WTF Should Be Done About The Drug Wars?

[cog]

I'm not in favor of straight out legalization of these substances,but when are cops and lawmakers going to understand that they will never stamp this out?Wouldn't it be better to control access,say via a micro-controlled dispensary contraption of some sort,hooked up to the net for updates...really good chance Big Brother would get bigger yet.How will they stop the shit in Mexico?Too much cash involved.Certainly a lot of people are harmed in a big way by chemically purified substances...and weed is not good for young people trying to get an education.Thoughts?Hopefully this doesn't cross the line with MP.

[rob66679]

The billion dollar question for sure.
I don't know...... IMHO what we've been doing for the last 70 years obviously isn't working.
I honestly don't believe in just putting anything thats not alcohol into the "drug" class and demonizing it either. IMHO weed isn't the most productive thing to do with your time, but booze is far, far worse in every way possible.
AAS is the same.... Should people who use be considered criminals? Is responsible use really more dangerous than eating at McDonalds every day or drinking a 6 pack when you get off work?
For a long time certain drugs have been made illegal for political purposes, and our Governments have been lying to us about why.

As far as people dumb enough to use drugs that can/will lead to bad things...... I worked for a guy once who's attitude towards safety was " you can't save an idiot from himself ". You can tell someone, train someone, give him the right tools, do everything you possibly can.... but in the end its Darwinism.
So should you call that idiot a criminal and put him in jail, or try to make him realize the error of his ways and help him with treatment?
The American approach is jail......... I don't get it.....

[beserker]

I absolutely hate to say this but I really dont see a feasable solution to the drug war stuff. Its my opinion that humans were meant to destroy each other , i believe its in our genetic make-up. Drugs like blow , meth etc... are all tools for self destruction that again is in some peoples genetic make-up . No matter what there is always going to be some degree of conflict and power struggle within each other as well as ourselves , therefore the need for drugs and the attempt to stop it's use is useless. Just my opinion though

[cog]

I absolutely hate to say this but I really dont see a feasable solution to the drug war stuff. Its my opinion that humans were meant to destroy each other , i believe its in our genetic make-up. Drugs like blow , meth etc... are all tools for self destruction that again is in some peoples genetic make-up . No matter what there is always going to be some degree of conflict and power struggle within each other as well as ourselves , therefore the need for drugs and the attempt to stop it's use is useless. Just my opinion though

I can't see the cops just throwing up their hands and saying **** it.controlling access to chemicals used to manufacture meth will likely increase and the penalties for manufacturing and distributing should be dramatically increased.Controlling access to cocaine could solve other problems in our hemisphere.

[tiramisu]

I have to ask. What drug wars?

I really don't see canada engaging in this to any great extent.

[razorsedge]

Drug enforcement in Canada is full of holes...large drug enforcement units are mandated to target organized crime level dealers and attempt to infiltrate drug flow at the importing level or, in the case of cocaine, multi multi kilo level which is basically a step removed from the import levels. These cases use undercover techniques, paid police agents and wiretaps...if there is somewhat of a success such as a sunstantial seizure, many times there are no bodies with it...for example the major cocaine seizures off the west coast in the last few years. At first there are arrests but the red tape and disclosure laws made the prosecution of these cases so complex that very few of these cases..if ANY..go to trial.

The accused persons are always out awaiting trial and the trial dates are set 18-24 months away..by that time the cases fall apart. They never get stronger..no witnesses come forward. Some witnesses disappear or die?? or it becomes evident that police agencies violated rights or gathered evidence illegally no matter how careful they were.

A recent BC case is the one with all the coke in the fruit processing machine that was imported from Mexico..arrests have been made and charges laid...this case will never see the inside of a court room as there were many "blunders" in the investigation...as usual..

In the wirestap case, affidavits get tossed all the time as police sources are challenged and may have to be revealed (just to confirm who they were to the bad guys as they already have a pretty good idea who they are). If the affidavit is validated, the cumbersome disclosure laws always seem to be violated and evidence tossed...

Think about it...when was the last time there was a big drug player in court in Canada..

The only people that get nailed are couriers or bottom end guys in the organization.

After this level enforcement, the next level is by the local police agencies and they do not have the funds to really investigate the local dealers..street level dealers are picked off ...the next level not that often. The people that are in the trade at the 3-4 kilo level of cake are in the abyss...no investigations target these people. They are above the street level far enough to be OK and way under the federal mandate..

Meth enforcement is only done at street level...how often do you hear of a lab takedown in Canada...once, maybe twice a year...and they get chemists if there is a body but not the players.

It's a free for all and the only people that get busted are either stupid or bottom enders...

If you were somewhat successful in your drug business and making good bucks at it....why would you all of a sudden want to deal with a person who is somewhat new in your area or you don't really know them (undercovers)...one reason..greed for more profits which falls under stupidity..

It's a sad state of affairs and the fear instilled by organized crime or gangs have made enforcement even harder as witnesses and sources do not want to get involved..the only success enforcement is having in these level dealers is when one gang takes out another gang guy...and when do you see those hitters get arrested...never..they may get the same...killed..but not arrested..so like stated above, I guess we are kind of in a state of self destruction in this area..

[juced_porkchop]

its obviously not working.
for narcotics i mightnot say legalize. but Cannabis should be 100% legal (with respect to public smoking rules like tobacco of course)

[juced_porkchop]

also steroids are pritty light in laws here but i still think a bit less is nice. for USA they DEFF need ot changer there AAS laws! its soo stupid over there.

[cog]

I have to ask. What drug wars?

I really don't see canada engaging in this to any great extent.

In Vancouver last week there was a shooting involving at least half a dozen victims.How many drug addicts in Van,Edmonton,Calgary,Winnipeg,Toronto and Montreal on a constant crime spree to get their money for dope?How many hookers ruining their lives?And what is the actual cost, in property,ruined lives and policing?It might be more dramatic in Mexico,but there is plenty of damage here.Maybe some people see job security in all this misery?

[beserker]

I can't see the cops just throwing up their hands and saying **** it.controlling access to chemicals used to manufacture meth will likely increase and the penalties for manufacturing and distributing should be dramatically increased.Controlling access to cocaine could solve other problems in our hemisphere.

Im not suggesting that they throw up their hands , i simply dont see a solution as drugs will always find their way into every city , its unfortunate but i think it is fact. If police etc... could stop chemicals for meth and coke being imported that would be great , i just think it is impossible. Sorry thats my bleak outlook.