2011 CBBF Bodybuilding Nationals OFFICIAL THREAD

[natenator]

The people dissing of coverage was directed at those organizations that make money off this sport and anyone with half a brain knew that is what some meant by these comments. I've never encountered ANYONE on a forum who complains about random folk who try to update the forum membership as to what is going on. I'm pretty certain we all appreciate it when people are willing to do so, so again the dissing was not of regular folk trying to provide information to forum members - it was directed at revenue generating organizations who stand to make $ from this sport in Canada.


Oh and agree with you - huge props to Salim. Two years, two pro's. Maybe now we can all get off Darren Oliver's nut sac

A special note about some comments made in this thread.

First off, to get to the Nationals and compete on that stage means you've worked your ass off. With that said, you are all winners and what you do inspires others to get in the sport and take that step to have the courage to step on stage and be judged by others.

As for coverage, it's getting better over the years. Everyone is starting to pitch in. Coco was a huge plus in getting results up. I can understand her frustration as the reward is not much and then some complain about what she tried to do. Her statement was said in what I believe to be frustration. I've been there myself many times but continue to keep the engine going as others chipping in keep me motivated. Take a look at what fitfanatik did in terms of video posting and getting that feeling of being there. Hats off to you for what you brought. Then the magazines have been doing coverage. The difference is mags make a lot of $$ doing this and the others don't. So in my very humble opinion, support these people who try to bring something to the table instead of dissing them.

For those that have been around for many years online, how was the coverage of a CBBF show 10 years ago? I know because I went back to look for information and had a really hard time. Look today, pics, videos, mags etc. When I find well put together videos, I do my best to promote them even if I get nothing in return. When people work selflessly to promote themselves or others I highly respect them. It benefits the sport and the CBBF in general. Take a good look at the number of competitors this year compared to others. It's a good sign.

I know some of you would love coverage like RX, MD etc and a live feed like bb.com does for the Olympia and the Arnold but this is not at the same level as those shows to be able to invest that much. Maybe it will be one day but it will take us to promote the sport in a healthy fashion and to work together rather than bash everyone and everything.

I personally felt there was more hype going into this show than last year. Look at the video Antoine put out with the feel of a challenge at the end by his bud. Look at Jerome Bravo's vid. It's entertainment and generates an interesting level of competition plus we get to know the athletes. Take Loutfi's video when he does a workout then gives comments. I strongly feel this is the future way of doing things to promote the sport and competitors.

And the last thing is, Mike Johnson won the Overall. This is 2 years in a row Mr. Canada comes from Nova Scotia and has been trained by Salim Satir. Big congrats on your win Mike and also to Salim.

Also a big congrats to Fabiola Boulanger after coming close last year and winning the overall and pro card. Renaldo Gairy, Lisa Giesbrecht and Martin Allard for earning pro cards. Hopefully they will all go on to step on a pro stage and give us more representation and material to promote bodybuilding in Canada.

[steve_d]

Thank you very much Praetorian for your word and your props, i had a lot of respect from all the athletes showing me that i'm a real champion and feel very good with it.
And for sure i agree also with you i know the value of my physic especially at this Canadian 2010 were i was spot on, and i say it and say it again, really shocked to leave the stage without the overall, at least i would accept the 2nd procard. I had a score of 7 and the overall winner a score of 9 ... maybe i have to return school doing my math lol
So that's exactly why i'm happy for Renaldo, he take a pro card and i'm sincerely happy for him, spoke with him, give him props and congrats him for the package he brought.

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Loutfi, you have been in this sport a long time and are at such a high level that I am surprise by your comment about returning to school for math.

You're score of 7 meant that you won your class with a score of 7. Santana won his class with a score of 8. You can't compare you're 7 to his 8. All it means is that you dominated your own class more than he dominated his. But there are other classes (ex marco zaborac) that won with a score of 5 - straight firsts. But this is the overall....we're talking. If it were based on a score from individual classes, the bantom could win every year.

And yes, I was the one to say you were off in my post earlier. I believe I was the only one, so I assume you're earlier comment was directed towards me. What is the harm in telling the members that you were off? Had you been on, you might have won the class again...Had you been on, you might have won the overall this year. But you were off. I am sorry for not giving you props last year, but at the time I didn't know you as a regular member, whereas this year you we're basically one of, if not the favorite to win who regularly contribute to this forum. So that is the only reason I mentioned you were off and didn't mention how on you were last year.

With that said, I do have a question for you....Prior to hitting the stage, you were extremely confident in becoming the newest pro. In fact, I have yet to see someone so open about this confidence on a board. It was a change of pace from the normally very humble attitude you usually carry. Don't get me wrong, I love it when I hear this type of confidence going into a show. I often rather hear someone sound confident than overally humble - especially when they are the best in canada. However, you know yourself that you didn't have as much time to prep, etc. Did something go wrong with the last couple of days, or do you believe it was a matter of a few more weeks needed? If so, why we're you so confident knowing you weren't spot on....We all know the overall winner is not going to go to someone unless they are bang on, so knowing you were off and still thinking you had it coming into the show almost seems like a slap in the face to other canadians who must have felt they had a shot at winning.

[MuSuLPhReAk]

The people dissing of coverage was directed at those organizations that make money off this sport and anyone with half a brain knew that is what some meant by these comments. I've never encountered ANYONE on a forum who complains about random folk who try to update the forum membership as to what is going on. I'm pretty certain we all appreciate it when people are willing to do so, so again the dissing was not of regular folk trying to provide information to forum members - it was directed at revenue generating organizations who stand to make $ from this sport in Canada.

And answering that way makes it more constructive and gives us a better image. Lot's of people don't post on forums because of attitudes nowadays. We can all disagree on stuff or have strong opinions but the way we write will have an impact on those reading. Some forums are popular for the attack style posts and reply's. Taking a less hands on approach had CBB turning into that and people not coming anymore because of it. It can never be perfect on forums with users under anonymous handles but the competitors and people that are not anonymous with their handles I try to protect from attacks. There have been many who disagree here and post up the disagreements in a respectful manner. I do admit some people tend to get under others skin. As I said, it can never be perfect. I just don't want anyone to think I don't care and it's ok to do stuff like that. Not aiming the whole post I made at you. This quote in Dan Fedeluk's interview was an eye opener for me

On the negative side of things I’ve always taken things too personal. Also my feelings towards the sport have dramatically changed. I really dislike what I see at shows now and refuse to go on most boards. I used to love this sub culture but it has become so polluted with bad attitudes, bad energies, selfishness, greed, haters and an overall lack of RESPECT.

[steve_d]

I didn't place behind you last year Loutfi on account that you out-conditioned me. So I will have to argue that statement. I think you were very lucky to beat Ron last year, It's funny how different judging pannels can have a completely different point of view, as you found out at the North American. Yah, you were sharper than the big guys last year, and I guess thats why you won the class. You definitely were not sharper than Santana last year, or bigger. Should you have gotten a pro card anyway? yah, I think you should have.

Yes, canada needs to be more consistent, or at least explain how they decide why some years two cards are given, and some years only 1. Loutfi could have easily gotten the 2nd card last year, seeing as how they were giving a 2nd card this year. It's not like this year was more competitve than other years. I've said this before, but I will say it again here - I honestly think a card should only be rewarded to the overall winner. The way things are going, we are giving too many cards and our competitors will be doing nothing with them. I even hear people say we should have a card for each weight class winner! Ya, that is real smart...What is a welter winner going to do as an IFBB pro...And don't say 'oh well, there is an under 212 division'. No one under 180 will be able to hold their own in that division - unless you're 3 foot 6.

If we keep giving 2 cards per year at nationals + 1 at the elite showdown + the masters overall winner, I am thinking in 5 years time, the overall at nationals will be washed down to the effect that there will be far less prestige in winning.

Many people will disagree with me on this, but it's the way I see it.

[natenator]

And answering that way makes it more constructive and gives us a better image. Lot's of people don't post on forums because of attitudes nowadays. We can all disagree on stuff or have strong opinions but the way we write will have an impact on those reading. Some forums are popular for the attack style posts and reply's. Taking a less hands on approach had CBB turning into that and people not coming anymore because of it. It can never be perfect on forums with users under anonymous handles but the competitors and people that are not anonymous with their handles I try to protect from attacks. There have been many who disagree here and post up the disagreements in a respectful manner. I do admit some people tend to get under others skin. As I said, it can never be perfect. I just don't want anyone to think I don't care and it's ok to do stuff like that. Not aiming the whole post I made at you. This quote in Dan Fedeluk's interview was an eye opener for me

People give respect when it is earned. Coco gave zero respect in her comments yesterday and CLEARLY missed the point about what bluenose was saying thus disrespected him in the beginning.

[MuSuLPhReAk]

[mb07]

Hello all.
My name is Steve Marsh.
I won the Masters Light Division at this show. I am a little confused as to what happened in the Welterweight Division. If you look at the placings you will see that I beat Abdul and William (With William in fourth) for the division. Then in the Welterweight I ended up in fourth behind Abdul and William.
I am not going to comment on my condition or my competitors conditions or make any claims or accusations.
For the record. I have no issue with losing to Abdul. I consider him a good friend but I'm just not sure how this happens when the two classes were held a couple hours apart. In fact I discussed this with my friend Abdul after the show and he was at a loss as well. He came to win, rightly so, gave his best and accepted his placings in both catagories based on the judges decision.
I have asked people in the audience if my condition or my competitors conditions changed significantly during the time frame and the answer has been no. So.... I ask the question.

Can anyone in attendence explain to me what happened.

Mens Masters Light
1 - Steve Marsh MB
2 - Abdul Sagar ON
3 - Compton Austin ON
4 - William Celis ON
5 - Yves Montmarquette PQ
6 - Steve Charbonneau ON
7 - Todd Hnatiuk BC
8 - Luciano Rao ON
9 - Doug Heron ON
10 - Paul Brooker ON withdrew

Mens Welterweight
1 - Abdul Sagar ON
2 - Joshua Atsriku ON
3 - Williams Celis ON
4 - Steve Marsh MB
5 - Chris Johnson NS
6 - Jamie Peterson NB
7 - Todd Hnatiuk BC
8 - Mark Loo BC
9 - Chris Gurunlian PQ
10 - Guy Thibodeau PQ
11 - Luciano Rao ON withdrew

[BDH]

I am kind of happy we are getting to see a bit of realism here... the swinging from each others nutsacks in the weeks leading up to the show was getting old... I knew it couldn't last forever... good to see the competitive nature taking over...

I miss the Carl vs Jordan Janvier days...lol

[BDH]

Hello all.
My name is Steve Marsh.
I won the Masters Light Division at this show. I am a little confused as to what happened in the Welterweight Division. If you look at the placings you will see that I beat Abdul and William (With William in fourth) for the division. Then in the Welterweight I ended up in fourth behind Abdul and William.
I am not going to comment on my condition or my competitors conditions or make any claims or accusations.
For the record. I have no issue with losing to Abdul. I consider him a good friend but I'm just not sure how this happens when the two classes were held a couple hours apart. In fact I discussed this with my friend Abdul after the show and he was at a loss as well. He came to win, rightly so, gave his best and accepted his placings in both catagories based on the judges decision.
I have asked people in the audience if my condition or my competitors conditions changed significantly during the time frame and the answer has been no. So.... I ask the question.

Can anyone in attendence explain to me what happened.

Same thing happened to Joanne Williams. She places ahead of Lisa G in Women's Heavy, but loses the pro card to her in Masters Heavy... kind of strange but I don't know specifics... just seems odd to lose to someone and beat them on the same stage on the same day...

[MuSuLPhReAk]