2010 FAME Canadian Championships

[steve_d]

Fame = wnso

[Andre Gregoire]

Don't have to get the facts from others whne u can get it from the source himself. I know what really happened. no matter what rumour uv heard. No doubt some WNSO guy jsut trying to make their shamfull organisation look good. I passed every test done with them. They only randomly pick a few people to test. At my last Pro show with them I was the only one tested and passed. They then asked me to drive to Halifax on easter weekend and show up at a lab to do a Random test in case I was planning to compete at the worlds that year. I said I was not going to compete at WNSO worlds and was not going to drive the distance on my $ on easter weekend for nothing. So them they said I could not compete with them anymore after that. Funny it coincided with them bouncing a 500$ cheque to me. If u look back I won there worlds that year at 170 lbs. Funny how I jsut recently added 15 lbs of muscle now but not them hmm wonder why. Must have been bad juice back then right.

Sure wish they tested the overall winner the 2 times I lost a motorcycle to that person funny how I was tested and not them. Funny how they said it would look bad for TV if the guy winning the bike failed the test. I know all the facts so stay away from them. Ask the other top competitors why they no longer compete with them (Both male and female).

It's nice to hear your side of the story, thanks for sharing Greg.

[lovetotrain]

Perhaps Greg's story is not all that accurate. After all he did get banned from competing.

Straight from WNSO: Physique Screening Panel officials wanted Greg Doucette retested in the off-season because he did not look clean at his last contest, despite passing the urine test. Officials were able to meet him at his gym to oversee the urine sample, since Greg had refused to drive to the closest lab to him. Greg refused on more than one occasion. Eventually Greg broke down and admitted he used stuff to prepare for his other contests, and thought they would be out of his system by FAME. He didn't realize he was breaking rules. He was.

Now of course his version is going to be whatever it is to protect himself and his integrity. Best to point fingers then admit defeat.

As you can see, WNSO and the FAME World Tour are adamant about cleaning up the stage.

If you want to compete in a natural show, compete WNSO.

[lovetotrain]

just did some digging and found this interesting side-note about more positive test results and Greg: http://www.powerliftingwatch.com/node/14013

[natenator]

Perhaps Greg's story is not all that accurate. After all he did get banned from competing.

Straight from WNSO: Physique Screening Panel officials wanted Greg Doucette retested in the off-season because he did not look clean at his last contest, despite passing the urine test. Officials were able to meet him at his gym to oversee the urine sample, since Greg had refused to drive to the closest lab to him. Greg refused on more than one occasion. Eventually Greg broke down and admitted he used stuff to prepare for his other contests, and thought they would be out of his system by FAME. He didn't realize he was breaking rules. He was.

Now of course his version is going to be whatever it is to protect himself and his integrity. Best to point fingers then admit defeat.

As you can see, WNSO and the FAME World Tour are adamant about cleaning up the stage.

If you want to compete in a natural show, compete WNSO.

It seems you are only here to cause shit.

I'll tell you this, WNSO testing is JOKE. Why? Because I know PLENTY of guys who've competed in FAME/WNSO events before while being juiced up and/or were previously juiced up and passed the "screening panel" and/or urine testing.

Since you seem to have all the "inside knowledge" how come you don't address Greg's claims over cheques bouncing and not being awarded prize money for shows he won and tested clean for?

[lovetotrain]

Then aren't you part of the problem. Why not 'out' those guys so that they can be caught just like Greg was. Everyone knows there are ways to get around urine and lie detectors, which is why the physique screening was developed. Doing so has cleaned up the stage immensely.

It's people like you who feel they have to protect those who are lying and cheating, who then get angry when not everyone is caught. Why is it you didn't share your knowledge direct with wnso? Don't you think that being a natural organization they would have appreciated your words.

Also, perhaps those you think passed the test, actually didn't. Maybe that's why they aren't competing anymore? Like Greg, they too have to make up reasons to finger point.

Prize money? every single person who won prize money was paid, except those who did not pass drug testing. check your sources again.

testing? what better solutions do you have? since the idea is to clean up the stage completely, i'm sure your input will be well received.

[natenator]

Then aren't you part of the problem. Why not 'out' those guys so that they can be caught just like Greg was. Everyone knows there are ways to get around urine and lie detectors, which is why the physique screening was developed.

It's people like you who feel they have to protect those who are lying and cheating, who then get angry when not everyone is caught. Why is it you didn't share your knowledge direct with wnso? Don't you think that being a natural organization they would have appreciated your words.

Also, perhaps those you think passed the test, actually didn't. Maybe that's why they aren't competing anymore? Like Greg, they too have to make up reasons to finger point.

Prize money? every single person who won prize money was paid, except those who did not pass drug testing. check your sources again.

testing? what better solutions do you have? since the idea is to clean up the stage completely, i'm sure your input will be well received.

I could careless about a clean stage. What I care about is a fair stage and that's why I choose to compete in the OPA/CBBF route because it's a fair stage where everyone knows what the score is. Some are clean, some are not but at least every single person going in knows what the deal is. The same cannot be said about 'natural' shows.

Natural shows are a joke. The testing is a joke. People who are clean can often fail the visual screening while people who are or were once gassed up can pass the visual screening.

It's not my job to oust someone for doing something I perceive as wrong. Their own moral compass should dictate that.

I personally know someone who passed a visual test, passed a urine test and won the OA at a MuscleMania show for whom he had to fight tooth and nail to get the motorcycle that he had won because organizers felt he was not natural despite having passed their tests.

For the record and in the interest of full disclosure, he was natural for that show and for about 5 years prior to that show but was not natural prior to those 5 years but regardless he passed their testing requirements, won the show and he STILL had trouble getting the damn bike from them. How's that being a credible organization?

I still contend you're here just to cause shit and if so take a ****ing hike. We got enough people here that do that very well on their own - me included lol

[Adonis13]

I could careless about a clean stage. What I care about is a fair stage and that's why I choose to compete in the OPA/CBBF route because it's a fair stage where everyone knows what the score is. Some are clean, some are not but at least every single person going in knows what the deal is. The same cannot be said about 'natural' shows.

Natural shows are a joke. The testing is a joke. People who are clean can often fail the visual screening while people who are or were once gassed up can pass the visual screening.

It's not my job to oust someone for doing something I perceive as wrong. Their own moral compass should dictate that.

I personally know someone who passed a visual test, passed a urine test and won the OA at a MuscleMania show for whom he had to fight tooth and nail to get the motorcycle that he had won because organizers felt he was not natural despite having passed their tests.

For the record and in the interest of full disclosure, he was natural for that show and for about 5 years prior to that show but was not natural prior to those 5 years but regardless he passed their testing requirements, won the show and he STILL had trouble getting the damn bike from them. How's that being a credible organization?

I still contend you're here just to cause shit and if so take a ****ing hike. We got enough people here that do that very well on their own - me included lol

well said nate.

i know a guy who is getting ready to compete in one of these "natural shows" as this is all he competes in, and the guy does more gear and shit than anyone i know.
its not up to us to turn on eachother, this is a brotherhood. but what does need to happen is these so called "naturals" all need to be tested as soon as they walk in the door of a comp. or get rid of testing and leave it to the best man to take it.

[Andre Gregoire]

lovetotrain the more you post the less I want to compete in fame. Even if what you are saying is true, the way you represent the organization is unprofessional.

I will go the FCPAQ / CBBF route also as a natural, I don't care if I lose I love the sport and if I can present a better physique each show, I have won!

[lovetotrain]

natonator that was not the intention at all. I just saw the promotion for fame and saw what people were saying was not fair.

For those who don't care about competing against other natural athletes, i'm cool with that.

For those who do want to compete in a natural environment, then i recommend FAME.

we're all in this for the love of the sport and i wish us all good luck on our pathways.

stay true to you.