Decided against the Palumbo diet.

[Praetorian]

You are not looking at the BIG picture
Carbohydrate intake (processed or not) is not the cause for obesity/CV disease/etc
It is a result of inactivity+food abundance. Simply we move less and eat more becasue food is easily accessible
And actually studies show we only consume 50calories more today than 50 yeras ago. So clearly the problem is inactivity, which leads to obesity; and once you're obese you are pretty much metabolically ****ed
And the HFCS leading to disease is also kinda silly, it's more of a correlation rather than a causation, people that eat a ton of fast food (with HFCS) will inevitably be consuming a shitload of calories and inevitably be obese

Again this isn't due to processed carbohydrate. It's a result of lower activity levels (energy output) and increased calorie intake (energy input)
WRONG AGAIN...LOOK AT THE NUMBERS....YES PEOPLE EAT MORE TODAY AND MORE THAN THEY NEED...BUT AGAIN IT IS THE TYPE OF FOODS EATEN(THAT IS SIMPLE NUTRITION 101.....DO SOME MORE RESEARCH...ITS NOT LIKE THIS IS A REVELATION


Again you're thinking "small picture"
The only medical benefit of a keto diet is for people with epilepsyCOMPLETELY INCORRECT...KETO DIETS HAVE BEEN USED BY THE MEDICAL COMMUNITY FOR OVER 30-50 YEARS MAYBE MORE TO TREAT OBESITY, TYPE 2 DIABETES, AND CARDIAC DISEASE...PLEASE DO SOME RESEARCH. In which they don't follow a diet that is remotely close to what is recommended on the board here (they follow 90% fat 10% protein)
As for the general population being treated for disease with a keto diet, there isn't anything magical about a keto diet. If someone with poor health was put on a keto diet and improved their internal health (BP, lipids, etc) it was because they lost bodyweight/fat.
AGAIN PLEASE DO SOME MORE RESEARCH...IGNORANCE OF THE FACTS IS NOT HELPING ANYONE HERE...THERE'S PLENTY OF INFORMATION OUT THERE...YOU JUST NEED TO LOOK...


Eliminating a macronutrient group IS extreme. PLEASE NAME ME ONE ESSENTIAL CARBOHYDRATE....JUST ONE!!!!

I love discussing nutrition/dietetics/health sciences because it's the field I'll be entering within about 18 months

IVE BEEN IN IT FOR 20 YEARS...ERR TOO LONG...AM I AGING MYSELF...;O)


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[Praetorian]

NO, there are not. There is 1 cause:
Energy imbalance (energy intake exceeding output)

It's really not a nutrition issue at all. It's a societel issue, inactivity is SOOO low through society and food is EVERYWHERE.

Completely incorrect..a generalization like that only serves to confirm the facts
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PS. I am not going to get into it now but our food has changed dramatically in the last 40 years...and the incidence of disease has risen dramatically. I dont think it is necessary to go into the details of the huge increase in demand for food coops, organics, drug and antibiotic free meats etc if you cant see what food conglomerates are doing to your health i am somewhat shocked...to actually think this is all based on overconsumption and lack of activity is naive to say the least

[Praetorian]

If you were to look for a crash diet then sure, give keto a shot. But insulin spikes are 100% NOT a problem providing you're still in a calorie deficit


good god, there is no metabolic benefit of ketosis over just a regular semi low-moderate carb diet, this is proven (I'm not digging up the studies, you can check lyle mcdonalds website for a research review)

So your thought is; since insulin suppresses lipolysis, and carbs = insulin secretion....well ****, lets just get rid of ALL the carbs and well just loose fat quicker than any other way! Sorry doesn't work that way

And you're example is crazy too; a 1500calorie deficit? He better be loaded up on drugs if he wants to maintain muscle mass. Not too mention the metabolic slowdown that will occur from slashing calories that quickly. If a drug-free person were to do that they would stall within weeks and be metabolically ****ed within a couple months. It might not matter if you have the option of adding GH+t3+clen but for natural that is a terrible idea

If you want to talk extreme then how is providing the brain with a surplus of fuel better than teasing it with minimal glucose? The benefits of a keto diet are multiple....besideS the obvious. Basically it is the same as walking up a flight of stairs....keto you take two at a time to the top....low carb you take two steps up then one step back....you will still get to the top its just not as efficient.
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[Praetorian]

[QUOTE=devo09;345552]ok...crazy = giving a "one size fits all" template/diet to everyone

also..with enough drugs pretty much almost anything will work.. (hopefully that doesn't offend anyone) WHERE DO YOU COME UP WITH THIS STUFF...PRETTY SOON YOULL BE SAYING TAKE WHAT RONNIE TAKES AND YOULL LOOK LIKE RONNIE....OBVIOUSLY YOU HAVENT BEEN IN THIS SPORT FOR VERY LONG...AS YOU GAIN MORE EXPERIENCE YOU WILL REALIZE WHAT WORKS AND WHAT DOESNT....DRUGS DO NOT MAKE UP FOR BAD GENETICS, A BAD DIET, LACK OF CARDIO, OR A TONNE OF WORK IN THE GYM

and palumbo knows his drugs

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[Praetorian]

my thoughts?

Isn't it just lean meats+healthy fats+fruits/veggies? And avoiding starchy carbs?

Why is there any need to eliminate a food group completely? There isn't even conclusive research on what "the caveman" really ate.

It (along with the keto diet) will work for alot ofpeople because essentially it works as a "cutting calories for dummies" diet because it completely eliminates entire food groups, resulting in lower energy intake

How can you even debate the topic if you dont know what the diet even consists of? Who said to eliminate a complete food group...please explain?
You need research to tell you what cavemen ate? LOL
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[ubcpower]

This thread has someone transformed the Palumbo diet into a CKD or generic "keto" diet

[Praetorian]

This thread has someone transformed the Palumbo diet into a CKD or generic "keto" diet

Exactly....without understanding the topic the discussion becomes irrelevant.
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[daande]

He's obviously against doing a good diet there is no point to try and sway his opinion.

[JacktheThriller]

if you think that you could get lean and big off of HFCS and saturated fat, give it a try, they most certainly are major contributors to obesity. More, so why do you people consistantly debate diets at their most extreme idea. NO CARB stop being ridiculous and read a keto diet plan from a credible source, Anabolic Diet, Ketogenic Diet from Lyle McDonald, Palumbo. Read the whole book then make a comment

[natenator]

Does anyone actualyl want to look liek Palumbo?
I'm jsut quoting the diets I hear from people I know. They are not eating fiber they are not eating carbs they are not eating greens, they are not allowed vegetables. How are you goign to get the rememded minimum intake of fiber without vegetables. Metamucil is not goign to cut it. and how are you getting enough vitamins if ur not eating vegetables. What ever happend to being healthy. I mean bodybuilding is unhealthy enough without making it any worse by eating completely the opposite of what any dietician would recomend. Common sense people we need to use more of it sometimes. we should be dieting on a healthy balanced diet whihc of course is higher in protein but also higher in fiber and higher in vegetables and lower in carbs but not zero carbs. and of course you need to do cardio don't let people convince you that you don't need cardio. thats just the lazy ass unhealthy version of trying to take shortcuts.

wow you are ignorant and an idiot if you choose to base your knowledge of something on what what you "hear from people you know". Do some actual reading and come back with an informed opinion.