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    Quote Originally Posted by JonnyO View Post
    Gretzky played in St Louis?
    Yes. He was traded to SL from LA on trade day as SL wass in contention to make a cup run in 95/96. He was playing with Brett Hull at the time. After the season Gretzky was traded to NY.
    I lost 20 pounds...How? I drank bear piss and took up fencing. How the **** you think, son? I exercised.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LonelyBedouin View Post
    Exactly, as I mentioned to my buddy while we were watching the show. How come Gretzky never got a hour special when he left St Louis to play in New York with Messier?? The response I got was "He wasnt the best player in sports at that time"
    Lebron isnt the best player in sports right now either.
    I lost 20 pounds...How? I drank bear piss and took up fencing. How the **** you think, son? I exercised.

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    Quote Originally Posted by natenator View Post
    Lebron isnt the best player in sports right now either.
    who is?

    usain bolt?

    nadal?
    ovechkin?

    adrian peterson?

    michael phelps?

    man thats a good debate.

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    GSP?

    ****, thanks nate now im not gonna sleep thinking bout this.

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    I agree with the widespread feeling that Lebron should not have annoyed the fans of 4 cities.

    When Gretzky was traded from Edmonton he was shattered - that was class.

    The best players in sports imo:
    Mayweather
    Valentino Rossi (best rider ever)
    Bolt (I've never seen a sprinter dominate like that at such a young age, and his competitors are studs in their own right)

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    when Gretzky was traded it was based purely on financial reasons. Wayne felt he deserved to be the highest paid player in the game and wanted to be paid as such and thus wouldn't sign a contract extension with the Oilers before he became an unrestricted free agent.

    Pocklington knew what Wayne wanted and wanted to give him that but realistically the economics just weren't feasible for him to swing the kinf of money Wayne would have been worth on the open market.

    Before all this happened though Jerry Buss, former LA owner approached Pocklington at the 86 Awards ceramony about a trade for Gretzky. Pocklington said no at the time but when Buss sold LA to McNall he told him about the offers for Wayne and McNall made several advances once again. Finally upon realizing the economic situation Pocklington was in a trade was agreed upon which included 2 players, 5 draft picked and $15MM in cash which at that time was $18.5MM CDN which was HUGE sum of money - prob paid for the entire team roster.

    Anyway I'm rambling but the Gretzky trade and the Lebron deal aren't even in the same category.

    I just think Lebron should have tried to finish what he started. Jordan, Magic, Bird, Thomas (even though I hate the worm), Miller, Marino (football), etc, etc, etc. These guys stayed with their teams from day 1. Some won, some didn't but I believe the the desire to win for a team which gave them an opportunity was more important than going to a team simply because it was in a position to win (where's the hard work and effort in that?)
    I lost 20 pounds...How? I drank bear piss and took up fencing. How the **** you think, son? I exercised.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adonis13 View Post
    who is?

    usain bolt?

    nadal?
    ovechkin?

    adrian peterson?

    michael phelps?

    man thats a good debate.
    What about Tiger Woods? He isn't playing his best golf right now but from a historical perspective I think he's right up there with Gretzky and Jordan.
    War only has rules for the loser.

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    Quote Originally Posted by O-Train View Post
    What about Tiger Woods? He isn't playing his best golf right now but from a historical perspective I think he's right up there with Gretzky and Jordan.
    I dont think you can name one player as the best player in sports. Even naming the best player in a genre is hard to do. For instance hockey would Gretzky have scored more than 92 goals in one season or had more than 215 pts in a season in the current NHL which is heavily favored to goal scorers?

    Its a debate I think that could go on forever, only because of the change in rules or the change in equipment (the big change I can think of is golf, both balls and clubs).

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    Quote Originally Posted by natenator View Post
    when Gretzky was traded it was based purely on financial reasons. Wayne felt he deserved to be the highest paid player in the game and wanted to be paid as such and thus wouldn't sign a contract extension with the Oilers before he became an unrestricted free agent.

    Pocklington knew what Wayne wanted and wanted to give him that but realistically the economics just weren't feasible for him to swing the kinf of money Wayne would have been worth on the open market.

    Before all this happened though Jerry Buss, former LA owner approached Pocklington at the 86 Awards ceramony about a trade for Gretzky. Pocklington said no at the time but when Buss sold LA to McNall he told him about the offers for Wayne and McNall made several advances once again. Finally upon realizing the economic situation Pocklington was in a trade was agreed upon which included 2 players, 5 draft picked and $15MM in cash which at that time was $18.5MM CDN which was HUGE sum of money - prob paid for the entire team roster.

    Anyway I'm rambling but the Gretzky trade and the Lebron deal aren't even in the same category.

    I just think Lebron should have tried to finish what he started. Jordan, Magic, Bird, Thomas (even though I hate the worm), Miller, Marino (football), etc, etc, etc. These guys stayed with their teams from day 1. Some won, some didn't but I believe the the desire to win for a team which gave them an opportunity was more important than going to a team simply because it was in a position to win (where's the hard work and effort in that?)
    Thanks for the history lesson (no sarcasm).

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    Usain Bolt is the most dominant athlete today, no debate!

    Roger Federer the best athlete of his generation (off his peak and still playing great)

    Kobe Briant the best basketball player right now

    Lebron has the tools to be the greatest ever but I am not sure about this move to Miami, it will possibly make him to play more playoff games but will change his legacy.

    The truth is: live and see what will happen.


 
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