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moh2010
31-05-2011, 04:25 PM
It's time to switch to Purolator or UPS
Notice of a Work Disruption at Canada Post
2011/05/30
Canada Post received notice that the Canadian Union of Postal Workers (CUPW) intends to begin strike activities at 11:59 p.m. EDT on June 2, 2011.
In the event of a strike, Canada Post will not operate. Mail and parcels will not be delivered.
Contingency plans are in place to ensure the security of our facilities and safety of any items that remain in the mail stream during a work disruption.
There are also plans to ensure Canada Post returns to normal operations as quickly as possible following any work disruption.
Despite this development, talks between the company and union are continuing in an effort to reach a negotiated settlement to this round of labour negotiations.
http://clients.infopost.ca/en/
mouth
31-05-2011, 04:45 PM
NOOOOOO!!!! How am I going to know how much to pay on my bills?!!
physique
31-05-2011, 06:05 PM
i just switched all my shipping to greyhound. its not the best pricing, but its wayyyyyyyyy better then purolator, dhl, or ups. its absoluetly crazy what those guys wnat to ship a package 3 lbs and 8x8x8 inches. over $40 from bc to ontario. and thats ground shipping.
At least greyhound works weekends.
all shipping rates have been changed on www.canadianmedsupplies.com not sure what i am going to do with cheapephedrine.net yet.
Waiting for DHL to get back to me too on a huge break in shipping with them.
They should fire all the people who want to strike and hire those who are thankful to work for a wage well above standard considering the amount of education you need to get those jobs (which is zero).
Striking during a recession is the greediest shit I can think of. **** em.
O-Train
31-05-2011, 06:31 PM
Lazy assholes never deliver anything to me anyways. Always have to go to Shoppers to pick everything up. It will be a miracle if my grippers get here before shit goes down.
bcaamuscle
31-05-2011, 06:54 PM
They should fire all the people who want to strike and hire those who are thankful to work for a wage well above standard considering the amount of education you need to get those jobs (which is zero).
Striking during a recession is the greediest shit I can think of. **** em.
This. It's a completely overpaid job in the first place, some of us have to work hard for wages equal to what they're making. Plus, my gf's bday gift is on the way here :(
LonelyBedouin
31-05-2011, 07:41 PM
O god common package get here tomorrow...
moh2010
31-05-2011, 08:46 PM
O god common package get here tomorrow...
You have until Thursday. I expect a package tomorrow too. I just hope the service will be as good/fast. But something tell me the employees do not care about the quality right now... :-S
gicantor
01-06-2011, 03:15 AM
Get back to work you CP c*nts!
petroboy
01-06-2011, 07:42 AM
I find it pathetic when people attack anyone that is on strike. Look at the big picture, if it weren't for unions everyone around the world would be working for peanuts and the quality of life for everyone would be in the gutter. Child labour would still be in effect if it weren't for unions. dont forget when there are morons at the top of a company the bottom isn't going to smell that nice. but who really knows. I'll bet none of you.
I don't know how bad it is at canada post but i know at my job they keep on "taking away" because of this "recession" that only seems to be affecting the working class people. pathetic. ever hear about taking a walk in someone's shoes etc.
faller
01-06-2011, 07:55 AM
ever hear about taking a walk in someone's shoes etc.
Yes, and when you've walked about a mile you can keep the shoes. :rotflmao
I find it pathetic when people attack anyone that is on strike. Look at the big picture, if it weren't for unions everyone around the world would be working for peanuts and the quality of life for everyone would be in the gutter. Child labour would still be in effect if it weren't for unions. dont forget when there are morons at the top of a company the bottom isn't going to smell that nice. but who really knows. I'll bet none of you.
I don't know how bad it is at canada post but i know at my job they keep on "taking away" because of this "recession" that only seems to be affecting the working class people. pathetic. ever hear about taking a walk in someone's shoes etc.
Right on Brother. I'm with you.
In other news...
So number 8, what do you do for a living that makes you feel so high above the working class?
You went to Jewniversity and got your head pumped full of shit and lies and hypothesis and they rewarded you with a piece of paper for being able to memorize and regurgitate said shit? Wow.. am I ever impressed!
Too bad free thought escapes you though...you mental lemming.
natenator
01-06-2011, 08:24 AM
I work for a living. Im working class.
And good job attacking those who went to school. Some are good at working with their hands and some are good at working with their brains. What say you to the surgeon who does both? You gonna make fun of him too because he went and got an education?
Right on Brother. I'm with you.
In other news...
So number 8, what do you do for a living that makes you feel so high above the working class?
You went to Jewniversity and got your head pumped full of shit and lies and hypothesis and they rewarded you with a piece of paper for being able to memorize and regurgitate said shit? Wow.. am I ever impressed!
Too bad free though escapes you though...you mental lemming.
I work for a living. Im working class.
And good job attacking those who went to school. Some are good at working with their hands and some are good at working with their brains. What say you to the surgeon who does both? You gonna make fun of him too because he went and got an education?
Well Nate, many of these 'Professionals' forget that their practices depend on some guy diggin a hole at some point to build a building.
Many look down on farmers too but without them what would it be like? If we only reward academic achievements, who's gonna do the physical work?
2ndly.. any of you that currently are in a union yet hate unions should quit immediately and give that job to someone who would appreciate it.
(because being in that union is a requirement for that job)
I mean.. if you all think postal workers have it so great, I guess you should retrain and try to get a job there since it must be so much better than the one you are in to be belly aching so much.
canada post can't keep itself running like this.....packages have dropped 17% in the last year.....they can't afford a wage increase.....if they strike I think it will be the end for the cp because ppl will just use private couriers and say **** YOU to the striking assholes.....they should be thankful that they have a job....not try to get an 11% increase when the company is bleeding out everywhere......
faller
01-06-2011, 10:00 AM
many of these 'Professionals' forget that their practices depend on some guy diggin a hole at some point to build a building.
If we only reward academic achievements, who's gonna do the physical work?
.
Nope, it takes say on average 10 "professional's" to concieve the idea of the building, half of that number could pull it off. How many can dig the hole? Thousands!
Labour is rewarded, its called a pay check..
Britain went through a period with the idiot PM Tony Blair where the eggheads thought that they would not need manufacturing,it would be a financial services economy.it seems the people with higher education in Canada don't actually measure up compared to engineers and managers in China and Germany,Korea.At the moment,many professionals are protected by associations that may limit membership and "suggest"fee schedules.Free market?I can just imagine the screaming.
Yeah, we have way too many university grads when what we need are skilled labour and trades people. I mean, we are importing them as nobody wants to be one because as an society, we look down on trades people and such
so now every kid wants to be a university grad.. well guess what, there are no jobs for university grads. So I figure that is why academic types like to shit on workers, because they look at a union workers paycheck and get angry because they make good money while the university grad can't find a job?
Funny how some people are quick to cast judgment on the value of a said type of work. I guess you need a University education to do that.
Theres that "brotherly love" ,,,,,,,LOL , should we vote on it ?
Right on Brother. I'm with you.
In other news...
So number 8, what do you do for a living that makes you feel so high above the working class?
You went to Jewniversity and got your head pumped full of shit and lies and hypothesis and they rewarded you with a piece of paper for being able to memorize and regurgitate said shit? Wow.. am I ever impressed!
Too bad free though escapes you though...you mental lemming.
natenator
01-06-2011, 10:26 AM
I know plenty of professionals, academics and office type people. Some might think people who do manual work to be of a lower class but they arent better than those people, they're just assholes.
I know plenty of people who do manual labour and none of them think badly of me because i went and got an education or because i work in an office or because im currently in the process of going back to school. But if they did think bad of me then they're assholes too.
What i see here is that you hate people with an education, who work in an office or are of a different race than you. Your contempt for all 3 groups is riddled in your posts on this board. So, who hates who?
Well Nate, many of these 'Professionals' forget that their practices depend on some guy diggin a hole at some point to build a building.
Many look down on farmers too but without them what would it be like? If we only reward academic achievements, who's gonna do the physical work?
2ndly.. any of you that currently are in a union yet hate unions should quit immediately and give that job to someone who would appreciate it.
(because being in that union is a requirement for that job)
I mean.. if you all think postal workers have it so great, I guess you should retrain and try to get a job there since it must be so much better than the one you are in to be belly aching so much.
natenator
01-06-2011, 10:31 AM
Yeah, we have way too many university grads when what we need are skilled trades people. I mean, we are importing them, Yet nobody wants to be one because as an society, we look down on trades people and such
so now every kid wants to be a university grad.. well guess what, there are no jobs for university grads. So I figure that is why academic types like to shit on workers, because they look at a union workers paycheck and get angry because they make good money? Who the hell are you people to cast judgment on the value of a said type of work?
No, we get pissed off at being continouly held ransom by threats of stike. And lets no confused unionized skilled labour with unionized labour. CP workers are far from "skilled labour" and neither are giv't employees, teachers and line workers in an autoplant.
Construction, machinests, tool and die, etc types are skilled LABOURERS
What i see here is that you hate people with an education, who work in an office or are of a different race than you. Your contempt for all 3 groups is riddled in your posts on this board. So, who hates who?
You are ridiculous.
I challenge people that are judgemental, because I am also judgemental, especially against societal injustices.
Anything I say about Jews is not Racial hatred, it is a wake up call to non Jews to be more competitive and throw off their slave shackles, and to quit being consumer cattle. (but I am glad you agree they are a race)
I have nothing against professionals, just the ones with big mouths that think they are better than everybody else because they went to a place for 8 years and played mental mahjong, yea those ones I like to shove my foot in their asses.
ironwill
01-06-2011, 11:02 AM
Nope, it takes say on average 10 "professional's" to concieve the idea of the building, half of that number could pull it off. How many can dig the hole? Thousands!
Labour is rewarded, its called a pay check..
Pofessionals built the titanic, amateurs built the ark....HMMMM....lol..jk, i just love that analogy...I was a working man a long time, and still am...Now i jjust have a professional designation, which im embarrassed of several of my peers that forgot to take the working man beginnings....And truly have no clue or ability to empathize with the man that works hard.....
Unions suck, Canada post is a dead horse that needs to go away, or come back totally reorganized...I say lock them out until their union is dead, then rehire a whole new group that actually give a ****, non union.....
Unions have a very small place in todays societies...We now have laws governing our safety, and well being, and bodies to report bad business to...Unions once had their place, not anymore, now they are dysfunctional and destroy anything they get involved in....What do they call themselves...A brotherhood....lmao...
Brother, brother in the union hall, and on the job its **** u all.....
ironwill
01-06-2011, 11:07 AM
Yeah, we have way too many university grads when what we need are skilled labour and trades people. I mean, we are importing them as nobody wants to be one because as an society, we look down on trades people and such
so now every kid wants to be a university grad.. well guess what, there are no jobs for university grads. So I figure that is why academic types like to shit on workers, because they look at a union workers paycheck and get angry because they make good money while the university grad can't find a job?
Funny how some people are quick to cast judgment on the value of a said type of work. I guess you need a University education to do that.
I dont know of anyone this day and age that look down upon tradesmen....LOL, you need to get out more dude...Your rock is getting moldy under there....
Every single person has a role in making the world what it is...From the garbage man, to the janitors, to the Prime minister.....
I dont know of anyone this day and age that look down upon tradesmen....LOL, you need to get out more dude...Your rock is getting moldy under there....
Every single person has a role in making the world what it is...From the garbage man, to the janitors, to the Prime minister.....
I guess my problem is with people that enjoy quantifying the value of other people's roles in society since that is somewhat subjective. Especially when many of these university grads have never
even shed a shot-glass full of sweat on any job or project and get paid at least twice what the *cough* working man does, yet have the audacity to preach about worth these people
(which likely work 10 times harder than they do)
pseclint
01-06-2011, 12:26 PM
green jacket...... blue jacket..... who gives a ****.....
There is no difference in labour jobs than professional jobs, its all dependent on who you are. These jobs are totally relatable to bodybuilding, some people have better genetics and can become monsters while others are plagued by shitty genetics. Well those guys dont get to go to the Olympia and compete do they? Same with people with an education, some people genetically are smarter than others, some are content with labour jobs and whatnot as well, it doesnt make you a bad person
But the difference is skilled labour, postal workers are not "skilled", a ****ing monkey can sort and deliver mail and they get $23 an hour and want more!!! Bullshit. My cousin is a Journeyman welder for 12 years and makes $25 in a shop in Alberta. Turn Canada Post into Tim Hortons and get a bunch of cheap Philippine labourers in to do the job.
ironwill
01-06-2011, 12:55 PM
green jacket...... blue jacket..... who gives a ****.....
There is no difference in labour jobs than professional jobs, its all dependent on who you are. These jobs are totally relatable to bodybuilding, some people have better genetics and can become monsters while others are plagued by shitty genetics. Well those guys dont get to go to the Olympia and compete do they? Same with people with an education, some people genetically are smarter than others, some are content with labour jobs and whatnot as well, it doesnt make you a bad person
But the difference is skilled labour, postal workers are not "skilled", a ****ing monkey can sort and deliver mail and they get $23 an hour and want more!!! Bullshit. My cousin is a Journeyman welder for 12 years and makes $25 in a shop in Alberta. Turn Canada Post into Tim Hortons and get a bunch of cheap Philippine labourers in to do the job.
The bodybuilder analogy makes sense...I would also add though, that not everyone wants to be up the chain higher, and may even possess much higher abilities, and higher intelligence...Some very intelligent folks are doing labor jobs and such because they hate the ****en politics that comes with the professional roles, or the stress levels, or they hate lying to their reports because big business has their own agaenda...A good leader, or professional person acts as an umbrella to his reports and shields them from the bullshit...Not everyone wants to, or can handle the stress thaty comes along with it...Hell some very, very smart folks just go off the grid because humanity is not what it once was....
pseclint
01-06-2011, 01:01 PM
The bodybuilder analogy makes sense...I would also add though, that not everyone wants to be up the chain higher, and may even possess much higher abilities, and higher intelligence...Some very intelligent folks are doing labor jobs and such because they hate the ****en politics that comes with the professional roles, or the stress levels, or they hate lying to their reports because big business has their own agaenda...A good leader, or professional person acts as an umbrella to his reports and shields them from the bullshit...Not everyone wants to, or can handle the stress thaty comes along with it...Hell some very, very smart folks just go off the grid because humanity is not what it once was....
Yep I agree with this, I'm an engineer and some of the smartest people I have met are working labour jobs on the rigs
ironwill
01-06-2011, 01:03 PM
I guess my problem is with people that enjoy quantifying the value of other people's roles in society since that is somewhat subjective. Especially when many of these university grads have never
even shed a shot-glass full of sweat on any job or project and get paid at least twice what the *cough* working man does, yet have the audacity to preach about other people
(which likely work 10 times harder than they do)
are worth?
In my opinion we all put our pants on , one leg at a time...What makes a person a person, is not their job, it is how they conduct themselves, and how they contribute to their community, and society in general....IMO we are all equals, and sometime soon many of the bigshots , that think they are all thaty, need to come to realize this...In one way or another...I know of some big business managers...They lose their jobs, and then have no identity, they then have an identity crisis and dont know how to function as a human, only as a mamager of some sort, and now they are nothing....I do admit i relish seeing the bigshots that have no value other than relying on their title come crashing down....In opposition, i hate seeing good honest folks, and contributors to community fall from grace...Typically these folks pick up and move on and still find success, because they were good people and earned it honestly from the get go....
Just one mans opinion who has been on both ends of the spectrum, ive been chastized for being a labourer , and watched the chastizers fall from grace, and i took their place....a few yrs later.....
Watch whos toes you are stepping on, they could be attached to the ass you have to kiss later...
Ive also seen janitors working their way through their degrees, and come back in a few yrs as leaders....I love these stories.....They are usually the best leaders imo, as they can truly empathize with folks that try...
mouth
01-06-2011, 01:14 PM
I find it pathetic when people attack anyone that is on strike. Look at the big picture, if it weren't for unions everyone around the world would be working for peanuts and the quality of life for everyone would be in the gutter. Child labour would still be in effect if it weren't for unions. dont forget when there are morons at the top of a company the bottom isn't going to smell that nice. but who really knows. I'll bet none of you.
I don't know how bad it is at canada post but i know at my job they keep on "taking away" because of this "recession" that only seems to be affecting the working class people. pathetic. ever hear about taking a walk in someone's shoes etc.
OH no....not THIS discussion again....;)
Right on Brother. I'm with you.
In other news...
So number 8, what do you do for a living that makes you feel so high above the working class?
You went to Jewniversity and got your head pumped full of shit and lies and hypothesis and they rewarded you with a piece of paper for being able to memorize and regurgitate said shit? Wow.. am I ever impressed!
Too bad free though escapes you though...you mental lemming.
Wow...Jewniversity? It's comments like that, that REALLY prove your point.
;)
You need thicker skin.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cehLiGxguQI
not to be a Dick, but didnt you go to University?
ironwill
01-06-2011, 01:55 PM
BTW, canada post doesnt strike until Friday folks....
I have an urge right now to hide somewhere on the street, and sucker punch the **** out of one of these CP assholes. It would just make me feel better inside.
not to be a Dick, but didnt you go to University?
I am not anti university, sorry if I came across that way. What I am is anti-assholes that looks down on others because of the work role they play in society. That is how they apparently value human life, by wealth, education, and occupation.
I think there is more important criteria to be considered when evaluating people.
I have an urge right now to hide somewhere on the street, and sucker punch the **** out of one of these CP assholes. It would just make me feel better inside.
Uh Oh.. better watch out Mr. O
I never knew he was CP. If I did I would of already sent him hate PM's over my lost package from earlier this year lol
MuSuLPhReAk
01-06-2011, 02:20 PM
Bam, I got to intervene here. I need to ask you to lay off the Jew attacks. We all know how you feel about it. Some of the stuff you post is thought provoking and I've read and learned about it. But the message you are trying to get across will not get across if you continue to approach it the same way.
mouth
01-06-2011, 02:51 PM
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faller
01-06-2011, 07:16 PM
In my opinion we all put our pants on , one leg at a time...What makes a person a person, is not their job, it is how they conduct themselves, and how they contribute to their community, and society in general....IMO we are all equals, and sometime soon many of the bigshots , that think they are all thaty, need to come to realize this...In one way or another...I know of some big business managers...They lose their jobs, and then have no identity, they then have an identity crisis and dont know how to function as a human, only as a mamager of some sort, and now they are nothing....I do admit i relish seeing the bigshots that have no value other than relying on their title come crashing down....In opposition, i hate seeing good honest folks, and contributors to community fall from grace...Typically these folks pick up and move on and still find success, because they were good people and earned it honestly from the get go....
Just one mans opinion who has been on both ends of the spectrum, ive been chastized for being a labourer , and watched the chastizers fall from grace, and i took their place....a few yrs later.....
Watch whos toes you are stepping on, they could be attached to the ass you have to kiss later...
Ive also seen janitors working their way through their degrees, and come back in a few yrs as leaders....I love these stories.....They are usually the best leaders imo, as they can truly empathize with folks that try...
Awesome post IW! I have to spread the green around some more, which i thought i have been but apparently not.
petroboy
01-06-2011, 08:00 PM
all i'm trying to say is for the majority of countries without unions that big corporations would be paying below the poverty line and treating workers as if they should kiss their ass for a paycheque. All of us love buying cheap shit from china and couldcare less how these people are treated.
The majority of CP workers i'm sure are just trying to provide for their families and i can guarentee you they're not living in "Beverly Hills" eating bon bons sitting on their asses collecting their cheques.
You might not work for a union and get paid and treated really well but just remember just becasue you are it doesn't mean everyone else is.
wow, gotta say a couple of you are pretty big a holes but hey it's a fee country and that's my opinion.
peace.
Yeah, we have way too many university grads when what we need are skilled labour and trades people. I mean, we are importing them as nobody wants to be one because as an society, we look down on trades people and such
so now every kid wants to be a university grad.. well guess what, there are no jobs for university grads. So I figure that is why academic types like to shit on workers, because they look at a union workers paycheck and get angry because they make good money while the university grad can't find a job?
Funny how some people are quick to cast judgment on the value of a said type of work. I guess you need a University education to do that.
Jewniversity? lol. Wow.
I never once in any of my posts made even the slightest mention of looking down on any class, be it working or otherwise. I understand not everyone needs or wants to get a post secondary education, but to throw your arms up and claim that you are being hard done by at their current salary is ****ing pathetic.
I think if anyone is slapping the working class in the face it is those greedy postie ****s. My deliveries take forever to arrive and rarely do on time. Their job is so demanding that they are requiring a raise in a recession? I dated a girl who's mom worked for CP as a delivery courier and she retired with a GENEROUS pension in her early 50's. How many working class can claim that? If they could do you think they would be asking for more money on top of that?
I dont know why you take my attacks on lazy, greedy, overpaid losers so personally. I never once said that ALL unions are a joke. What unions established a couple hundred years ago and what they stood for then is completely contrasted by their current agenda. Look at Ford and GM for example. You can smoke dope on the assembly line and if anyone tells you to put it out you just claim youre an addict and get paid leave while in rehab. Then they find someone to fill your spot while youre gone and have to pay them as well obviously. Pretty successful union eh?
I am all about protecting workers from UNFAIR, and DANGEROUS working conditions, but the employees at CP experience neither of those.
When you have an intelligent response for me Id love to hear it. Try READING and COMPREHENDING my posts, thinking critically, then come up with an intelligent remark based on what I ACTUALLY SAID, not what you interpreted from the words I didnt actually say.
Cool?
massmachine
01-06-2011, 10:03 PM
What I am is an asshole
You certainly got that right bud...
I come from a lower middle working class family by the way. I have had a job consistently since I was 13 and I understand what its like to have to work for a living.
mouth
01-06-2011, 10:55 PM
all i'm trying to say is for the majority of countries without unions that big corporations would be paying below the poverty line and treating workers as if they should kiss their ass for a paycheque. All of us love buying cheap shit from china and couldcare less how these people are treated.
The majority of CP workers i'm sure are just trying to provide for their families and i can guarentee you they're not living in "Beverly Hills" eating bon bons sitting on their asses collecting their cheques.
You might not work for a union and get paid and treated really well but just remember just becasue you are it doesn't mean everyone else is.
wow, gotta say a couple of you are pretty big a holes but hey it's a fee country and that's my opinion.
peace.
You are correct that some countries will pay their workers WAY less than we do. But, those countries also don't have the same labour laws that we do. That's the point that I've tried to make on this topic. What unions USED TO stand for is great! However, the reasons and issues that caused the creation of unions are now covered under our labour laws. While I also agree that postal workers aren't living in the super rich areas...they're NOT hard up for money nor should they complain about their working conditions.
And yes, a lot of people here are assholes ;) I agree with you on that point too! haha
O-Train
01-06-2011, 11:03 PM
I come from a lower middle working class family by the way. I have had a job consistently since I was 13 and I understand what its like to have to work for a living.
Just ignore that dick. He reminds me of the people I deal with that take a tiny little car accident and turn it into a golden ticket that they hold on to for the rest of their pitiful lives...and their ****ed up little brains think that they're entitled. He's a waste of time.
You are correct that some countries will pay their workers WAY less than we do. But, those countries also don't have the same labour laws that we do. That's the point that I've tried to make on this topic. What unions USED TO stand for is great! However, the reasons and issues that caused the creation of unions are now covered under our labour laws. While I also agree that postal workers aren't living in the super rich areas...they're NOT hard up for money nor should they complain about their working conditions.
And yes, a lot of people here are assholes ;) I agree with you on that point too! haha
Labour laws don't legislate decent wages .
all i'm trying to say is for the majority of countries without unions that big corporations would be paying below the poverty line and treating workers as if they should kiss their ass for a paycheque. All of us love buying cheap shit from china and couldcare less how these people are treated.
The majority of CP workers i'm sure are just trying to provide for their families and i can guarentee you they're not living in "Beverly Hills" eating bon bons sitting on their asses collecting their cheques.
You might not work for a union and get paid and treated really well but just remember just becasue you are it doesn't mean everyone else is.
wow, gotta say a couple of you are pretty big a holes but hey it's a fee country and that's my opinion.
peace.
I have an eductation and so far that has gotten me a job that pays only 13$ an hour, granted I live in an area with a low cost of living and very little opportunity. I have to work a shitload of overtime to pay for the house I bought, and support my girlfriends furniture buying habit. My job voted in a union three years ago, and we were supposed to have a decent raise by now without the union, but everything is frozen until we have a contract, so who knows how many more years it will be before we do.
As you can see it does very little to break my heart when a guy who walks door to door dropping mail off is not satisfied with his 23$ an hour to support his family. I know for a fact that there are tons of college and university grads including myself that would do that very same job un-unionized for 18$ an hour with big ****ing smiles on our faces. I am just happy that I have a job in this economy, so as far as I am concerned they can either shut up or find a new job.
faller
02-06-2011, 10:07 AM
I just noticed that Deepak Chopra is CEO of CP.. Lol, no wander the union is shitting their pants!!
I have an eductation and so far that has gotten me a job that pays only 13$ an hour, granted I live in an area with a low cost of living and very little opportunity. I have to work a shitload of overtime to pay for the house I bought, and support my girlfriends furniture buying habit. My job voted in a union three years ago, and we were supposed to have a decent raise by now without the union, but everything is frozen until we have a contract, so who knows how many more years it will be before we do.
As you can see it does very little to break my heart when a guy who walks door to door dropping mail off is not satisfied with his 23$ an hour to support his family. I know for a fact that there are tons of college and university grads including myself that would do that very same job un-unionized for 18$ an hour with big ****ing smiles on our faces. I am just happy that I have a job in this economy, so as far as I am concerned they can either shut up or find a new job.
18 an hour is ok in small markets.What about people in the big cities?23 an hour means sfa.As yet nobody has come up with a cheaper method to move our day to day mail.And let's not hear any assurances about on-line security please.
I just noticed that Deepak Chopra is CEO of CP.. Lol, no wander the union is shitting their pants!!
Deepak Chopra.Reminds me of that movie City Of Joy with Patrick Swayze.That's where we are headed it seems.
mouth
02-06-2011, 10:24 AM
Labour laws don't legislate decent wages .If the economy is good and there is demand wages rise.Continual decline and wages will follow.But your mortgage won't go down will it?you live in a dream world.If your ****ing asshole libs had gotten in we would have seen a sharp decline.
Sure it does. It's called minimum wage. Well, not the labour laws per se...but the government. There are also laws in place to prevent an employer from just starting to pay you less if you're already working for them (for the same job, that is). New people coming in, may get paid less...but that's something different. Oh and btw, they're not my ****ing asshole libs. I actually voted NDP....and I'm against unions...go figure!
18 an hour is ok in small markets.What about people in the big cities?23 an hour means sfa.As yet nobody has come up with a cheaper method to move our day to day mail.And let's not hear any assurances about on-line security please.
Correct me if I'm wrong but 23/hour is the average...not the top end. So, I would assume that a postal worker would make more in the larger markets. Also, keep in mind, that's the starting wage.
faller
02-06-2011, 10:43 AM
Deepak Chopra.Reminds me of that movie City Of Joy with Patrick Swayze.That's where we are headed it seems.
Thats because that is the direction you want to go..:p
Sure it does. It's called minimum wage. Well, not the labour laws per se...but the government. There are also laws in place to prevent an employer from just starting to pay you less if you're already working for them (for the same job, that is). New people coming in, may get paid less...but that's something different. Oh and btw, they're not my ****ing asshole libs. I actually voted NDP....and I'm against unions...go figure!
Correct me if I'm wrong but 23/hour is the average...not the top end. So, I would assume that a postal worker would make more in the larger markets. Also, keep in mind, that's the starting wage.
I paid a 15 yr old kid min wage once.Sorry for the mad dog moment,saying there were a lot of assholes here didn't sit right,lol.
Thats because that is the direction you want to go..:p
With free trade we are headed that way.NWO doesn't give a ****.We are a rich country,my dad bought a house for the equivalent of a years salary in 1970 in a suburb of Montreal.Calgary would have been twice that.And higher salaries.Tell me what it is now faller.
natenator
02-06-2011, 12:18 PM
.As yet nobody has come up with a cheaper method to move our day to day mail.
That's because the Gov't won't allow privatization of our mail system otherwise there would be a cheaper method.
I like to diddle little children
You certainly got that right bud...
Just ignore that dick. He reminds me of the people I deal with that take a tiny little car accident and turn it into a golden ticket that they hold on to for the rest of their pitiful lives...and their ****ed up little brains think that they're entitled. He's a waste of time.
Yeah, comparing a union supporter to an insurance fraud case make sense. :ji
Yes sir, you are 100% correct in that I have nothing in my arsenal to stimulate dullards like yourself other than perhaps holding my car keys up in the air and jingling them.
I never once in any of my posts made even the slightest mention of looking down on any class, be it working or otherwise. I understand not everyone needs or wants to get a post secondary education, but to throw your arms up and claim that you are being hard done by at their current salary is ****ing pathetic.
Why do you feel that you are qualified to judge what their work is worth to society?
What should a postal worker's pay be then?
Curious.
Why don't you tell me what you do for a living and let me put a value on it? ..of course I likely do not know anything about your line of work or its environment or stress or duties and responsibilities , but lets have a go at it anyway.
faller
02-06-2011, 02:42 PM
.We are a rich country
No we're not, where'd you get that idea from?
Why do you feel that you are qualified to judge what their work is worth to society?
What should a postal worker's pay be then?
Curious.
Why don't you tell me what you do for a living and let me put a value on it? ..of course I likely do not know anything about your line of work or its environment or stress or duties and responsibilities , but lets have a go at it anyway.
My main question to you is that do you ACTUALLY believe that a mail carrier with ZERO education (most of the time) is not being paid enough for what they are doing? In your mind can you justify their WAY above average salary and HEFTY pension with a strike? Keep in mind they work 5-6 hours a day tops also. They have a TON of sick days and vacation time as well, all paid by the way. How many other jobs offer such cushy accommodations? And STILL they complain? **** me....
Whats next? A ford assembly line worker making $45 an hour that feels he is being slighted? GO UNIONS!
You need a serious reality check dude. I dont believe you are a stupid individual as you have raised some interesting theories and arguments on occasion, but I do believe you are seriously misguided. Look at the big picture here. There are so many people out there that would kill for the wage/work ratio that your average postie puts in. Im not saying these people are well off, they are far from it, but in my opinion they have no right asking for more money when they make as much as they do, considering the requirements for the job (ie. be a human being with legs) let alone during a (global, although not AS much Canadian) recession.
Give your head a shake man.
FYI, I do promotional marketing work that pays anywhere from $14-25 an hour. I am VERY grateful for this income as it is part time revolving around my school schedule. It is not hard nor is it dangerous. Thats what unions were set up to protect people from.
No we're not, where'd you get that idea from?
Perhaps you have noticed our vast land mass,the forests,our fertile prairies,the hydro,the many and varied mineral resources?We are rich.Where did you get the idea that we are poor?A nation with no resources has to buy them and then manufacture goods.I will tell you what the ****ing problem is,and I remember it well in the early 70's,a hangover from the war...people that that actually worked in some trade were labelled "workees"."We"as the mostly elite British or Commonwealth descended people did not do this.They would"manage"those that were more suitable for"working with their hands"as if to imply that they were not as intelligent.Well,we see where this has gotten us when we have too many chiefs and not enough Indians.Sorry if this offends any Brits or their decendants,but after the war they and the Americans felt the world was theirs...it's just the way it was.
natenator
02-06-2011, 07:57 PM
Canada Post has a history of troubled labour relations with its trade unions, particularly the Canadian Union of Postal Workers (CUPW) and the Letter Carriers Union of Canada (which merged with CUPW in 1989) culminating in periodic strike action which has brought mail service in Canada to a halt. There have been at least 19 strikes, lockouts and walkouts between 1965 and 1997 including several wildcat strikes. A number of these strikes have seen the corporation employ strikebreakers and most, since the 1970s, have resulted in back-to-work legislation being passed by the Canadian parliament.
Canada Post was also the setting for one of the most controversial labour rulings of recent years. After several prosecutions for theft at its Mississauga's Gateway Postal Facility, the union won a ruling from a labour board that the workers involved could not be dismissed as the length of the investigation exceeded the ten-day limit in the collective agreement under which any allegation of misconduct had to be brought to the attention of the worker. Although the ruling was reversed on appeal, the Court of Appeal for Ontario ruled that although the decision may have been incorrect, it was not so totally without merit that the labour board's decision should be overturned. The court noted the language was in the collective agreement to keep supervisors from holding infractions over the head of a worker indefinitely.[16]
Recently Canada Post had begun to emerge from its labour troubles. In 2007, it signed a 4 year agreement with CUPW without any labour disruptions. For 2007, 2008[citation needed] and 2009 the corporation was named one of Canada's Top 100 Employers, as published in Maclean's magazine.[17][18] In 2008, however, it endured a long strike by its administrative worker union - Public Service Alliance of Canada (PSAC) - which compromised customer service.
Nearly all Canada Post employees who are not in the CUPW belong to one of three smaller trade unions. The Canadian Postmasters and Assistants Association covers 12,000 rural workers, the Association of Postal Officials of Canada has 3,400 supervisors and the Union of Postal Communications Employees represents 2,600 technical workers.[19][20][21]
faller
02-06-2011, 08:41 PM
Perhaps you have noticed our vast land mass,the forests,our fertile prairies,the hydro,the many and varied mineral resources?We are rich..
Lets not forget fishing, oil... Yes i have noticed, you are missing one vital component, we have to actually utilize these resources in order to get rich....
I had to LOL at the "Where did you get the idea that we are poor"? We're hanging on by a thread and the will to change is not there..
http://www.glassdoor.com/Salary/Canada-Post-Salaries-E8747.htm
Canada post mail carrier avg 23 bucks an hour. If I lived in Toronto, after taxes, I think I would be having a hard time.
One thing which I find odd is that critics of unions essentially attack unions because unions give employees a better life. They look at said union employee, say, "my he makes more money than me and his job is easier and I went to school and spent thousands of dollars and I can't find a decent paying job that isn't union" .. Hmm so instead of joining a union (since they apparently let employees have better lives), they decide to attack and destroy unions instead. Which is sad since seemingly the existence of unions is the only hope these underpaid belly-achers have for a better life?
#8, I noticed you said at one point that "they do not have the right to demand more money".. I don't get how you figure that you are somehow the 'hander-outer' of rights to people. What gives you the right.. to say "they don't have the right"?
I assume you are fairly young since you are in university so I am wondering where your animosity toward union civil servants stems from. Have you been indoctrinated by the education system to loathe them?
I looked through the wages in that hyperlink and imo, they look acceptable to me.
People always want more money. The more you make the more you spend so if there isn't some sort of cost of living raise yearly ( usually 3% ) than of course they will strike its the only way to get more.
23 $ / hr is a good second income for the home but it would be hard to own a house ( unless you bought in the 90's :) ) pay the bills and put food on the table for your family.
Regardless, strikes suck but it's the way these things go. No one wants to give in until they start seeing the negative effects from it.
Everybody loses when there is a strike.
Exactly.. Its not that they are trying to get richer, they just want enough to maintain the lifestyle they have become accustomed to by asking for enough to keep up with the costs of living. Its not a greed thing.
steve_d
03-06-2011, 06:58 AM
23 an hour is plenty unless that is your only household income. 46000$ a year is not a comfortable household salary if you have a wife/husband and a couple kids running around, no doubt. But if you have 92000$ a year with both incomes, you should be laughing.
I make less than that and we have only 1 income and we have no problem spending over 3000$ on a mastercard in addition to all the bills (mortgage, utilities, , RESPs for children, etc). And we're not living in a dump, thats for sure. People are horrible with money, and thats part of the reason people start to think you 'need' x amount of dollars to live happily. If people learned how to spend, they would all of a sudden realize their salaries are more than adequate.
Ex. 'I can't afford a gym membership', meanwhile, they have over 500$ a year spent on 'cash advance fees from an atm'
http://www40.statcan.ca/l01/cst01/famil21a-eng.htm
natenator
03-06-2011, 07:25 AM
Exactly.. Its not that they are trying to get richer, they just want enough to maintain the lifestyle they have become accustomed to by asking for enough to keep up with the costs of living. Its not a greed thing.
If you cant afford to live in the city you work in you either find a new job that will pay you what you feel you're worth or you move to a new city. Which is exactly what happens for a lot of people who arent protected by a union the but problem with the union people like posties is few have any skills that would enable them to find a job making more money so yet again they cry afoul and resprt to extortion tacticsin an attempt to get more.
Market demand for postal services in Canada has dropped around 17% in the past 10 years i think i read so once this issue is resolved with the union i think CP should reduce its total employee base by 17%. Fair is fair.
Even if 1 less piece of mail is going to Canadian households on a daily basis, there are more houses being built every day and more people being born and entering the country every day. I think that likely offsets your 17%.
CP can comfortably downsize their workforce as necessary through employee retirement.
Maybe they need to trim off the management fat?
natenator
03-06-2011, 07:56 AM
Even if 1 less piece of mail is going to Canadian households on a daily basis, there are more houses being built every day and more people being born and entering the country every day. I think that likely offsets your 17%.
We've had a housing boom in this country in the past 10-15 years all the while a decline in market demand for Canada Post services so your theory doesnt really hold water. Do you have a problem with Canada Post reducing its work force by 17% until such a time when the market demand for their services has increased?
natenator
03-06-2011, 08:03 AM
Sorry, i misstated that 17%. Its declined 17% since 2006
So what's the word ?
I read that they are on strike , but 9000 employess will stay on during this issue.
moh2010
03-06-2011, 09:37 AM
So what's the word ?
I read that they are on strike , but 9000 employess will stay on during this issue.
I dont know. I tried canadapost.ca and the website is down. The 9000 employees across Canada is for delivering the welfare checks and other "very important" things
They want to do their own snow removal and grass cutting.Great.Full time employees with benefits for part time work.I can't see cutting the hourly rate for gov employees but I can see them making their own contributions to pensions.Gov employee benefits are dragging Greece right into the gutter.Canada needs to address this.But on the whole these guys are highly monitored,I'm not sure if the focus should be on them,there are armies of lazy clericals.
Personally I don't rely on the postal service very much - all my bills are paid online and I get e-statements. Any packages can easily be delivered by another company.
I dont feel as if I am issuing any rights to anyone, I am simply following the logic that these people are paid well for what they do, and they should NOT be complaining at all.
As Nate said, they have little skills that are transferable to other careers or jobs. If they think they can do better, they should quit and let someone else take their job who would appreciate it much more.
As many have said here, when taking a job like a letter carrier, one sacrifices their education and training for the number of years they are in this letter carriers position and thus have no real portable skill set to transfer to another job if they get laid off. With that said..Should they not be compensated with a decent wage and some job security for the sacrifice they are making?
natenator
03-06-2011, 01:02 PM
sacrifices their education and training? They made the choice to enter the profession they did and job security comes from doing said job well. Like I said, how many of these folks could go get another job tomorrow?
I could go get a job at any number of companies or in any number of industries because I have a multi-faceted skillset which I have worked to develop during my working days. I created my own job security. Others are too lazy and look towards others to do it for them so no, there is no sense of entitlement. If you want something better for yourself you work to go get it and stop expecting it be handed to you.
sacrifices their education and training? They made the choice to enter the profession they did and job security comes from doing said job well. Like I said, how many of these folks could go get another job tomorrow?
I could go get a job at any number of companies or in any number of industries because I have a multi-faceted skillset which I have worked to develop during my working days. I created my own job security. Others are too lazy and look towards others to do it for them so no, there is no sense of entitlement. If you want something better for yourself you work to go get it and stop expecting it be handed to you.
That's what I am saying, they have made a sacrifice. Their job skill set isn't multi-faceted and transferable like yours is. You seem to be supporting my argument.
FYI
Their pay-rate and benefit package were not handed to them, they fought for it. They took it.
No charity involved.
natenator
03-06-2011, 01:50 PM
No, they haven't made a sacrifice. They made a choice to do a job which is what it is. If they want job security they should become more marketable but instead they hold everyone ransom to demand their job security and higher wages.
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I wish my wife worked there. I could use an extra 40,000 a year :)
I wish my wife worked there. I could use an extra 40,000 a year :)
Jeez man, you don't wan't #8 and Nate looking down at your wife like she is a piece of shit do you?
LOL - for an extra 40,000 + a year I don't give a shit :) - Not going to happen anyways :D
If being a letter carrier paid shit with no job security who would you get?If you want some maturity at the site you have to expect to pay a decent wage.I don't expect to get anybody responsible who doesn't expect somewhere in the 20-30 dollar range.You don't pay and you will get shit.
gicantor
03-06-2011, 04:17 PM
If being a letter carrier paid shit with no job security who would you get?If you want some maturity at the site you have to expect to pay a decent wage.I don't expect to get anybody responsible who doesn't expect somewhere in the 20-30 dollar range.You don't pay and you will get shit.
are you kidding? 50% of all CP mail theft is internal. So were is the maturity? Were is the responsability? All I see are a bunch of overpaid criminals that can't even do their job properly.
are you kidding? 50% of all CP mail theft is internal. So were is the maturity? Were is the responsability? All I see are a bunch of overpaid criminals that can't even do their job properly.
Years ago I worked with a guy that had been fired from the Brampton? sorting plant for stealing,and what he described was bad.A dozen thiefs going at it can do a fair bit.They were looking for packages from warm places.Washroom floor knee high in wrapping paper.Apparently that has changed,there must be many who need that job to support a family that wouldn't steal.
mouth
03-06-2011, 04:52 PM
My apologies for so many quotes but, I haven't been checking this as regularly as I should have been. ;)
Canada Post was also the setting for one of the most controversial labour rulings of recent years. After several prosecutions for theft at its Mississauga's Gateway Postal Facility, the union won a ruling from a labour board that the workers involved could not be dismissed as the length of the investigation exceeded the ten-day limit in the collective agreement under which any allegation of misconduct had to be brought to the attention of the worker. Although the ruling was reversed on appeal, the Court of Appeal for Ontario ruled that although the decision may have been incorrect, it was not so totally without merit that the labour board's decision should be overturned. The court noted the language was in the collective agreement to keep supervisors from holding infractions over the head of a worker indefinitely.[16]
What?! That's retarded! But it shows how unions protect people that shouldn't be protected. They stole yet the union wouldn't let them go. How do you even DEFEND that?!!
http://www.glassdoor.com/Salary/Canada-Post-Salaries-E8747.htm
Canada post mail carrier avg 23 bucks an hour. If I lived in Toronto, after taxes, I think I would be having a hard time.
One thing which I find odd is that critics of unions essentially attack unions because unions give employees a better life. They look at said union employee, say, "my he makes more money than me and his job is easier and I went to school and spent thousands of dollars and I can't find a decent paying job that isn't union" .. Hmm so instead of joining a union (since they apparently let employees have better lives), they decide to attack and destroy unions instead. Which is sad since seemingly the existence of unions is the only hope these underpaid belly-achers have for a better life?
If I'm confused please correct me but...is it just me or do people not understand what "average" means? If the "average" starting wage is $23/hour, that doesn't mean Toronto workers start at that! It's an average of every market - it's not stating the "top" starting wage. Toronto might start at $29/hour where as the town I live in may start at $18.
You remind me a lot of Fox news
23 $ / hr is a good second income for the home but it would be hard to own a house ( unless you bought in the 90's :) ) pay the bills and put food on the table for your family.
Everybody loses when there is a strike.
I make just over $20/hour (I'm salaried but that's what it breaks down to...if you don't include any of my "unpaid" overtime). I bought a house in 2007. Yes, it would be harder with kids and all that but, the $23/hour is the average starting wage...thus implying people who are new to the job. I would assume (and, maybe I'm wrong to do so) that most of them aren't at the "buying a house and having a family" stage of their lives. And, hey, if you can't afford a house, don't buy one!
Even if 1 less piece of mail is going to Canadian households on a daily basis, there are more houses being built every day and more people being born and entering the country every day. I think that likely offsets your 17%.
CP can comfortably downsize their workforce as necessary through employee retirement.
Maybe they need to trim off the management fat?
Actually, I went through the research he was talking about. Basically since 2006, the amount of stuff going through the postal service is down 17% so, that would account for new homes and new people. Simply, there just isn't as much mail going through the system as there used to be. Email, e-billing...all that fun stuff would be to blame. I'm sure they COULD downsize some of their management but they could ALSO downsize some of their workers. It wouldn't be anymore fair to get rid of just managers than to get rid of just employees.
As many have said here, when taking a job like a letter carrier, one sacrifices their education and training for the number of years they are in this letter carriers position and thus have no real portable skill set to transfer to another job if they get laid off. With that said..Should they not be compensated with a decent wage and some job security for the sacrifice they are making?
It's a choice they make. And, just because you choose a career that doesn't require the same skill level as a lot of other careers, doesn't mean you can't better yourself. How about night school, for instance? I'm not 100% on this but, I believe I've read that government employees have opportunities to upgrade skills (through schooling) and be reimbursed for part of the cost. I could be wrong on that...but I'm reasonably sure those programs are out there.
mouth
03-06-2011, 04:54 PM
If being a letter carrier paid shit with no job security who would you get?If you want some maturity at the site you have to expect to pay a decent wage.I don't expect to get anybody responsible who doesn't expect somewhere in the 20-30 dollar range.You don't pay and you will get shit.
You wouldn't be able to get anyone to do the job. Thus, they'd have to change those hiring policies. However, that would be a different than the reasons for the current strike.
If I'm confused please correct me but...is it just me or do people not understand what "average" means? If the "average" starting wage is $23/hour, that doesn't mean Toronto workers start at that! It's an average of every market - it's not stating the "top" starting wage. Toronto might start at $29/hour where as the town I live in may start at $18.
23 is not the average 'starting wage' , it's the average wage in Canada of a letter carrier.
I believe it said the range was from 22 dollars per hour to 24.
Maybe I am wrong, which resource are you basing your numbers on?
LonelyBedouin
03-06-2011, 09:29 PM
So, from the Canadapost website it says only hamiltons postal service is on strike right now? As I got my mail this morning. Is the rest of the service going on strike?
natenator
03-06-2011, 09:31 PM
http://www.eluta.ca/einfo?nt=Postal+Service&en=Canada+Post+Corporation&ri=39212ce27c291e29d31a11b23f3549d8&rk=bfcb4f280dd66ef2911254e86968f018
Canada Post Corporation provides new employees with coverage under its benefits plan. New employees receive three weeks of paid vacation allowance after their first year. The potential for career advancement is listed as excellent. The average starting salary falls within the $45,001 - $50,000 range. The most suitable methods for initial contact are through the corporation's website or via email, fax or mail. Canada Post Corporation does hire co-op work term and summer students.
23 is not the average 'starting wage' , it's the average wage in Canada of a letter carrier.
I believe it said the range was from 22 dollars per hour to 24.
Maybe I am wrong, which resource are you basing your numbers on?
If our cost of living wasn't so high we wouldn't need to pay gov employees as much.People can see that it takes two people working to be able to afford a home and have one or two children.When I was a kid hardly any mothers worked.When we have to start telling people that they just shouldn't think about owning a home or having children something is very wrong.
moh2010
03-06-2011, 10:15 PM
So, from the Canadapost website it says only hamiltons postal service is on strike right now? As I got my mail this morning. Is the rest of the service going on strike?
Their second step is the whole Ontario... After that, more provinces will join. That's what I heard on the radio
natenator
03-06-2011, 10:17 PM
You and your annoying edits lol
I knew you'd bring up managememt which is why i nevee said where the reduction of work force should come from but you automatically go to the management side of things.
How not surprising that's your one dimensional thought process..
Even if 1 less piece of mail is going to Canadian households on a daily basis, there are more houses being built every day and more people being born and entering the country every day. I think that likely offsets your 17%.
CP can comfortably downsize their workforce as necessary through employee retirement.
Maybe they need to trim off the management fat?
natenator
03-06-2011, 10:20 PM
We've had a housing boom in this country in the past 10-15 years all the while a decline in market demand for Canada Post services so your theory doesnt really hold water. Do you have a problem with Canada Post reducing its work force by 17% until such a time when the market demand for their services has increased?
Still waiting BAM...
rob66679
04-06-2011, 12:48 AM
If being a letter carrier paid shit with no job security who would you get?If you want some maturity at the site you have to expect to pay a decent wage.I don't expect to get anybody responsible who doesn't expect somewhere in the 20-30 dollar range.You don't pay and you will get shit.
If you pay peanuts, you'll get monkeys..... Seen it first hand.
rob66679
04-06-2011, 12:53 AM
If our cost of living wasn't so high we wouldn't need to pay gov employees as much.People can see that it takes two people working to be able to afford a home and have one or two children.When I was a kid hardly any mothers worked.When we have to start telling people that they just shouldn't think about owning a home or having children something is very wrong.
I've seen numbers that say the middle and lower class are much worse off than they were 30 years ago...... Minimum wage in 1970's dollars went a lot further back then compared to what minimum wage will buy you today you today...... Middle class is shrinking fast too.
So, the strike issue is about 3.5% this year followed by 2.5% for the next two years?
Pretty standard numbers aren't they?
http://www.eluta.ca/einfo?nt=Postal+Service&en=Canada+Post+Corporation&ri=39212ce27c291e29d31a11b23f3549d8&rk=bfcb4f280dd66ef2911254e86968f018
Canada Post Corporation provides new employees with coverage under its benefits plan. New employees receive three weeks of paid vacation allowance after their first year. The potential for career advancement is listed as excellent. The average starting salary falls within the $45,001 - $50,000 range. The most suitable methods for initial contact are through the corporation's website or via email, fax or mail. Canada Post Corporation does hire co-op work term and summer students.
Exactly.
Sounds like a terrible place to work for someone who needs no special training or skills to work there. Must be awful.
Awfully ****ing LUCKY. That is an unreal salary considering the work requirements. As I have already said, they should stfu already and be thankful for what they have. This world is full of too many people who dont appreciate anything. ****.
For a starting wage it is high.After 10 years it doesn't change that much I would think
Aar0n
04-06-2011, 03:40 PM
When the average home costs $200,000 in my city, 41,000k-50,000k\year isn't much.
Does anyone have a prediction when the strike will end..?
http://www.capebretonpost.com/News/Canada%20-%20World/2011-06-04/article-2559351/Canada-Post-says-its-operations-not-affected-by-rotating-strikes/1 (http://www.capebretonpost.com/News/Canada%20-%20World/2011-06-04/article-2559351/Canada-Post-says-its-operations-not-affected-by-rotating-strikes/1)
gicantor
04-06-2011, 07:13 PM
When the average home costs $200,000 in my city, 41,000k-50,000k\year isn't much.
So then they shouldn't buy a 200k house. Are we suppose to overpay people because they can't afford a house? Maybe they should try living within their means.
Aar0n
04-06-2011, 07:36 PM
Property taxes, food, realestate\property, hydro, water, rent, minimum wage, trips to the dentist, education, sports enrollment...Everything is going up. Maybe I will get descriminated, but that is ok. It is hard for myself to put down the Postal Workers and critisize their strike as being selfish, lazy, and non educated. Like someone mentioned in another post, we all have our purpose in society. I do not know much about the process of mail and the work that is included for mail dillivery. However, if the postal workers want to strike for a higher wage, i'll support it. Life is exspensive and the minute we wake up the financial meter starts. Maybe the Postal Workers are over-paid in some people's opinion. Perhaps they are due for a raise. On a business perspective, Canada Post is a huge organization which a lot of people depend on. The workers for their income and the people sending out their mail. If their is a consistent and domant fuss with the wage across their workers, maybe it is a good idea Canada Post assesses the situation. Maybe it's a wake up call. The same goes for you, and your job. For the teachers or the janitors working at the Hospitals. Without the workers, there will be no bussiness. If it were me running Canada Post.. I would push retirement on the people who are eligable. Cut backs forsure. And in return, workers will be paid more an hour. A lot of people feel as if snail mail will soon be obsalete. I feel the same way.. And we are seeing this now with Block Buster. Public libraries, pay phones on the street etc.
So then they shouldn't buy a 200k house. Are we suppose to overpay people because they can't afford a house? Maybe they should try living within their means.
As I said before,houses prices have gone up in relation to salaries in the past few years.Maybe that is something that should be addressed,owning a home was an expectation when your parents were young gicantor,was your father in a union by chance?
gicantor
04-06-2011, 08:32 PM
As I said before,houses prices have gone up in relation to salaries in the past few years.Maybe that is something that should be addressed,owning a home was an expectation when your parents were young gicantor,was your father in a union by chance?
I have no idea if he has been or is currently in a union.
Is that because you are a bastard?
;)
rob66679
04-06-2011, 11:43 PM
Exactly.
Sounds like a terrible place to work for someone who needs no special training or skills to work there. Must be awful.
Awfully ****ing LUCKY. That is an unreal salary considering the work requirements. As I have already said, they should stfu already and be thankful for what they have. This world is full of too many people who dont appreciate anything. ****.
I think your assuming that they all have no education relating to their skills..... Theres a lot of people besides the person at the counter, or the letter carriers...... They have skilled trades maintaining their fleets, and you would think mid-upper management probably has a university education.
Look at it this way bro, if CP can still turn a profit with the wages it pays, and be competitive, how much are companys like Fed-ex or Purolator sticking to their Employees?
Would you rather see the 1% at the top get richer, or the rest get their 10% over 3 years?
So CP has guys making $20 an hour delivering letters, so what..... It still costs under a buck to send a letter, and I wouldn't want to trade places with him.
I say good for him.
rob66679
04-06-2011, 11:46 PM
So then they shouldn't buy a 200k house. Are we suppose to overpay people because they can't afford a house? Maybe they should try living within their means.
Who decides what is overpaid? They still outcompete everybody else.
Is CP a Government subsidized company?
natenator
05-06-2011, 07:21 AM
The point is unions like CP hold the public ransom just like teachers do. They use their strike in an attempt to habe public pressure put on mamagement negotiators to give in because who wants to see little old granny on TV without their CPP cheque or some war veteran without his.
Additionally, theres been a 17% decline in market demand for CP yet they want job security and more money. In my world, i get more money if i am more valuable to my company - that is if i can help make them more money, save them mony of a combination to both. No company should be giving ANY employee a wage increase unless its earned and earned means your are doing your best to make said company more profitable. Its called a free market.
So i say once they negiotiate a new CBB that CP lays off 17% of its work force. If the demand is less then so should be the employee base to service it.
I dont have a proble with any person making more money. What i have a problem with is a unilateral raise in wages and for those who dont deserve it. And if you have a problem with your employer not paying you what you think you are worth then you have an option of going amd finding a new job that will pay you what you think you're worth but most people in unions have NO marketable skills and cant go find jobs elsewhere making the same amount of money. They know this so their hold their employeer ransom in attempt to get it from them.
I think your assuming that they all have no education relating to their skills..... Theres a lot of people besides the person at the counter, or the letter carriers...... They have skilled trades maintaining their fleets, and you would think mid-upper management probably has a university education.
Look at it this way bro, if CP can still turn a profit with the wages it pays, and be competitive, how much are companys like Fed-ex or Purolator sticking to their Employees?
Would you rather see the 1% at the top get richer, or the rest get their 10% over 3 years?
So CP has guys making $20 an hour delivering letters, so what..... It still costs under a buck to send a letter, and I wouldn't want to trade places with him.
I say good for him.
natenator
05-06-2011, 07:27 AM
Hlw do they outcompete everyone else? Because they offer a lower price for their product?
No, they outcompete everyone else because we're forced to use them if we want to send letter mail. Open up the other companies to lt them carry mail and we'll see how competitive CP is.
Tim hortons has a lower price for coffee yet theres a reason why Starbucks, Second Cup exist and do very well even while offering a more expensive product and it has nothing really to do with the product because lets face it coffee is coffee. Its service.
Price has **** all to do with competitiveness of an offering.
The point is unions like CP hold the public ransom just like teachers do. They use their strike in an attempt to habe public pressure put on mamagement negotiators to give in because who wants to see little old granny on TV without their CPP cheque or some war veteran without his.
Hey Nate.. It is not the unions that are holding the public 'ransom' as you say.. It is Canada Post.
Your anger is aimed at the wrong individuals.
Hlw do they outcompete everyone else? Because they offer a lower price for their product?
No, they outcompete everyone else because we're forced to use them if we want to send letter mail. Open up the other companies to lt them carry mail and we'll see how competitive CP is.
Tim hortons has a lower price for coffee yet theres a reason why Starbucks, Second Cup exist and do very well even while offering a more expensive product and it has nothing really to do with the product because lets face it coffee is coffee. Its service.
Price has **** all to do with competitiveness of an offering.
Ok.. now you are attacking coffee.. something sacred to me
Tim Hortons coffee sucks shit. Their employees are useless at the non-union franchises while at the unionized Tim hortons, the service is way way better. That is for sure. Thank you Nate for mentioning Tim Hortons as you have helped drive my point home about getting what you pay for when it comes to employees. That is definitely something I can compare the service of when it comes to union vs non-union.
Starbucks coffee is better. and even though the service is terrible there because everyone is ordering some sort of masterpiece that takes 10 minutes to prepare, the environment is nicer as the price of coffee there keeps the mouth breathers and snot nozed leg draggers and squid-billies that hang out at Tim Hortons, away from there. That is why people go to Starbucks. (plus the wifi). The reason I do not go to starbucks for a 'normal coffee', is because I do not enjoy having to pay high prices for coffee and then have to put all the milk and sweetener in myself, I mean wtf is that?
natenator
05-06-2011, 08:40 AM
Hey Nate.. It is not the unions that are holding the public 'ransom' as you say.. It is Canada Post.
Your anger is aimed at the wrong individuals.
CP union is part of Canada Post.
And im not angry in the least. I make or made (unemployed now lol) way more than most unionized employees and have a marketable skill that i've worked tirelessly to develop therefore i am highly employable to work almost anywhere - even at Canada Posted if i wanted. Most union employees are stuck in the job they have and probably hate because they have no marketable skill to go find something better thus they lash out to force the hand of others to get paid more. Thats how kids act.
natenator
05-06-2011, 08:45 AM
Again, im not attacking anything. Im pointing out a difference. I love coffee too and prefer Tim Hortons coffee but their service IS shit and i've experienced both unionized and nonunionized. Its not shit all the time (goes for both union and non union) but the inconsistency in their service is what's crap. Starbucks and the like have very consistent service across all stores regardless of the wage.
Ok.. now you are attacking coffee.. something sacred to me
Tim Hortons coffee sucks shit. Their employees are useless at the non-union franchises while at the unionized Tim hortons, the service is way way better. That is for sure. Thank you Nate for mentioning Tim Hortons as you have helped drive my point home about getting what you pay for when it comes to employees. That is definitely something I can compare the service of when it comes to union vs non-union.
Starbucks coffee is better. and even though the service is terrible there because everyone is ordering some sort of masterpiece that takes 10 minutes to prepare, the environment is nicer as the price of coffee there keeps the mouth breathers and snot nozed leg draggers and squid-billies that hang out at Tim Hortons, away from there. That is why people go to Starbucks. (plus the wifi). The reason I do not go to starbucks for a 'normal coffee', is because I do not enjoy having to pay high prices for coffee and then have to put all the milk and sweetener in myself, I mean wtf is that?
CP union is part of Canada Post.
And im not angry in the least. I make or made (unemployed now lol) way more than most unionized employees and have a marketable skill that i've worked tirelessly to develop therefore i am highly employable to work almost anywhere
If your skills are so marketable, why are you unemployed?
natenator
05-06-2011, 09:01 AM
I quit my job to go back to school and pursue medical school.
Soon it will be DR.NATENATOR :)
natenator
05-06-2011, 11:38 AM
NUrse
Have a problem with Nurses BAM?
You don't want to be a nurse Nate.
Nate probably has big meaty hands, making prostate exams and massages could be a bit bronco.
natenator
05-06-2011, 02:21 PM
You don't want to be a nurse Nate.
I dont habe any intentions of becoming a nurse.
rob66679
05-06-2011, 05:12 PM
The point is unions like CP hold the public ransom just like teachers do. They use their strike in an attempt to habe public pressure put on mamagement negotiators to give in because who wants to see little old granny on TV without their CPP cheque or some war veteran without his.
Additionally, theres been a 17% decline in market demand for CP yet they want job security and more money. In my world, i get more money if i am more valuable to my company - that is if i can help make them more money, save them mony of a combination to both. No company should be giving ANY employee a wage increase unless its earned and earned means your are doing your best to make said company more profitable. Its called a free market.
So i say once they negiotiate a new CBB that CP lays off 17% of its work force. If the demand is less then so should be the employee base to service it.
I dont have a proble with any person making more money. What i have a problem with is a unilateral raise in wages and for those who dont deserve it. And if you have a problem with your employer not paying you what you think you are worth then you have an option of going amd finding a new job that will pay you what you think you're worth but most people in unions have NO marketable skills and cant go find jobs elsewhere making the same amount of money. They know this so their hold their employeer ransom in attempt to get it from them.
Collective bargaining is bullshit, I'll give you that. It does bring good men down, and lazy idiots get to go along for the ride.... been there, seen it, really pisses me off.
As far as teaching goes though, where I live they start out around 35K, and thats after 6 years of University.
Most go through years of subbing at 100 bucks a day, with no guarantee of work, because the Universitys pump out far more graduates than there are openings for..... So yeah, once they get in their Union makes them virtually bullet-proof ( and that is a SERIOUS problem ) but its by no means an easy buck.... Kids that were institutionalized when we were kids are now in the classroom with everybody else, they call it inclusion...... So basically you could wind up with 30 12- year olds, some of whom are maybe autistic and shit themselves, as well as being non-verbal.
I wouldn't recommend teaching to anybody, even if you get a month and a half off in the summer.
rob66679
05-06-2011, 05:14 PM
Hlw do they outcompete everyone else? Because they offer a lower price for their product?
No, they outcompete everyone else because we're forced to use them if we want to send letter mail. Open up the other companies to lt them carry mail and we'll see how competitive CP is.
Tim hortons has a lower price for coffee yet theres a reason why Starbucks, Second Cup exist and do very well even while offering a more expensive product and it has nothing really to do with the product because lets face it coffee is coffee. Its service.
Price has **** all to do with competitiveness of an offering.
Yeah, I guess in this situation where CP basically has a monopoly it isn't a fair comparison.
So what does somebody like Fed-ex charge to send a large envelope across the country?
natenator
05-06-2011, 05:20 PM
Yeah, I guess in this situation where CP basically has a monopoly it isn't a fair comparison.
So what does somebody like Fed-ex charge to send a large envelope across the country?
Im not 100% sure but if i recall its more than CP. Fedex picks up and actually delivers and if they screw up they not only refund the money you paid for the package but they'll comp the fee as well.
Service is high as it is for UPS, DHL etc and local carriers. If CP had a quality service they wouldnt be losing business to the likes of fedex, ups, etc.
Comparing CP to the USPS, US havent had a strike since the 70's if i recall correctly
MuSuLPhReAk
15-06-2011, 12:52 AM
Canada Post has just escalated the strike to a lockout. No mail anywhere.
moh2010
15-06-2011, 07:22 AM
Canada Post has just escalated the strike to a lockout. No mail anywhere.
I hope it wont last long as I'm expecting a check and bb.com order in the mail today...
In the West.. If a work force gets big enough, it is going to unionize, no matter who it is. No matter which mail carrier it is.
So it looks as if these talentless dick lickers are actually striking cross country now. They should replace all their jobs with immigrants who hold masters degrees that drive cabs because of language barriers.
Way to not be appreciative of your no talent, zero skill required job that STILL pays you MUCH better than the average Canadian. Do us all a favour and kill yourselves so we can replace you with someone who does appreciate the job.
faller
15-06-2011, 04:44 PM
Gov. is tabling back to work legislation as we speak.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/ottawa-vows-to-legislate-an-end-to-canada-post-labour-dispute/article2062021/
http://www.vancouversun.com/business/Feds+move+force+Canada+Post+dispute/4947167/story.html
So it looks as if these talentless dick lickers are actually striking cross country now. They should replace all their jobs with immigrants who hold masters degrees that drive cabs because of language barriers.
Way to not be appreciative of your no talent, zero skill required job that STILL pays you MUCH better than the average Canadian. Do us all a favour and kill yourselves so we can replace you with someone who does appreciate the job.
Why don't you just use one of the other mail carriers that you like? Problem solved.
It probably uses less energy than whining.
Kinda weird that you resent so much that they are doing well for themselves. Shouldn't you try to get in on some union goodness?
I mean.. It sounds like it's kicking your non-union jobs ass by the way you bawl your eyes out.
natenator
15-06-2011, 05:39 PM
Its kind of weird that you resent Jews so much for having done so well for themselves. Shouldnt you try to convert and get in on the jewish goodness? The way you droan on about jews it sounds like they're kicking your non-jewish ass all over the place.
Want me to do one with cops top? :D
Why don't you just use one of the other mail carriers that you like? Problem solved.
It probably uses less energy than whining.
Kinda weird that you resent so much that they are doing well for themselves. Shouldn't you try to get in on some union goodness?
I mean.. It sounds like it's kicking your non-union jobs ass by the way you bawl your eyes out.
^^^^^ bahahahahahaha. Possibly one of the best posts of all time.
PWNED!
exactly you ignorant bastard. this thread is about CP, am I not allowed to post about them in the thread thats made about them?
Maybe if you spent as much time reading and trying to better yourself rather than hating and looking for reasons to bash jews for being successful, you might also actually be yourself.
I do not resent Jews really. I resent my own race for being stupid. I admire the Jews. I wish my own race mirrored them in some ways.
Why are you guys bringing up Jews again? Did you not read MusclePhreak's warning?
And you are right, I should have been a cop. I wouldn't pass the physical though...unfortunately, my dick is too big.
Its kind of weird that you resent Jews so much for having done so well for themselves. Shouldnt you try to convert and get in on the jewish goodness? The way you drone on about jews it sounds like they're kicking your non-jewish ass all over the place.
Want me to do one with cops top? :D
Again, not sure what Canada post has to do with Jews?
Of course you are welcome to post, just as I am welcome to point out your buffoonery.
Better myself? Who would be the judge of that? you? Can an ant judge a dolphin?
Bwhaha ..I think not.
^^^^^ bahahahahahaha. Possibly one of the best posts of all time.
PWNED!
exactly you ignorant bastard. this thread is about CP, am I not allowed to post about them in the thread thats made about them?
Maybe if you spent as much time reading and trying to better yourself rather than hating and looking for reasons to bash jews for being successful, you might also actually be yourself.
faller
15-06-2011, 11:52 PM
I wouldn't pass the physical though...unfortunately, my dick is too big.
Just having a dick disqualifies you for the job. Pretty sure you have to be a bitch assed chip on your shoulder donut munching wannabe to qualify.
massmachine
16-06-2011, 01:38 PM
unfortunately, my dick is too big.
Good thing your boyfriend has a big asshole so you don't hurt him...
I never said I had a big dick, just too big to pass the cop physical.
ironwill
16-06-2011, 03:20 PM
Im sure youre joking faller.....I personally know that from experience, i have seen some of the biggest talkers, and wanna be bad asses have some burly fellow knock on their door at a dark hour in the evening....Because of course they were talking shit about things they shouldnt have..These guys were cop haters, probably jew haters for all i know, may have even been jehova witnesses, or made love to one....I am not sure.....
What i am sure of was they called 911 faster than you can say pass me a pure pork weiner, and send me a case of kosher onions via canada post....
Just mentioning a typical thing i see with folks that hate cops....
FYI, i have no ties to boys in blue, just my collar is blue, and i run union jobs as non unionized staff and have never been looking for work........lol...hows that for all in one post...
BTW, i was masterbating to Massys avi, and lost wood about 8 seconds in....wtf....
ironwill
16-06-2011, 04:44 PM
^^ i got wood 8 seconds in
You stole mine, give it back......Ah, nevermind....bad idea...:shock
C'mon now,you guys know you have to be a good boy when you talk to the policeman.
rob66679
16-06-2011, 06:43 PM
So it looks as if these talentless dick lickers are actually striking cross country now. They should replace all their jobs with immigrants who hold masters degrees that drive cabs because of language barriers.
Way to not be appreciative of your no talent, zero skill required job that STILL pays you MUCH better than the average Canadian. Do us all a favour and kill yourselves so we can replace you with someone who does appreciate the job.
For whats its worth they were locked out, CP made the call not the Union.
I saw yesterday that the Union offered to return to work during the negotiating process, on the terms of the previous contract..... CP refused.
I also saw a claim from a Union rep that CP has been profitable for 15 consecutive years, and turned a profit of over 1.5 Billion during that time.
Thoughts anybody?
rob66679
16-06-2011, 06:45 PM
In the West.. If a work force gets big enough, it is going to unionize, no matter who it is. No matter which mail carrier it is.
This is why Klien came up with that clac BS..... Isn't it?
Kind of a fake Union?
So it looks as if these talentless dick lickers are actually striking cross country now. They should replace all their jobs with immigrants who hold masters degrees that drive cabs because of language barriers.
Way to not be appreciative of your no talent, zero skill required job that STILL pays you MUCH better than the average Canadian. Do us all a favour and kill yourselves so we can replace you with someone who does appreciate the job.
I think a far better use for these cabbies with degrees would be to make the associations that dentists,accountantants,engineers and lawyers use to maintain their artificially high fees disband.Then they could be more gainfully employed and a true free market would be closer to reality.Apparently more than a million Indians have a good knowledge of English common law.Just look at the battle to open up the MLS recently...
For whats its worth they were locked out, CP made the call not the Union.
I saw yesterday that the Union offered to return to work during the negotiating process, on the terms of the previous contract..... CP refused.
I also saw a claim from a Union rep that CP has been profitable for 15 consecutive years, and turned a profit of over 1.5 Billion during that time.
Thoughts anybody?
Can union reps actually look at the books?Does this take into account the pensions?Apparently Air Canada pays more people pension benefits than salary...
faller
16-06-2011, 09:23 PM
Curious as to what you do for a living cog...
Oooh,didn't like that one eh?I'm a contractor,I use skidsteers to dig out driveways,garages,ectera on mostly new homes and form it up and place the rebar for concrete.I went to a small college to become a radio tech and did that for many years until stupid gov programs to import radio techs from all over the world and the rise of the cell phone combined with miniaturization killed that business.So as you can see I get no protection.
faller
17-06-2011, 12:37 AM
Whats to like? Its the same old rhetoric "use to maintain their artificially high fees". You have no idea what you're talking about. Reason why i asked what you do for a living is because those kinds of comments come from a certain demographic, i was just curious which one you fit into.
As to the MLS, if you have a grasp on that situation you are a better man than me or my wife, and she's a realtor and she says it is so complicated that she doesn't even try to understand it anymore... But it sure sounded impressive finishing off your little rant with that last sentence :ji
Whats to like? Its the same old rhetoric "use to maintain their artificially high fees". You have no idea what you're talking about. Reason why i asked what you do for a living is because those kinds of comments come from a certain demographic, i was just curious which one you fit into.
As to the MLS, if you have a grasp on that situation you are a better man than me or my wife, and she's a realtor and she says it is so complicated that she doesn't even try to understand it anymore... But it sure sounded impressive finishing off your little rant with that last sentence :ji
Are you denying that these associations limit membership and suggest fee structures?And are you aware that doctors in North America make more money than in Europe?Why should we have sacred cows?If you could explain further it would be enlightening.
natenator
17-06-2011, 06:53 AM
Are you denying that these associations limit membership and suggest fee structures?And are you aware that doctors in North America make more money than in Europe?Why should we have sacred cows?If you could explain further it would be enlightening.
And are you aware Doctors in NA work more than those in Europe?
natenator
17-06-2011, 07:13 AM
what i find funny here is that its the people with little to no education who typicaly make these claims. Engineers must go through 4 years undergrad and another 5 years of working under a P.Eng with an additional lisc. exam to become certified. Thats a lot of training at A no to low salary level for a long period of time.
Dentists, 4 year undergrad followed by 4-5 year in Dental school followed by extensive written testing plus residency which is two years i think
Doctors, 4 years undergrad followed by 4 years in med school followed by 3-5 (or more) years in residency plus extensive lisc. Exam
All of the above require extensive liability insurance and with most Dr's and Dentists they have extensive overhead.
I have zero problems with their billings given all what one must go through to do their professions.
I think a far better use for these cabbies with degrees would be to make the associations that dentists,accountantants,engineers and lawyers use to maintain their artificially high fees disband.Then they could be more gainfully employed and a true free market would be closer to reality.Apparently more than a million Indians have a good knowledge of English common law.Just look at the battle to open up the MLS recently...
^^^So which one of those are you training to become?
faller
17-06-2011, 07:59 AM
Are you denying that these associations limit membership and suggest fee structures?And are you aware that doctors in North America make more money than in Europe?Why should we have sacred cows?If you could explain further it would be enlightening.
Enlightenment? How about this, people like you are bitter little pissants because you lack talent and ability to further themselves. You get angry when you see people excel and instead of trying to bring yourself up to their level you try to bring them down to yours.
A little less time whineing about other's success and a little more focus on how to improve your own situation would go a long way....Enlightening enough for ya??
what i find funny here is that its the people with little to no education who typicaly make these claims. Engineers must go through 4 years undergrad and another 5 years of working under a P.Eng with an additional lisc. exam to become certified. Thats a lot of training at A no to low salary level for a long period of time.
Dentists, 4 year undergrad followed by 4-5 year in Dental school followed by extensive written testing plus residency which is two years i think
Doctors, 4 years undergrad followed by 4 years in med school followed by 3-5 (or more) years in residency plus extensive lisc. Exam
All of the above require extensive liability insurance and with most Dr's and Dentists they have extensive overhead.
I have zero problems with their billings given all what one must go through to do their professions.
Their liability is in reality quite small.Have you ever tried to sue a doctor Nate?Bring money,lots of it and the lawyer will tell you your chances are minute,the nurses and other doctors cover for them.My neighbor of 25 years is a retired head operating room nurse,I know what can go on.As for your insinuation that your education gives you a better understanding of these matters,I recall you not being able to calculate an estimated yearly salary based on an hourly wage and you have a minor in mathematics,right?
natenator
17-06-2011, 08:34 AM
Well you could take it that way because that how you choose to take it but the actual context of my words are that those in the professions you outlined require extensive education and training and thus could rationalize why they make what they do, which on an hour per hour basis, is not a great leap more than some other professions. It would stand to reason why people without an education might conclude that these people make more than they should because they dont know what goes into obtaining the professions that they've chosen.
Have you ever tried to sue a Doctor? And no, i havent but i also have never rode a bull either but im not about to tell a bullrider how to do it based on some video's i watched and someone i talked to who was a bullrider for 25 years.
So nurses and Doctors cover for them, so pretty much the same as every other profession then eh?
Additionally i'd likely think the same as yourself if i hadnt been intimately familar with the extensive requirements behind some of these professions
Their liability is in reality quite small.Have you ever tried to sue a doctor Nate?Bring money,lots of it and the lawyer will tell you your chances are minute,the nurses and other doctors cover for them.My neighbor of 25 years is a retired head operating room nurse,I know what can go on.As for your insinuation that your education gives you a better understanding of these matters,I recall you not being able to calculate an estimated yearly salary based on an hourly wage and you have a minor in mathematics,right?
Last I heard the government was going to make a decision on Tuesday. Both parties will plea their case and they will pick the best one.
Enlightenment? How about this, people like you are bitter little pissants because you lack talent and ability to further themselves. You get angry when you see people excel and instead of trying to bring yourself up to their level you try to bring them down to yours.
A little less time whineing about other's success and a little more focus on how to improve your own situation would go a long way....Enlightening enough for ya??
Well well well,look who gets bitter when I mention that their wife is part of an association that has fought so hard to keep non members out and protect their position.This after you had so much fun kicking the little union people.Lack talent and ability,where did you get this?I haven't seen a paycheck since 1986,and my wife hasn't been able to work since 96,I can take care of myself,ok?You need to open your mind dude,the status quo is running this country into the ground and it needs to be examined,not just taken for granted.Open markets mean open markets.A little more time studying the situation instead of just resorting to debasing attacks might be more enlightening.
faller
17-06-2011, 10:25 AM
Where did you attack my wife??
faller
17-06-2011, 10:31 AM
And how does the fact that neither of you work or make any money strengthen your argument and weaken mine???
Dude,what are you smoking?Your wife is a realtor,right?By paycheck I mean from an employer.I've been a contractor since 86.
faller
17-06-2011, 11:26 PM
Dude,what are you smoking?
Nothing, but sure sucks when someone only reads what they want to see in someones post huh.
So my question remains, why so hateful of successful people?
BAM has asked why so many are hating on these posties.I think they should maybe contribute towards their pensions but no hate here.Now,as to those that artificially limit their numbers,we let plenty of people come here,why not doctors,lawyers and engineers from foreign countries?Maybe then we could get some real competition.But their associations throw up barriers to this.
Yeah, flood the market with doctors lawyers,engineers and other professionals from 3rd world countries. They will appreciate it more and work for less.
;)
natenator
18-06-2011, 09:16 AM
BAM has asked why so many are hating on these posties.I think they should maybe contribute towards their pensions but no hate here.Now,as to those that artificially limit their numbers,we let plenty of people come here,why not doctors,lawyers and engineers from foreign countries?Maybe then we could get some real competition.But their associations throw up barriers to this.
All they have to do is pass the lisc. exams to be qualified and they can work.
All they have to do is pass the lisc. exams to be qualified and they can work.
spme associations only admit so many a year Nate.
rob66679
18-06-2011, 10:44 PM
Yeah, flood the market with doctors lawyers,engineers and other professionals from 3rd world countries. They will appreciate it more and work for less.
;)
Interesting idea.
Kind of the reversal of what has been happening to the middle class with losing all of our manufacturing jobs.
rob66679
18-06-2011, 10:45 PM
spme associations only admit so many a year Nate.
Kind of like a trade Union lol.
natenator
19-06-2011, 07:53 AM
spme associations only admit so many a year Nate.
Which ones? And pls show proof, not just your rhetoric.
http://www.itlp.utoronto.ca/faq/#how-assess
http://www.cda-adc.ca/en/dental_profession/becoming/certification/general.asp
To become a lawyer you must article with an established firm.Obviously they are the gatekeepers.Dentistry only accepts Canadian or American trained dentists as coming from an accredited institution.
natenator
19-06-2011, 01:30 PM
http://www.itlp.utoronto.ca/faq/#how-assess
Seriously? Thats what you have to offer? Where's the link from the Canadian Bar Association stating they limit the number of application/exam writers from internationals?
How about from the College of Physicians? Or PEO (or another provincial association) or the Canadian Dental Association?
How about anything that actually backs up your statements?
http://www.engineerscanada.ca/e/pr_international_ieg_1.cfm
Seriously? Thats what you have to offer? Where's the link from the Canadian Bar Association stating they limit the number of application/exam writers from internationals?
How about from the College of Physicians? Or PEO (or another provincial association) or the Canadian Dental Association?
How about anything that actually backs up your statements?
Whether they limit people writing or being admitted to the bar the effect is the same.They limit their numbers and obviously they look after themselves first.If you read it you would see that a foreigner could very well have a difficult time getting in.They do the assesment.
natenator
19-06-2011, 01:37 PM
None of this backs up your claim of: spme associations only admit so many a year Nate.
For the record, i am not agreeing or disagreeing with you. I just want you to provide the proof for your statememts
natenator
19-06-2011, 01:39 PM
Whether they limit people writing or being admitted to the bar the effect is the same.They limit their numbers and obviously they look after themselves first.
Proof showing they limit their numbers please.
Then there is the matter of how many openings there are in the various accredited institutions.Obviously they don't want too many otherwise they would have a public outcry about these people not being accepted.
Proof showing they limit their numbers please.
They must article with an established firm.They are the gatekeepers.Dentistry only accepts Canadian or American trained.Read the engineering page.
Right at this moment I don't have the time to prove the sky is blue to you Nate.
natenator
19-06-2011, 01:59 PM
They must article with an established firm.They are the gatekeepers.Dentistry only accepts Canadian or American trained.Read the engineering page.
Regulatory laws are not the same as limiting numbers from people who arent Canadian.
I cannot practice medicine in the US without having gone to med school and writing the USMLE just as i cant practice in Germany without adhering to their accreditation procedures.
An Engineer in Canada cannot practice in the US even if they are certified in Canada (PEO or otherwise) without adhering to qualifications required to be an Engineer in the US and individual states.
natenator
19-06-2011, 02:02 PM
Right at this moment I don't have the time to prove the sky is blue to you Nate.
I know why the sky is blue. Is pretty simple physics...
faller
19-06-2011, 04:04 PM
Right at this moment I don't have the time to prove the sky is blue to you Nate.
Yet when gone unchallenged you have unlimited time to spiel endless rhetoric you try to pass off as fact.......
Yet when gone unchallenged you have unlimited time to spiel endless rhetoric you try to pass off as fact.......
I will have another look,I am quite certain that in Ontario the number of admissions to med school are pre determined.Then we can look at the anecdotal evidence.Constant shortage of doctors in the far north.Few in small cities.Less people then ever have a family doctor.And faller,I quite correctly pointed out that real estate companies were engaged in a battle to keep any person not registered as a real estate professional from listing on the MLS.Right?
Regulatory laws are not the same as limiting numbers from people who arent Canadian.
I cannot practice medicine in the US without having gone to med school and writing the USMLE just as i cant practice in Germany without adhering to their accreditation procedures.
An Engineer in Canada cannot practice in the US even if they are certified in Canada (PEO or otherwise) without adhering to qualifications required to be an Engineer in the US and individual states.
The science is that much different is it?
Ok,in Ontario they just issued the most med licences ever,international licences have tripled since 1997,20% more doctors in Ontario since 2000.They must be feeling the heat.In Alberta fewer people then ever have a family doc.
http://cpso.on.ca/
I just did a search on the Alberta site,an old doctor recently moved to within 5 miles of me,he started practice in 1965 and he is actually a white guy.
natenator
20-06-2011, 08:18 AM
Ok,in Ontario they just issued the most med licences ever,international licences have tripled since 1997,20% more doctors in Ontario since 2000.They must be feeling the heat.In Alberta fewer people then ever have a family doc.
http://cpso.on.ca/
Shortages in medicine have nothing to do with the College of Physicans and everythimg to do with gov't funding. Residency and to a large extent med school is subsidized. Roughly 10% of med school applicants dont get in (for one reason or another) because there isnt enough teaching available to accomodate the excess which then filters down to residency training and there's only so many spots available for that as well which to a large degree is tied to funding.
Dentists who went to school outsde of Canada are most certainly able to practice in Canada. Thry just need to meet the regulatory standards to be able to do so. As outlined:
NDEB Equivalency Process
The Equivalency Process provides an alternate route to certification as a dentist in Canada for graduates of non-accredited dental programs and is also integrated with the admission process for the Qualifying and Degree Completion Programs. The Equivalency Process is comprised of three Assessments. Successful completion of the Assessments allows individuals to apply to take the NDEB Written and OSCE Examinations. Canadian Faculties of Dentistry will also use results of select Assessments in the admission process for Qualifying and Degree Completion Programs.
Next, Engineers are the same. Education + exams, etc and proof of work under a Peng and they can be certified.
Blah blah blah. No one is preventing qualified people from other countries from working in Canada as long as they meet and pass the rules from the regulatory bodies just as Canadians must do if they want to work in another country.
There was a case here in Calgary where a woman who had been a practicing dentist in Scotland was two or three times flunked on the assessment and she went to the papers in desperation.They were sending a signal,that it was not an automatic green to come here from a foreign or even western nation and get in.it says clearly on that dental link that I provided that marks are not the only consideration.
natenator
20-06-2011, 10:19 AM
If a person (Canadian, US or otherwise) can't pass the accreditation exams then why do you want that person to be lisc to practice just because they have the education? People who get into med school don't automatically become Doctors once they are done school and residency. People who become P.Eng's don't become one after their undergrad and just because they worked 5 years under a P.Eng. There's tests they need to pass and this applies to anyone regardless of country of origin.
Are there outliers? Absolutely but lets not be foolish into thinking it's the norm.
I know of 3 Eurpoean born Engineers who 3 years later are still trying to get certified here in Ontario. Why? Because we have requirements from school that they don't have over there so they need to pick up these courses before they can apply for their credentials to be recognized in Canada (then they'll still have to write the ethics and certification exam). Nothing is as black and white as what others or media would have you believe.
And there is also the big problem Nate,you have to be a Canadian citizen....
natenator
20-06-2011, 03:10 PM
And there is also the big problem Nate,you have to be a Canadian citizen....
Are you hard of reading or just a complete and utter moron? You don't need to be Canadian. Do some god damn research and stop being an absolute troll. You look like a foolish old crank when you make ignorant statements without ANY knowledge on the reality of the situation. Just shut up on topics you don't have a CLUE about or provide proof of your idiotic claims.
To be an engineer you must be a Canadian citizen or permanent resident.Read the link I provided.
If these associations didn't make it difficult there would not be trained people having such difficulty entering these professions.By hook or by crook they make it difficult for outsiders.If you expect to just read these sites and have them clearly state their position on this you are quite naive.I don't really care what extra courses these associations feel foreigners need,the expertise here does not add up to any special skills,ask any engineer and they will tell you American trained are far superior...and they have the attitude to go with it.
natenator
20-06-2011, 05:49 PM
To be an engineer you must be a Canadian citizen or permanent resident.Read the link I provided.
Of course you need to be a Canadian citizen which is not the same as you claiming they only let some internationals practice here in Canada.
Spin your crap however you want. You have NOTHING to back up your statement. Absolutely nothing.
natenator
20-06-2011, 05:54 PM
If these associations didn't make it difficult there would not be trained people having such difficulty entering these professions.By hook or by crook they make it difficult for outsiders.If you expect to just read these sites and have them clearly state their position on this you are quite naive.I don't really care what extra courses these associations feel foreigners need,the expertise here does not add up to any special skills,ask any engineer and they will tell you American trained are far superior...and they have the attitude to go with it.
They make it just as friggin difficult for Canadians as well.
Give up Stating your opinion as fact. You look like an idiot.
It's an assessment shared by many level headed people and the reason we fare so poorly in our ability to innovate and manufacture leading edge products and health care costs are out of control.Too much protection from the real world.This you cannot deny so quit ignoring the obvious.
mouth
21-06-2011, 06:30 AM
So....how 'bout that postal lockout?
natenator
21-06-2011, 07:09 AM
It's an assessment shared by many level headed people and the reason we fare so poorly in our ability to innovate and manufacture leading edge products and health care costs are out of control.Too much protection from the real world.This you cannot deny so quit ignoring the obvious.
Plenty of companies in Canada are doing very well at innovating and lots did well in the past but failed to continue. The decline in manufacturing has everything to do with unions and taxes.
As for health care costs, do you know what private health centres cost? I do because i've forked out my own cash for various types of imaging and let me tell you its not cheap. Health care isn't cheap no matter which way you slice it and frankly is far more complex than you or i can even fathom.
Additionally, you still need to either shut up or put up when it comes to making statememts and from now on anytime you make a comment on something you really should cite sources as proof because im sure most people like myself will just assume you've made it up.
natenator
21-06-2011, 07:13 AM
So....how 'bout that postal lockout?
Too back for the back to work legislation. I say keep the strike going and we'll just see how valued they are.
I know I sure miss them. I had a big package come in from Texas and they used UPS - cost me $330 and the last time I used USPS it cost me $80 - ( All duties and service charges )
Too back for the back to work legislation. I say keep the strike going and we'll just see how valued they are.
More importantly.. we need a strategy to keep out/remove douche-bags from our pool of medical professionals.
natenator
21-06-2011, 08:08 AM
More importantly.. we need a strategy to keep out/remove douche-bags from our pool of medical professionals.
I agree. There are lots.
Plenty of companies in Canada are doing very well at innovating and lots did well in the past but failed to continue. The decline in manufacturing has everything to do with unions and taxes.
As for health care costs, do you know what private health centres cost? I do because i've forked out my own cash for various types of imaging and let me tell you its not cheap. Health care isn't cheap no matter which way you slice it and frankly is far more complex than you or i can even fathom.
Additionally, you still need to either shut up or put up when it comes to making statememts and from now on anytime you make a comment on something you really should cite sources as proof because im sure most people like myself will just assume you've made it up.
It's all there in the links I provided Nate.Or is this also about the CIA in Syria?From what I understand our taxes on business are quite attractive,I see dirt cheap labour in sweatshops in foreign lands as being the problem,greedy internationals can make more money exploiting these people so they move business to these locations.Any source for these statements Nate or are you just repeating the opinion of some smarty pants type?And I for one count on CP to deliver mail and cheques.
rob66679
21-06-2011, 07:32 PM
Plenty of companies in Canada are doing very well at innovating and lots did well in the past but failed to continue. The decline in manufacturing has everything to do with unions and taxes.
As for health care costs, do you know what private health centres cost? I do because i've forked out my own cash for various types of imaging and let me tell you its not cheap. Health care isn't cheap no matter which way you slice it and frankly is far more complex than you or i can even fathom.
Additionally, you still need to either shut up or put up when it comes to making statememts and from now on anytime you make a comment on something you really should cite sources as proof because im sure most people like myself will just assume you've made it up.
Unions and taxes, or free trade and greed.
The Republicans in the states, particularly the tea party, make that claim but in reality taxes there are at their lowest levels in 50 years.
bcaamuscle
22-06-2011, 06:13 AM
This subject has become pretty hush hush on globe and on cbc.ca, I wonder if it's in order to stifle public support for the union. When were they supposed to be legislated back to work?
I think the government goes on summer break June 23rd , so before then.
Plenty of companies in Canada are doing very well at innovating and lots did well in the past but failed to continue. The decline in manufacturing has everything to do with unions and taxes.
Once the global workforce is unionized and we stop collectively exploiting 3rd world people, this problem will be solved. That is what needs to happen.
natenator
22-06-2011, 07:55 AM
Once the global workforce is unionized and we stop collectively exploiting 3rd world people, this problem will be solved. That is what needs to happen.
And then we'll start paying 10x more for products thus halting the economy to a stand still.
Do you shop at walmart, canadian tire, dollar stores, etc? If so, you're comtributing to that which you are against.
And then we'll start paying 10x more for products thus halting the economy to a stand still.
Good.. then we can crucify all the money-changers, have a big bon-fire, and dismantle the machine.
faller
22-06-2011, 08:39 AM
I wonder if it's in order to stifle public support for the union.
Lol, what public support?. The only one's supporting them are other unions and even that is a stretch.
I've heard the posties are going to have rallies to garner public support, i found that rather amusing..
Mr Ontario
22-06-2011, 09:38 AM
Mail won't reume if your lucky till next Tuesday.
mouth
22-06-2011, 03:20 PM
More importantly.. we need a strategy to keep out/remove douche-bags from our pool of medical professionals.
haha...I think that's the first thing you've said in this thread that I agree with!!
This subject has become pretty hush hush on globe and on cbc.ca, I wonder if it's in order to stifle public support for the union. When were they supposed to be legislated back to work?
Like Faller, I say....what public support? From what I've read, they aren't really getting any. Granted, I'll admit to being somewhat biased because I'M against the union but, I really haven't read much positive stuff toward the union for causing this (with the exception of some of the stuff BAM has written lol)
Once the global workforce is unionized and we stop collectively exploiting 3rd world people, this problem will be solved. That is what needs to happen.
I hate the fact that I kind of agree with you on this too ;) . I think unions would help certain 3rd world countries....in the same way they helped us out when they were first introduced. I would hope to think that the new unions in 3rd world countries would learn from the mistakes of our unions to avoid getting into the same situations we are now.
bcaamuscle
22-06-2011, 03:33 PM
Lol, what public support?. The only one's supporting them are other unions and even that is a stretch.
I've heard the posties are going to have rallies to garner public support, i found that rather amusing..
They did a rally through here and no one even honked their horn for them lol. Everyone knows they are overpaid for an unskilled position.
bcaamuscle
22-06-2011, 03:35 PM
And then we'll start paying 10x more for products thus halting the economy to a stand still.
Do you shop at walmart, canadian tire, dollar stores, etc? If so, you're comtributing to that which you are against.
I'm yet to meet someone who actually doesn't shop at any of the above etc. Most of them will say they don't support 3rd world country labor, but they sure do like sitting looking pretty with their apple products..and for some reason they're all broke..idealists are funny people
natenator
22-06-2011, 03:45 PM
I'm yet to meet someone who actually doesn't shop at any of the above etc. Most of them will say they don't support 3rd world country labor, but they sure do like sitting looking pretty with their apple products..and for some reason they're all broke..idealists are funny people
I shop at those stores and I have apple products (and many more) but I am far from an idealist. I am of the belief that you reap what you are worth. BAM thinks everyone should be unionized, and that's a fair opinion for him to think but in having a global unionized workforce you drive up the cost of goods. Do I think people in 3rd world countries (btw, China is not a third world country people) should get paid more? Absolutely. Will I pay more for products because of a unionized workforce in these and other countries? Not likely. I just won't buy the product and I'd imagine many would follow suit therefore, while driving up the cost of goods which people won't pay for those countries with unions are now forced to get rid of their employee base because there is fewer and fewer buying their products. So, while a union was a good idea it ****ed them in the end.
Sounds a lot like North America doesn't it? ;)
I'd be happier hunting and gathering than shopping in a supermarket. A simple way of life like the north American Indians originally embraced would be ideal. I wouldn't need a union then.. just a tribe I guess :)
natenator
22-06-2011, 04:43 PM
I'd be happier hunting and gathering than shopping in a supermarket. A simple way of life like the north American Indians originally embraced would be ideal.
There are native communities you could move to for that simplier way of life you'd like?
I'd be happier hunting and gathering than shopping in a supermarket. A simple way of life like the north American Indians originally embraced would be ideal. I wouldn't need a union then.. just a tribe I guess :)
LOL. You are a complete joke.
What is stopping you from achieving this? about 90% of Canada contains wilderness that would allow for just this kind of lifestyle. You are a complete fake, the fakest of phonies in the world. If you actually wanted to be doing this you already would be. Get off the grid buddy, NOBODY IS STOPPING YOU.
There are native communities you could move to for that simplier way of life you'd like?
True, and if I ever lose my 'sweet union job' I might consider it although I hate the part where they hang you up by your nipples. I don't think I could handle that.
LOL. You are a complete joke.
What is stopping you from achieving this? about 90% of Canada contains wilderness that would allow for just this kind of lifestyle. You are a complete fake, the fakest of phonies in the world. If you actually wanted to be doing this you already would be. Get off the grid buddy, NOBODY IS STOPPING YOU.
You assume that I am single and without children and that my girlfriend is of the same mindset. Did I mention my sweet union job?
In the future I will move further in that direction, toward the removal of the need to be a consumer of products. I already grow my own organic vegetables, will eventually have backyard hens. I have removed my need for a car and everything that goes with that as well. I think freegans are interesting, but a bit extreme for me.
My plan is to be eventually be off of the grid as much as possible give the current variables in my life, relationships etc.
I will need to keep an internet connection though so I can continue to connect with like minded individuals
and to help liberate closed minds. Call it a sense of duty.
..but I digress.
faller
22-06-2011, 06:34 PM
I'd be happier hunting and gathering than shopping in a supermarket. A simple way of life like the north American Indians originally embraced would be ideal. I wouldn't need a union then.. just a tribe I guess :)
Its a far harsher life than the one you are now used too. To a small extent i lived that life in my youth, I'd disappear for days/weeks with nothing more than some fishing line and a rifle. I ate if i caught/shot something, and go without if i didn't.. In a book it sounds idyllic, reality it is something else entirely. I can't imagine what it would be like living life like that, i can see how entire tribes would be wiped out from starvation.
Give me Walmart and Superstore any day of the week.
Its a far harsher life than the one you are now used too. To a small extent i lived that life in my youth, I'd disappear for days/weeks with nothing more than some fishing line and a rifle. I ate if i caught/shot something, and go without if i didn't.. In a book it sounds idyllic, reality it is something else entirely. I can't imagine what it would be like living life like that, i can see how entire tribes would be wiped out from starvation.
Give me Walmart and Superstore any day of the week.
I more-so meant that 'if society as a whole was like that', not just me.. I would certainly not be interested in a uni-bomber/survival guy styled existence. It would have to be tribal and there would have to be an abundance of hot females that I could trade for horses and supplies or vice versa, as the need arises :lick
*cough* So.. How about them posties?
^^ They are still useless, greedy, pieces of shit, that dont appreciate how good they have it.
Just sayin....
faller
22-06-2011, 11:12 PM
I more-so meant It would have to be tribal and there would have to be an abundance of hot females that I could trade for horses and supplies or vice versa, as the need arises :lick
Now we're talking!! LOL.
rob66679
23-06-2011, 01:31 PM
^^ They are still useless, greedy, pieces of shit, that dont appreciate how good they have it.
Just sayin....
Can't help but notice you sound a little bit envious.......... First rule of life, fair never has, and never will have anything to do with anything.
Just because you have a hard job doesn't mean its going to pay better, just because the Owners's son made that wage doesn't mean you will to..... I agree with Nate that basically you get paid what you are worth, but what you are worth isn't always a fair and unbiased evaluation.
If you think Postie's are useless, greedy piles of shit what about the Corporation's who base off shore to dodge taxes, or Politicians who divert money to get a few more votes? Wall Street Bankers who set off a recession, the Genius who thought a gun registry would save anybodys life....... Theres a lot of people who totally waste public money, I have a lot more sympathy for a 35k postie who is basically just trying to get by.
rob66679
23-06-2011, 01:32 PM
I'd be happier hunting and gathering than shopping in a supermarket. A simple way of life like the north American Indians originally embraced would be ideal. I wouldn't need a union then.. just a tribe I guess :)
A Union is just a modern day Tribe.
In fact, most members havn't even evolved much.
natenator
23-06-2011, 01:36 PM
A Union is just a modern day Tribe.
In fact, most members havn't even evolved much.
LOL
A Union is just a modern day Tribe.
In fact, most members havn't even evolved much.
Except the tribe is much more organized, efficient, hierarchical, and maximizes productivity with few resources. A union is more akin to a tribe of early indigenous people (of any region) who have the plague. They feel distant from everyone else and deserving of help, but they dont realize its too late and nobody cares.
slick rick
23-06-2011, 08:01 PM
The fact is that most workers in the private sector realize that when their employer is losing business and is in the decline, that wage/incentive increases are frozen and they may have to hold the line or make sacrifices to keep their position and the company healthy. CPC is not needed like it once was, everything is on the decline from first class mail to flyer/marketing campaigns. Online coupons, flyers and Online banking/billings are the way of the future. This union is going to drag Canada Post down until it starts losing money year over year like USPS. I do feel for the workers, the union ****ed them over, they should have taken the original deal.
I shop at those stores and I have apple products (and many more) but I am far from an idealist. I am of the belief that you reap what you are worth. BAM thinks everyone should be unionized, and that's a fair opinion for him to think but in having a global unionized workforce you drive up the cost of goods. Do I think people in 3rd world countries (btw, China is not a third world country people) should get paid more? Absolutely. Will I pay more for products because of a unionized workforce in these and other countries? Not likely. I just won't buy the product and I'd imagine many would follow suit therefore, while driving up the cost of goods which people won't pay for those countries with unions are now forced to get rid of their employee base because there is fewer and fewer buying their products. So, while a union was a good idea it ****ed them in the end.
Sounds a lot like North America doesn't it? ;)
I don't recall you giving any weight to the fact that BMW has unionized workers when you were considering buying an M6 Nate.Germany has many powerful unions,and they are the force that drives Europe.And many parts of China would be considered third world.
http://www.time.com/magazine/article/0,9171,1640398-1,00.html
Except the tribe is much more organized, efficient, hierarchical, and maximizes productivity with few resources. A union is more akin to a tribe of early indigenous people (of any region) who have the plague. They feel distant from everyone else and deserving of help, but they dont realize its too late and nobody cares.
It is the job of management to organize production and to create the right atmosphere.When things go well managemant wants their bonuses and acclaim,correct?
The fact is that most workers in the private sector realize that when their employer is losing business and is in the decline, that wage/incentive increases are frozen and they may have to hold the line or make sacrifices to keep their position and the company healthy. CPC is not needed like it once was, everything is on the decline from first class mail to flyer/marketing campaigns. Online coupons, flyers and Online banking/billings are the way of the future. This union is going to drag Canada Post down until it starts losing money year over year like USPS. I do feel for the workers, the union ****ed them over, they should have taken the original deal.
Maybe when online security can be real instead of just a back seat promise it will be reality for the masses.There are simply too many weak points,I would bet we would see a large increase in fraudsters.And just look at how long it took the authorities to just start to crack down on fake PIN pads.
slick rick
23-06-2011, 10:22 PM
Its already happening by the masses, our kids generation will be doing everything online, and since strike even more Gen X are abandoning CPC.
O-Train
23-06-2011, 10:49 PM
The business I work for is fairly reliant on Canada Post. However if this strike were to continue it would be forced to find long term alternatives. A lot of companies just won't bother going back to Canada Post if that happens.
natenator
23-06-2011, 10:53 PM
What does thst have to do with anything? If i want to buy something and can afford it then i buy it. But there's a reason why places like walmart, target, giant tiger, dollar stores et al exist and thats because people want to buy products cheaply.
Unionize the countries that sell products into these stores and we'll see just how fast sales dry up. The case is different for BMW because those who can afford wont look at price at the measurement to their purchase intent whereas those who cant will.
I don't recall you giving any weight to the fact that BMW has unionized workers when you were considering buying an M6 Nate.Germany has many powerful unions,and they are the force that drives Europe.And many parts of China would be considered third world.
http://www.time.com/magazine/article/0,9171,1640398-1,00.html
natenator
23-06-2011, 10:55 PM
Its also the job of mamagement to get rid of lousy employees but thanks to the unions thats pretty much impossible.
It is the job of management to organize production and to create the right atmosphere.When things go well managemant wants their bonuses and acclaim,correct?
faller
24-06-2011, 12:16 AM
The business I work for is fairly reliant on Canada Post. However if this strike were to continue it would be forced to find long term alternatives. A lot of companies just won't bother going back to Canada Post if that happens.
Its already happening with Joe public. I can't tell you how many people (and i'm sure most know of a few as well) who have switched to online and are now realizing how much faster, cheaper and easier it is and wonder why they hadn't done it sooner. They're not going back to CP..
Unions are designed to protect employees from the Nate's and #8's of the employer/management world.
Can you imagine being a non-union employee of either of those two dick-smacks?
natenator
24-06-2011, 08:29 AM
Unions are designed to protect employees from the Nate's and #8's of the employer/management world.
Can you imagine being a non-union employee of either of those two dick-smacks?
I wont stoop to your level which is pretty sad for someone of your advanced age but i will say this, in jobs of senior managememt positions i've had to provide references from those who were subordinates. I gave them the names and numbers of EVERYONE i've ever managed and tell them to pick who they want to call. Why? Each one will attest to my ability to manage people, foster growth amd personable responsibility.
But hey, good attempt to draw me into your silly little name calling game all because you cant debate a topic like an intelligent human being :)
The business I work for is fairly reliant on Canada Post. However if this strike were to continue it would be forced to find long term alternatives. A lot of companies just won't bother going back to Canada Post if that happens.
Talo gave us an example of the price increases we might see.Private business would charge in like a pack of hyenas.
natenator
24-06-2011, 11:37 AM
Talo gave us an example of the price increases we might see.Private business would charge in like a pack of hyenas.
Or alternatives of a free market would spring up? :)
rob66679
24-06-2011, 05:42 PM
lol.. harsh
I speak as a Union member Bam.
I still respect their ideals, but have come to the reality that my Union is its own worst enemy in pretty much every way..
rob66679
24-06-2011, 05:45 PM
Unions are designed to protect employees from the Nate's and #8's of the employer/management world.
Can you imagine being a non-union employee of either of those two dick-smacks?
I've worked under guys I can guarantee you are far worse than anybody on this board on Union job sites....... I think we need whatever Union CP has in the trades lol.
If you worked for me you or anyone else would have no problems at all as long as you did your job effectively and efficiently. I would reward those with good work ethic with consistent raises and other forms of compensation. If you dont do your job then I would reprimand or fire you (barring extenuating circumstances). Seems logical to me no?
So ya, I guess if you have a work ethic like Bam and you want to be a lazy piece of shit floating through life wishing you could just hunt and gather and trade berries and horses for girls, you should probably just continue voting NDP and wait until we are all paid in food (except amazing politicians like Layton who bikes to work to show his support for the environment, but has his BRIEFCASE privately chauffeured around in a limo, he deserves to be payed in LEAR DORRALS LOL)
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