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tiramisu
24-07-2010, 12:50 PM
finally a philosophy I can relate to...

http://muscleandbrawn.com/4-ways-to-get-freaking-huge/

Aaron_37
24-07-2010, 01:05 PM
I was glad to see that I had guessed three out of four! :D Aaron likes this.

marino
24-07-2010, 01:11 PM
I had three out of four too

yAr
24-07-2010, 04:57 PM
Fail ! Lift heavy ass weight

hah

Talo
24-07-2010, 09:58 PM
Nice and simple.

So simple that most people wont even follow it.

MMASTAR
24-07-2010, 10:17 PM
I follow it and love, the 4 basic compounds lifts are where it's at!!

Victor85
24-07-2010, 11:35 PM
finally a philosophy I can relate to...

http://muscleandbrawn.com/4-ways-to-get-freaking-huge/

What a funny yet truthfull article.


FAIL! lol (I gotta use that response when douchebags ask me questions at the gym!)

rated_rko
25-07-2010, 12:10 AM
great and simple article....but 1 critique...form is key....if the weights too heavy we cheat...and if we keep cheating we might not get to where we want to be if we were doing the exercise with proper technique... ie. those ppl who swing for barbell curls...and dumbell curls...bench pressing halfway to there chest and not even bringing the bar down there...just saying guys

MMASTAR
25-07-2010, 01:17 AM
You shouldnt have to say use perfect form in a body building article, that should be assumed by all.... so to clarify: lift heavy ass weights with perfect form!!!

Jazzy
25-07-2010, 09:59 AM
You shouldnt have to say use perfect form in a body building article, that should be assumed by all.... so to clarify: lift heavy ass weights with perfect form!!!

+1

LOL, i like this philosophy too hahaha, sound funny, but real!^^

I do 3 out of 4...for heavy ass weight, I put all I can, but can't do 300 bench pres..so, that's not heavy ASS weight :P

natenator
25-07-2010, 11:01 AM
great and simple article....but 1 critique...form is key....if the weights too heavy we cheat...and if we keep cheating we might not get to where we want to be if we were doing the exercise with proper technique... ie. those ppl who swing for barbell curls...and dumbell curls...bench pressing halfway to there chest and not even bringing the bar down there...just saying guys
I find too many people use this as an excuse to pussy out and not lift as heavy as they can/could.

I'm willing to bet a significant amount on this forum don't even know what proper form actually is and yet are still a pussy with their poundages.

macka
25-07-2010, 11:29 AM
I always lift as heavy as I can, even if its the purple weights.

Shortdave
25-07-2010, 11:41 AM
You shouldnt have to say use perfect form in a body building article, that should be assumed by all.... so to clarify: lift heavy ass weights with perfect form!!!


No.
Lift heavy ass weight with decent form. Heavy weights, especially 1rms are always going to cause form breakdown, so the key is trying to keep the form as good as you can while still getting the weight to move. Then later, when you are better at handling the weight you tighten the form up.

Forever
25-07-2010, 12:20 PM
"Fail ! Lift heavy ass weight" I couldn't agree more.

I think as long as your form starts off good, your not going to hurt yourself and your still concentrating on contracting the target muscle group, there is nothing wrong with a little swing at the end of a set. I would rather finish my set with questionable form then stop half way through and say "whoa guys did you see that? My perfect form nearly broke down. Its a good thing I stopped because that personal trainer said you should never swing. Next week I'm going to lower my weight so that I can use perfect form!"

tiramisu
25-07-2010, 12:35 PM
No.
Lift heavy ass weight with decent form. Heavy weights, especially 1rms are always going to cause form breakdown, so the key is trying to keep the form as good as you can while still getting the weight to move. Then later, when you are better at handling the weight you tighten the form up.

There is a fairly big difference between lifting safely and lifting well. Most bodybuilders aren't all that interested in lifting well. For most, safe technique is the best you can hope for.

From what I have read it takes about 1000 perfect reps to establish an expertise in a movement. Without a coach actively working with you on all your lifting you could be waiting a very very long time before you establish excellent squat techique as an example. This is an area where power lifters and olympic lifters really outshine bodybuilders.

Praetorian
25-07-2010, 03:59 PM
I will paste the article because its worth reading again...It gets very old fast the number of guys I hear over analyzing everything from training to diet to cycles...it is very very very simple...just FN do it.

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Time To Get Swole

Man, do I have some magical, mystical, mass building advice for you today. But I know – you’re extremely skeptical. You’re waiting for the bullcrap; to be let down by some cool sounding training system with overly complicated mumbo jumbo, and exercises that suck.

Sorry, no fail for you today.

I don’t hand out fail. I’m not pushing an agenda. You want to get big fast, then do the following.

heavy ass weight
1 – Stay with a Simple Routine

Listen, you have been searching for the ultimate routine for years. In fact, you spend more time reading about routines then performing routines. And each week you switch routines. I’ve found it, this week I’m making the change to blah, blah, blah and will grow!

Fail!

Enough with this foolishness. I’m about to carpet bomb your fantasies, so you have been warned. Brace yourself. Here goes…it doesn’t matter what routine you use. Yes, you heard me right. Doggcrapp, Max Stim, Dogg Stim, Max Crapp…whatever. Just pick something and stick with it. And make sure the routine isn’t complicated. You don’t need complicated.

A simple routine focuses on progression of weight using basic heavy compound lifts including:

* Squats
* Deadlifts
* Bench Press
* A form of the Overhead Press

E. T. C.

If you find that your routine has you doing giant sets, drop sets, or focusing on the dreaded mind-muscle connection, run like the wind. And worse yet, if it contains too many isolation movements…well…FAIL. You don’t need training techniques or isolation movements, you need to:
2 – Lift Heavy Ass Weights

Lift heavy ass weight. Heavy ass weight makes muscles grow. Heavy ass weight can be in any rep range, because it is heavy ass weight and is kicking your balls seven ways to Sunday.

What rep range should I use? FAIL! It doesn’t matter – Lift heavy ass weights!

What should my rep speed be? FAIL! It doesn’t matter – Lift heavy ass weights!

Should I do cable crossovers before or after flyes, and should incline bench be performed with a 22 degree angle, or a 24 degree angle? FAIL! It doesn’t matter – Lift heavy ass weights!

What split is the most effective for mass? FAIL! FAIL! FAIL!

GO LIFT HEAVY ASS WEIGHTS!

But I don’t want to lift heavy! So and so says that squats are bad for your knees, and my mom is afraid and wants me to take up knitting.

Both so and so, and your mom (no offense to moms) can barely lift a roll of toilet paper to wipe their own asses. If you want to look like your mom, listen to the training advice of your mom. If you want to pack on muscle, lift heavy ass weight!

The end!

ronnie coleman heavy ass weights
3 – Stop Bitching and Get Your Ass to the Gym!

I’m tired.

My toe hurts.

My right nut seems small today, maybe I shouldn’t train.

Want to know how to fail? I mean epic fail? Continue to make excuses, and avoid going to the gym. Want to know how to succeed? Gird up your balls, shut the hell up, and get your ass to the gym, 52 weeks a year. The end.

This isn’t complicated.

Of course your left nut hurts! You’re lifting weights. Lifting heavy ass weights will hurt from time to time. Pain is part of the equation. We aren’t collecting bottle caps here, Charles.
4 – Forget Your Damned Abs and Eat!

I want a six pack!

Bud, if you think you can pack on muscle and carve out a six pack in the same month, you need to lay off the crack pipe.

This just in…if you want muscle, you need to eat big. If you want to be a 220 mass monster, but only weigh 120, you need to start eating like you weigh 220 pounds.

How long should I bulk before I cut? FAIL! Eat until people at the gym start asking you where you get your steroids from. Then, and only then can you start cutting.

Should my bulk be dirty or clean? FAIL! Grab a shovel and get to gettin’.

Whole milk has fat! Almonds have fat! I can’t eat fat! FAIL! Listen, drinking whole milk and lifting heavy ass weights equals muscle mass.
Final Thoughts

1. Lift heavy ass weight using heavy ass compound lifts.
2. Eat big.
3. Never miss a workout.
4. Stick with a basic routine.

Follow these 4 rules for two years and you will dramatically change your body. The end.

maximus14
25-07-2010, 05:20 PM
"My right nut seems small today, maybe I shouldn’t train." lol best excuse ever
but in all seriousness this article is so basic and so true, yet you never see anyone abiding by these 4 simple "rules"

O-Train
25-07-2010, 06:22 PM
What about option number 5? I could do this stuff till the cows come home and I won't ever get huge. Although I guess according to the article I'm a 220lb mass monster lol.

Don't post this around too much guys. Most gyms arn't setup for people to lift like they should. Finding a squat rack would be a pain in the ass.

Big D
25-07-2010, 07:51 PM
I find too many people use this as an excuse to pussy out and not lift as heavy as they can/could.

I'm willing to bet a significant amount on this forum don't even know what proper form actually is and yet are still a pussy with their poundages.

yesss !!!

I have a good friend who is like that, kinda gets anoying always tlaking about form, but hes been the same size for about 3 years and still curling the 25lbs'ers
and squating 225.

sometimes form has to sacrifice for you to push through that plateau.

#8
25-07-2010, 09:16 PM
some of the biggest guys ive ever seen use form that is so terrible it boggles my ****ing mind when im watching them lift.

natenator
25-07-2010, 09:38 PM
some of the biggest guys ive ever seen use form that is so terrible it boggles my ****ing mind when im watching them lift.
do they lift heavy ass weight?

#8
25-07-2010, 11:59 PM
i guess that is relative. compared to most people yes, but like I have posted before some of these guys are barely moving anything and are still freakish. Maybe Im missing something.

Andre Gregoire
26-07-2010, 10:22 PM
This is what happens if you don't follow the 4 rules:

http://muscleandbrawn.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/fail-body.jpg

musclegeek19
27-07-2010, 09:33 AM
I swear Ronnie Coleman wrote that article himself, hahaha.

natenator
27-07-2010, 09:40 AM
This is what happens if you don't follow the 4 rules:

http://muscleandbrawn.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/fail-body.jpg
looks like Dremen?

PdH
27-07-2010, 10:11 AM
sometimes form has to sacrifice for you to push through that plateau.

^^Agreed. Where did this new principle of "perfect form" with sissy weights come from anyway? My guess is personal trainers that never bench more than 1 plate in the name of perfect form. :gayfight

L3
27-07-2010, 10:11 AM
lawllllllllllll

natenator
27-07-2010, 10:22 AM
^^Agreed. Where did this new principle of "perfect form" with sissy weights come from anyway? My guess is personal trainers that never bench more than 1 plate in the name of perfect form. :gayfight
dude, I've seen some personal trainer try and bench with correct form and they **** it up like no ones bidness. Elbows flared, back flat, legs loose out in front of them.

unreal

PdH
27-07-2010, 10:29 AM
dude, I've seen some personal trainer try and bench with correct form and they **** it up like no ones bidness. Elbows flared, back flat, legs loose out in front of them. unreal

I know Bro. What I want to know is how their ridiculous advice got adopted by a good portion of the BBing community? I mean, decent form is a given, but the focus on "perfect" form has gotten out of hand. We now have people snickering at the long proven form used by the best BBers in the world.

tiramisu
27-07-2010, 12:00 PM
Form tends to degrade when you are doing max effort or dynamic effort. I think a lot of body builders who lift only using submaximal or repeated effort get a bit confused with all the pumping going on that they are actually weighlifting.

One part of it is that people think because they have picked up a barbell that they are bodybuilders. I'd argue that it takes a good 3-5 years of general strength training and working oneself up to a strong intermediate lifter before you should consider specializing in body building.

That specialization doesn't mean abandoning max effort and dynamic effort but it does generally mean de-emphasizing them in favour of hypertrophy with submaximal and repeated effort probably taking up 60-70% of the training load.

Weighing a buck sixty at average height and dieting to sub 10% body fat doesn't make one a body builder, it makes one a dieter.

If you aren't hitting 3 pounds of weight per inch of height in competition condition (<6%) I don't think it makes a lot of sense to consider a bodybuilding program over broad strength based program. The problem is you aren't actually strong enough for a specialization program to be effective yet.

.... or alternately just read the original article and ignore the bleah bleah bleah, quasi scientifc crap, and lift heavy weights.

Andre Gregoire
27-07-2010, 12:05 PM
This is a great topic and it begs for me to post this link:
http://www.intensemuscle.com/showthread.php?t=41620

Please guys, go read what Dante says, it's gold, I promise, Gold!