Ring Pull-ups!

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14-10-2014, 09:27 PM
Primal

Ring Pull-ups!

Hey everyone, my gym recently got a ton of new equipment and one of these was a set of rings that we hung from the ceiling! Apart from giving the gym extra badass points, I was wondering if they are good for bodybuilders any, specifically for pullups? I tried them out a few days ago and they were great because they were hung about 6"6 off the ground so I literally can grab onto them and stretch fully with my feet an inch off the ground :p (lol tall guy problems). Anyways I notice that doing regular pullups is a bit harder with them, I tend to actually go more to do chest to rings when I pull up. It's like it is harder to keep my back straight almost.. do you guys use rings any and if you do, do you find them useful for pull ups or should I just leave them?

Thanks!

-Primal
15-10-2014, 12:46 PM
Want2lift

Muscle ups on rings are awesome. Takes a lot of strength, uses every muscle you have.
15-10-2014, 08:40 PM
cog

^^^^
Muscle ups are pretty tough for people carrying extra leg mass.
Primal if you can manage strict style with those long arms....I find getting a good arch in the thoracic is best,experiment with the width of the rings as well.You could use some method to lessen the resistance at first,one leg touching a small platform or a band.
16-10-2014, 12:08 AM
Primal

Haha, yeah actually my training partner is really into 'functional' movements and he can knock out muscle ups on the rings really easy and quick with no kipping... yeah he makes me look pretty bad sometimes. I've tried to do muscle ups a few times just for fun and I can almost do them on the bar. I can't even get started on the rings because when I get to the false grip, my wrists are literally so small and weak that I can't even hang from the rings with my body-weight with that grip. It's pretty embarrassing, but hopefully I'll build some wrist strength and finally progress with it.

Yeah cog I have have a lot of weight in my legs and with my long thin bones, it doesn't make for a good combination for muscle ups I think! I'll stop with the excuses now :P I definitely find that I can get a much better stretch down at the bottom. I'll see what I can do for the width of the rings, they are pretty hard to adjust because they are attached on buckles to the ceiling and you need a ladder but I'll see what I can do. I was wondering if you guys thought it was useful for maybe your stabalizers? I'm really trying to bring up my core this year and I thought that maybe activating it better with the rings was a good way to go? Thoughts on this?

-Primal
16-10-2014, 05:04 AM
cog

You have freedom of movement with the rings .Band pull aparts or reverse flyes should be included.
16-10-2014, 09:35 AM
Want2lift

Doing dips on rings Is a whole new experience as well.
17-10-2014, 07:17 AM
cog

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Originally Posted by Want2lift

Doing dips on rings Is a whole new experience as well.

Yes.I like ring flyes as well.
17-10-2014, 01:47 PM
Primal

Yeah I heard ring dips are pretty cool as well... only problem is I'd literally have to be able to do a muscle up to actually get up there to do a dip and since I can't do that, I can't do ring dips. I don't know how to do ring flyes cog, is it stuff that the gymnasts do where they extend there arms out to make a T shape?

-Primal
17-10-2014, 09:43 PM
cog

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Originally Posted by Primal

Yeah I heard ring dips are pretty cool as well... only problem is I'd literally have to be able to do a muscle up to actually get up there to do a dip and since I can't do that, I can't do ring dips. I don't know how to do ring flyes cog, is it stuff that the gymnasts do where they extend there arms out to make a T shape?

-Primal

When they put the rings up in the clouds they are of no use to most people.TRX will substitute.For the flyes your feet go on a 1-4 foot platform,the handles are 1-4 feet in height,do some flyes,if it's tough,bend your elbows.You could also do them standing and adjust the angle of your lean.
19-10-2014, 01:00 PM
tex

pushups with the rings just off the ground are great....you can do a "rack chin" type of move on the rings that is a real mother ****er
20-10-2014, 01:22 PM
Primal

Jesus the pushups sound like hell.... I'll make sure to give them a shot ;)

-Primal
27-10-2014, 09:46 PM
Praetorian

Ever see a pro BB use rings....most likely because they really would like to keep their rotator cuffs and bicep tendons intact. There is a reason why male gymnast rarely weigh over 150lbs, hold about 70% of their muscle above the waist. If you want to excel as an athlete look to what the elite athletes in their sport did to get where they are. You want to be a BB do what BB do not what a 150lb gymnast does.

P
29-10-2014, 01:53 PM
Primal

Oh ok got you Prae, just wanted to see if there was a different angle to hit back with rings any. Thanks though, I'll leave the rings :P

-Primal
30-10-2014, 11:02 AM
cog

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Originally Posted by Primal

Oh ok got you Prae, just wanted to see if there was a different angle to hit back with rings any. Thanks though, I'll leave the rings :P

-Primal

Gironda used some rings.Don't completely straighten your arms during flyers.Some movements are simply too hard if you squat .You can do inverted rows without putting stress on your lower back if its tired.Rings have their time and place.Maybe if some of the pros used them you would see more striations.:)
30-10-2014, 11:57 PM
Primal

Wow, never heard of Vince Gironda but he had a nice classic physique! Haha, that last part... shots fired :P

-Primal
31-10-2014, 05:08 AM
cog

Those gymnasts are trying to keep their weight down.I have never looked at their diets.Training.Diet.Drugs.All three influence your physique.Charles Poliquin claims the biggest front squat of 535 for 3 he witnessed was performed by a 165 pound Olympic lifter.Obviously a pound is not a pound is not a pound when it comes to muscle mass.
31-10-2014, 08:13 AM
faller

Gironda trained some of the top pro's in the 70's including Arnold. He was probably one of the most respected and hated trainers of his day. Legend has it that he had no bench press's in his gym and if he caught you doing any type of chest pressing he'd kick you out of his gym. I've used a lot of his training methods simply because he focused mostly on hypertrophy.
31-10-2014, 01:02 PM
scottlove

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Originally Posted by cog

Those gymnasts are trying to keep their weight down.I have never looked at their diets.Training.Diet.Drugs.All three influence your physique.Charles Poliquin claims the biggest front squat of 535 for 3 he witnessed was performed by a 165 pound Olympic lifter.Obviously a pound is not a pound is not a pound when it comes to muscle mass.

Isn't there a video of Ronnie Coleman front squatting 7 or 8 plates?
31-10-2014, 02:48 PM
Hosehead

I think it is 6 plates - 585. For 6 or so.
31-10-2014, 04:02 PM
scottlove

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Originally Posted by Hosehead

I think it is 6 plates - 585. For 6 or so.

You're right Hosehead, what a wimp. The video I was thinking of was actually him doing back squats with 800lbs.
31-10-2014, 07:41 PM
Praetorian

Quote:

Originally Posted by cog

Those gymnasts are trying to keep their weight down.I have never looked at their diets.Training.Diet.Drugs.All three influence your physique.Charles Poliquin claims the biggest front squat of 535 for 3 he witnessed was performed by a 165 pound Olympic lifter.Obviously a pound is not a pound is not a pound when it comes to muscle mass.

Olympic lifters have big front squats because of the exercises they perform when they train which are much different from powerlifters.

P
31-10-2014, 11:52 PM
Primal

Quote:

Originally Posted by faller

Gironda trained some of the top pro's in the 70's including Arnold. He was probably one of the most respected and hated trainers of his day. Legend has it that he had no bench press's in his gym and if he caught you doing any type of chest pressing he'd kick you out of his gym. I've used a lot of his training methods simply because he focused mostly on hypertrophy.

Wow can't believe I haven't heard of this guy, I will do some research on him training methods... Harsh for the chest exercises though. Wonder what he had against chest?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SkdCNeslO9E (This video) Can't see how many plates but its an 800 lb back squat... http://beastmotivation.com/ronnie-coleman-7/

-Primal
01-11-2014, 11:19 AM
cog

OK so Coleman got another 50 pounds,how deep lol?Its just a merry go round.:)Many people have been of the opinion that benching is a lousy way to build the chest.How man guys wrecked their shoulders benching heavy?Legions.While we are at it,Marc Gagne,the guy that owns Gagne Fitness,trained with Arnold and Franco around 83.Franco was the powerlifter,Arnold definitely NOT.I bet it was Westside that started that story.Marc competed at 265,never uses heavy weights and he's still huge at 53.
01-11-2014, 10:56 PM
Hosehead

Quote:

Originally Posted by cog

OK so Coleman got another 50 pounds,how deep lol?Its just a merry go round.:)Many people have been of the opinion that benching is a lousy way to build the chest.How man guys wrecked their shoulders benching heavy?Legions.While we are at it,Marc Gagne,the guy that owns Gagne Fitness,trained with Arnold and Franco around 83.Franco was the powerlifter,Arnold definitely NOT.I bet it was Westside that started that story.Marc competed at 265,never uses heavy weights and he's still huge at 53.

Benching is lousy for some but necessary for me , and I never use more than 315 for reps. Dumbell presses do nothing for me . When I bench , and 275 reps seems to be the best weight on incline and flat , I get virtually no pump in my shoulders. Maybe if I was moving 365 or more then I'd have them. But I have built a good chest on 2 sets of flat , two of incline , 2 flyes and 2 crossovers or dips. Some guys get sweet **** all from using barbells but I love them. I think when you have a naturally ectomorphic body type you have to use heavy weights to build size. If you already have a build suited to growth then I think you can and should go as light as you can if you plan to train injury free into your 60s and 70s. Pros have to lift heavy at some point. No pro ever built a great body without lifting heavy .
01-11-2014, 10:57 PM
Hosehead

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Originally Posted by Primal

Wow can't believe I haven't heard of this guy, I will do some research on him training methods... Harsh for the chest exercises though. Wonder what he had against chest?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SkdCNeslO9E (This video) Can't see how many plates but its an 800 lb back squat... http://beastmotivation.com/ronnie-coleman-7/

-Primal

He had nothing against chest. It was the approach he disagreed with.
02-11-2014, 07:33 AM
cog

@hosehead
I didn't ask Marc what he did to build,if I used what he does now .....guy still has huge arms and back.Got into an accident with a dump truck so he doesn't squat,uses a machine.He uses a lot of partials as well.
03-11-2014, 01:14 AM
Primal

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hosehead

Benching is lousy for some but necessary for me , and I never use more than 315 for reps. Dumbell presses do nothing for me . When I bench , and 275 reps seems to be the best weight on incline and flat , I get virtually no pump in my shoulders. Maybe if I was moving 365 or more then I'd have them. But I have built a good chest on 2 sets of flat , two of incline , 2 flyes and 2 crossovers or dips. Some guys get sweet **** all from using barbells but I love them. I think when you have a naturally ectomorphic body type you have to use heavy weights to build size. If you already have a build suited to growth then I think you can and should go as light as you can if you plan to train injury free into your 60s and 70s. Pros have to lift heavy at some point. No pro ever built a great body without lifting heavy .

I totally agree with you on the last part there Hosehead... It's funny, I was just thinking about this today. got a nice critique from an older lifter today at the gym who said that my shoulders were really developed and he asked what I did for them. I told them what Delt King and Prae (and even you might have helped me on Hosehead) told me a few months ago when I asked. I started with light lateral raises and really got the feel that activated the muscle the most for me (pinkies up e.t.c.). After I got good at that, started upping the weight to heavy for me 40 lb dumbbells for some reps and from there every single set I did I did an insane drop set all the way to failure. I end up barely being able to lift 10 lbs. This got me thinking that all my best bodyparts are the ones that I go to failure on the most and totally destroy them... Shoulders, back, legs. Thinking I'm gonna try failure training this time with my chest. I've tried and tried to bump up my bench and honestly it's not worth doing accessory movements like floor press just to help get me over a 225 lb bench.. that's just pathetic in my opinion. Gonna try and blast my chest for a month and see how it goes. Hopefully my chest will finally grow to its potential. Thanks again Hosehead for advising that I warmup with chest flyes. I still do that today and I get a lot of blood in the muscle and it helps me connect better with it.

-Primal
03-11-2014, 10:37 PM
Praetorian

Quote:

Originally Posted by cog

OK so Coleman got another 50 pounds,how deep lol?Its just a merry go round.:)Many people have been of the opinion that benching is a lousy way to build the chest.How man guys wrecked their shoulders benching heavy?Legions.While we are at it,Marc Gagne,the guy that owns Gagne Fitness,trained with Arnold and Franco around 83.Franco was the powerlifter,Arnold definitely NOT.I bet it was Westside that started that story.Marc competed at 265,never uses heavy weights and he's still huge at 53.

Any exercise done incorrectly will lead to injury...the bench press being the most popular will always lead the list especially because he majority of people doing it have no idea what they are doing.

Blame the technique not the exercise.

P
05-11-2014, 12:54 PM
cog

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Originally Posted by Praetorian

Any exercise done incorrectly will lead to injury...the bench press being the most popular will always lead the list especially because he majority of people doing it have no idea what they are doing.

Blame the technique not the exercise.

P

Plenty of experienced bb'ers with good coaching have still been injured,although powerlifting seems to claim more.