WTF Should Be Done About The Drug Wars?

[juced_porkchop]

look up portugal, and amsterdam...Portugal was featured in a good documentary i watched the other day, they have treated it like a disease, and have been very successful at making it work for them.....

im from there (family) and let me tell you that huroin is a BIG problem. when I visited a couple years ago, i had guys i didnt even know walk uptome asking if i wanted to "pitch in" for some because they can get good stuff. and one guy even showed me a "huroin kit" when he was asking me if a was looking, with needles, spoon, cotten balls, ect.
then eh shows me his amr saying "look at theses vains! its good shit" not sure what he ment but w/e lol.

I live in ONT and iv run across ALOT of coke , xtc, weed ect. but H was somthing that is not often talked about on the streets.

and even nto knowing anyone ther cept family i still got my medical hashish a few times.

my point is i dont think its as "working for them" as you think.

also in europe the whole life style is a bit diff then here. i really dont like how the west (usa, canada) live like ants, working till dead with out stopping to enjoylife for the most part.
family values seem lost for the most part.

hew dont get me wrong i was born here but living just a lil while where my family is from i can see a big diff.

but drugs wise there still there.

[juced_porkchop]

amsterdam and UK in genrall are atleast smart nuff not to wast MILLIONS of dollers on Cannabis

[juced_porkchop]

I do agree with drug decriminalization on the user part. but not letting importers off scott free.

[cog]

If u ever get chance to sit for an hour and watch the "harm reduction" or "safe injection site" clinic action, you'll have a diff opinion...a flockin joke...sure safe inject but also meeting place for dealers, property crime artists etc...harm reduction my ass..its a meeting place to commit crime, sell ur stolen shit, take orders for "steal list", score ur dope and..oh yeah..safely inject it...don't be naive.

Until you work closely with this element, you'll never understand the dynamics of it...they have no conscience...they are fueled by their addiction and most are beyond help. Addicts have to "want" help to get better...I don't see that mind set around this palce...

I understand that the addicts often use the methadone as a base,and search for more dope yet.But at least there is less chance of HIV...as Rob said they meet at various places in any event.Camps would take them out of the equation...

[cog]

im from there (family) and let me tell you that huroin is a BIG problem. when I visited a couple years ago, i had guys i didnt even know walk uptome asking if i wanted to "pitch in" for some because they can get good stuff. and one guy even showed me a "huroin kit" when he was asking me if a was looking, with needles, spoon, cotten balls, ect.
then eh shows me his amr saying "look at theses vains! its good shit" not sure what he ment but w/e lol.

I live in ONT and iv run across ALOT of coke , xtc, weed ect. but H was somthing that is not often talked about on the streets.

and even nto knowing anyone ther cept family i still got my medical hashish a few times.

my point is i dont think its as "working for them" as you think.

also in europe the whole life style is a bit diff then here. i really dont like how the west (usa, canada) live like ants, working till dead with out stopping to enjoylife for the most part.
family values seem lost for the most part.

hew dont get me wrong i was born here but living just a lil while where my family is from i can see a big diff.

but drugs wise there still there.

So there are lots of addicts but not much property crime related to drugs?

[razorsedge]

Never been around a safe injection site, everything you say is what I would picture it to be though.
Just to play Devils advocate though, wouldn't the same things be happening without a safe injection site, they'd just be taking place in a back alley instead?

Great point. The same thing would be happening without funding a safe injection site or not...there are only a small percentage of users who will use the sites. The HIV threat is immense with the users that aren't going to injection site...you can go down East hastings in Van...anyone can...and watch addicts in a door or alley and you'll see one with a hot rig of H and they'll have 2-3 others with them and tap each other in the veins between the fingers so in 30 secs, 4 people fix off same rig...there's ur big issue so if the first one is HIV...they all get tapped with that blood drawn in the rig..the action in front of the injection site is so obvious as it is all over the street down there...if no site pushes them to the alley, then do it.

It's a horrible sickness (addiction) and you'd be surprised at some of the backgrounds of the people in the East End of Van...if antone evr has a chance and they want a real eye opener, go down there with someone who knows there way around a bit...20 minutes will give u more street education than you have accumulated ur whole life...

[faller]

^^We're starting to see more of that happening in Victoria and parts of Nanaimo. Granted not as bad as East End, but bad enough

[cog]

^^We're starting to see more of that happening in Victoria and parts of Nanaimo. Granted not as bad as East End, but bad enough

So indeed it is spreading.Today in the Sun there is news that the Commons public safety calls for "harm reduction",which would include an expansion of free drugs for inmates in federal prisons.If the authorities can't keep hard drugs from people in federal prisons how do they expect to win the battle on the outside?I contend that you have to take the addicts off the street and into work camps where they would actually sweat it out until they undergo a full cell exchange,iirc,a year and a half.

[razorsedge]

Maybe we can get the corrections people to set up a program where they feed the hell out of ya, set you up in an awesome gym and supply you with the best of gear ....oh, sorry, didn't know they already do that...where do I apply

[cog]

Maybe we can get the corrections people to set up a program where they feed the hell out of ya, set you up in an awesome gym and supply you with the best of gear ....oh, sorry, didn't know they already do that...where do I apply

I once knew a guy that had been in jail,I didn't ask him for what,he was a wrestler,upped his bench to 450,but he had to pay for the gram a week of primo.