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BigDane
24-06-2010, 03:10 AM
Just started taking 250mg test E every 4 days along with 3.3iu gh daily.

For the last few years I've had borderline low testosterone levels. Testing out at 13.1nmo/L (Norm being 10-30). Two years ago I was 16.5nmo/L so ya, I'm dropping. 13.1 to me is too low for someone who's 31. Talked to my doc but he won't do anything for me until I fall out of "normal" levels. My workouts, quality of sleep, energy and sex drive have also sucked now for the last few years. I attribute it to the low test.

Currently 6'2 230lbs and probably around 15%

Goal is to drop bf, increase lifts, improve workouts and in turn add some muscle. I'm not looking to get huge.

Following a high protein diet, keeping carbs and fats to a minimum.

Cardio 5x week. 45min, low intensity.

No gear for 6 years, so I'm assuming my receptors are pretty good to go that's why I'm going with a low dose and plan to run for 15 weeks. I may scale back the dose to 125mg twice a week at the end of the cycle and continue that as a TRT dose but I haven't decided for sure yet.

Does this look good??

I contemplated adding in Eq and/or Var but I wanted to see how I respond to the test only first and don't want to mess with my libido that's already low because of my current T levels.

I have been gyno prone in the past but it probably has a lot to do with the fact that I wasn't that diligent when I was younger with keeping things in check. I have Nolva as well as Aromasin on hand. Should I run a low dose AI for the duration of the cycle or just keep an eye on things? How would I run the Aromasin if its dosed at 25mg/tab. Its a gelcap so it's kinda tough to split. With Aromasin's half life being 9hrs I'd assume I'd need to take it daily??

Also, any thoughts on adding proviron to this cycle.

Thx in advance for the input.
:D

PdH
24-06-2010, 07:38 AM
You haven't identified what your goals for this cycle are. Basically you're doing a little higher than an HRT dose (which you will get some growth from) and a gh dosage that's good for fat loss and general well-being. What do you want to achieve?

BigDane
24-06-2010, 11:06 AM
Just started taking 250mg test E every 4 days along with 3.3iu gh daily.

For the last few years I've had borderline low testosterone levels. Testing out at 13.1nmo/L (Norm being 10-30). Two years ago I was 16.5nmo/L so ya, I'm dropping. 13.1 to me is too low for someone who's 31. Talked to my doc but he won't do anything for me until I fall out of "normal" levels. My workouts, quality of sleep, energy and sex drive have also sucked now for the last few years. I attribute it to the low test.

Currently 6'2 230lbs and probably around 15%

Goal is to drop bf, increase lifts, improve workouts and in turn add some muscle. I'm not looking to get huge.

Following a high protein diet, keeping carbs and fats to a minimum.

Cardio 5x week. 45min, low intensity.

No gear for 6 years, so I'm assuming my receptors are pretty good to go that's why I'm going with a low dose and plan to run for 15 weeks. I may scale back the dose to 125mg twice a week at the end of the cycle and continue that as a TRT dose but I haven't decided for sure yet.

Does this look good??

I contemplated adding in Eq and/or Var but I wanted to see how I respond to the test only first and don't want to mess with my libido that's already low because of my current T levels.

I have been gyno prone in the past but it probably has a lot to do with the fact that I wasn't that diligent when I was younger with keeping things in check. I have Nolva as well as Aromasin on hand. Should I run a low dose AI for the duration of the cycle or just keep an eye on things? How would I run the Aromasin if its dosed at 25mg/tab. Its a gelcap so it's kinda tough to split. With Aromasin's half life being 9hrs I'd assume I'd need to take it daily??

Also, any thoughts on adding proviron to this cycle.

Thx in advance for the input.
:D

That and to basically feel better. The low energy, shit workouts, crappy sleeps and sex drive really sucks.

Cheers

PdH
24-06-2010, 01:55 PM
Sorry I missed your goals part. You'll pretty much get what you want from your cycle at those dosages. I did my first cycle in 1988 and it was 250 ew of test-e and I made some pretty significant gains from it. Enough for people to comment anyway. :)

BigDane
26-06-2010, 12:23 AM
Can someone help me with how to take my Aromasin and Nolva?

Being around 15% and trying to lose fat I'm concerned with estrogen buildup and gyno. I also want to keep the water off.

The aromasin I have is in capsules so unfortunately it's not that easy to split and get an accurate half dose. They are 25mg. Do they need to be run ed or can I get away with eod?

Will Aromasin hinder gains and/or libido?

L3
26-06-2010, 12:31 AM
using that little test, there is no need for an AI, IMO

BigDane
26-06-2010, 12:43 AM
using that little test, there is no need for an AI, IMO

Even though I've gotten gyno in the past?

I've seen guys run 500/week and bloat big time. Not what I'm looking for being around 15% right now.

BigDane
26-06-2010, 12:46 AM
I guess I'd rather err on the side of caution :)

PdH
26-06-2010, 06:51 AM
If you are very sensitive to test then run the aromasin at 12.5 mg ed. That's a low dosage but it will do the job for 250 test. Aromasin is pretty potent so use the smallest dosage necessary to achieve your goals. Pull those caps open and split the powder in half. If you notice gyno flare ups then increase it to 25 mg ed. Use the nolva at 20 mg ed if the gyno remains and stop using it once the gyno is gone. You shouldn't have any problems while using the aromasin though. :)

BigDane
26-06-2010, 10:47 AM
If you are very sensitive to test then run the aromasin at 12.5 mg ed. That's a low dosage but it will do the job for 250 test. Aromasin is pretty potent so use the smallest dosage necessary to achieve your goals. Pull those caps open and split the powder in half. If you notice gyno flare ups then increase it to 25 mg ed. Use the nolva at 20 mg ed if the gyno remains and stop using it once the gyno is gone. You shouldn't have any problems while using the aromasin though. :)

Ideally that's what I'd like to do. But i have 25mg capsules. Not the easiest thing to split accurately. Would 25mg eod work or should I find some 12.5mg caps?

PdH
26-06-2010, 10:54 AM
Some say that running Aromasin eod is ok as the half life is as much as 27 hrs, BUT the medical literature says the terminal half life is 8.9 hrs. It won't hurt anything to run 25 eod, some people do with good results.