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hey guys, i was on 70mg of tren eod for about 6 weeks and 100mg of test prop eod.
you guys think a simple pct would suffice?
(im 25 years old)
clomid
50mg for 2 weeks then
25mgs for 2 weeks ? or should i include anything else? i have full access to pretty much everything necessary.
Tren shuts one down pretty hard, but 6 weeks is pretty short...Regardless, you are shut down...Try a 10 weeker minimum next time, 6 weeks is just beginning really....IMO..I would run the test out another 4 weeks after the tren ceases..Quote:
Originally Posted by hostile
I would use hcg starting 2 weeks prior to last shot, i do 300-500 ius eod and take nolvadex along with it, 20 mgs per day, i used 10 mgs and it worked well also....
Adex is pretty strong, as well as aromasin, but can be used in small amounts if not a nolva fan...
Run the hcg out 2 - 4 weeks after last shot, run chlomid 50 mgs ed throughout...Run the hcg throughout pct, taper off nolvadex at the end, or use a small amount of aromasin when ending nolvadex..Nolva only binds to estrogen, does not kill it, nor stop you from producing it, and it will become unbound and enter your system, 2 weeks should be fine for an AI..
Just a basic regular pct, There are lots of theories, this one works for me...
You need to keep estro in check at this time, as your body will not produce test naturally with high estro levels, due to the body trying to maintain homeostasis, estro levels high are also a sign to the body that test needs to be reduced as they rise together simutaneously...And the body sees this as a negative, and will shut you down..
i had to cut the tren out cause i just couldnt take it this time around man. i actually had to cut the whole cycle short...
i wanna start this off by saying i just had to cut the cycle short and am a little confused on how big of a PCT i need here.
I was on 70mg of tren eod for about 6 weeks and 100mg of test prop eod.
you guys think a simple pct would suffice?
(im 28 years old)
clomid
50mg for 2 weeks then
25mgs for 2 weeks ? or should i include anything else? i have full access to pretty much everything necessary.
See above about running test longer....You will thank me...
I would suggest Clomid at 50mg twice daily (12 hours apart) combined with Nolvadex 10mg twice daily (12 hours apart) for three weeks...that should do t since your cycle was fairly short.
P
I'd say pretty well the same minus the clomid and add hcg. Just from personal experience I found using these two worked very well for me. If everything is at your disposal, I would be taking peptides for the duration of your off period between cycles.... all depends on how much experience you have with gear etc.
oh, i ****ed up in a bit of my post. i did the tren ace for 6 weeks and the test prop for 10 weeks. is that still ok for the same pct you guys have lined out? also because it's tren ace and test prop, do i start my pct 4 days after my last injection?
Clomid and Nolva act slightly differently on the HPTA...they work much better together than if used separately. Also if you are going to use HCG then you will also need an AI such as aromasin otherwise you will run into estrogen issue from testosterone conversion and be hit with a rebound because neither clomid nor nolva act as AI's..they are SERM's. The estrogen rebound will suppress HPTA thus recovery is stalled or limited at best. I chose Clomid and and Nolva because it is a mild PCT...adding HCG is aggressive PCT and may not be necessary on the cycle you posted.
P
As IW says you wont recover if estrogen is high...which is the main reason many who use HCG and dont recover then blame the HCG. The estrogen produced via aromatization of the endogenous testosterone spike is not controlled and allowed to build up in the body which as IW says will end up shutting you down again. Thus if HCG is used an AI is recommend in conjunction. Clomid and Nolva will block estrogen but do not eliminate its creation via aromatization...as well recovery is not only specific to the testes you need to restart the hypothalamus...his is the main reason behind using clomid and or nolvadex. It has been shown that they both act slightly differently on the Hypothalamus and it has also been shown that if used together the effect is much more pronounced than if used on their own.
P
so since its test prop and tren ace i should start my PCT 4 days after my last shot?
That would work...
P
thanks a lot brother
P knows a lot when it comes to this stuff.... definately a good guy to listen and learn from.