish gains then why use it if you dont need it, and if you end up needing it its there. more like insurance... which is a waste of money so a bad example

[BAM]

imho..
Go with an ai over nolva.

Since I have tried an ai, I would never again do a cycle without one.

[tex]

which is a waste of money so a bad example Don't misconstrue my comments. It's wasteful if you take without needing it. That's exactly what I meant. PLUS arimidex will destroy you cholesterol. Don't use unless symptoms appear.

[lambchops]

Don't misconstrue my comments. It's wasteful if you take without needing it. That's exactly what I meant. PLUS arimidex will destroy you cholesterol. Don't use unless symptoms appear.

my bad it was late, brain no work so good when tired.

[tex]

^^ same here. i read your reply really early this morning and couldnt understand your last sentence for some reason.