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2012 IFBB Arnold Amateur - 4th Light-Heavyweight
2011 OPA Ontario Provincial Championships - 7th Heavyweight
2010 OPA Ontario Provincial Championships - 2nd Middleweight
2010 OPA Festival City Stratford Championships - 1st Middleweight
2009 OPA Ottawa Championships - 4th Heavyweight
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Isn't he doing the Nationals? Just odd since I see he didn't qualify this year!
looks like he qualified in 2010. he came 2nd. Those who came 2nd-5th in 2010 would have a bye to do the 2010 nationals, or the 2011. By coming 7th this year, he would not lose his status...Although, I am slightly confused why he would have done provincials this year if his plan was to do nationals. Seems to me that just makes it harder on you dieting all year and what not.
That said, I saw a recent pic, and i think he finally stepped up his game. he really looked lean in it, and definitely was on pace.
I'm confused by that also. Why make it harder on yourself UNLESS he understands he has a problem dialing it in therefore the additional time to get lean (Provincials) then get even leaner (Nationals) is what he's shooting for.
Who knows. I know I sure as hell wouldn't want to diet for what basically amounts to 7-8 months just for nothing. He has to of known he'd get smoked at a HW at Provincials this year?
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Originally Posted by steve_d
When i spoke to the OPA regarding the same kind of situation with one of my clients and i was told that if they compete at Provincials like Tony did and don't place top 5 they lose their qualification to Nationals even with a 2nd place the year prior. He quoted some part of the rule book to me. If in fact he is allowed to compete at Nationals, i wish him good luck, it's going to be tough one in light-heavy or especially heavy weight. It'll be a real eye opener.Quote:
Originally Posted by steve_d
He's gonna get smoked in either LOLQuote:
Originally Posted by Delt King
I think Shannon will even have a difficult time but one thing Shannon has for him is he knows to bring total conditioning and he's uber balanced in his physique. No real weaknesses in my opinion. Of course, I am biased but I am also harsh so maybe not so biased lol
I thought that was the case. If so I would be pissed if I was the 6th place guy and didn't get the token invite! As we all know before the rule change and condensed levels you would have to earn your way to the Nationals by placing top three in your class.Quote:
Originally Posted by Delt King
Best of luck!:beer
I've heard different stories, but whatever.. Kid has potential and I hope he's pounding it!! Judgin by his last pic, definetly looks better!
He wasn't planning on being HW @ the provincials... He wanted to be LHW but missed it..ect ect
I am gonna have to agree on this. Tony realistically should be in the old middleweight class. Ie under 187. At 187, his structure will have a hard time against the really good guys who are 187, as well as the really good guys who are 198. I do think he'll place in the top 10 though, but top 5 is going to be insanely tough. Shannon should be able to squeeze into a top 5 spot if he's made some gains to his chest since last show.Quote:
Originally Posted by natenator
If Shannon comes in shape...he'll be a major threat for a class win and potential pro card. (yes i am predicting this now, lmao)
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Here he is, @ 183lb and he took 2nd I think??
I will say, he looks sharper now.. I can't get effn BB to upload his cvurrent pic..
not that this belong in this thread, but no way will he be taking that pro card unless he looks like a whole new person since last competition. But again, top 5 definitely possible!Quote:
Originally Posted by Delt King
Tony is ready! Best I have ever seen him! Bluenose are you competing?
Tony has a lot of potential. He came in 1st middleweight at the 2010 OPA Statford Championship and 2nd middleweight at the 2010 OPA Ontario Provincial Championships. Then he made the mistake of training with personal trainer Sherrie Agius and came in 7th heavyweight at the 2011 OPA Ontario Provincial Championship under her training. This is the same show that he placed 2nd the year before in 2010. He needs to go back to what worked for him in the past and train by himself. Middleweight class will be a good class for him.
I'll actualy defend Sherrie on this one. Ther 1lb weight difference that put him HW was both their faults, both her and Tony should have had their own scale with them before hand and not relied on the official weigh-in one to realize he was 2lbs over. Tony also will be the first to tell you he didn't do as much cardio as he should have cause he was worried about losing too much mass. I think he's learned his lesson and is listening to Sherrie more closely. This woman brings her competitors to the stage in good condition I will not take that away from her. She has Jordan Janvier looking stage ready today and still has to bring him down so he's not a SHW! Tony's wheels are excellent, he just has some upper body parts to bring up, but he's just a kid in bodybuilding terms, he's got a long time to complete his package unlike the old farts like me.Quote:
Originally Posted by freaky abs
yeah, but making lhw would not have really changed how well he did...Sure, instead of 7th, he might have cracked top 5, but he wasn't winning LHW....Quote:
Originally Posted by BigGuns21
Why did he compete though in the first place?
He definitley would have cracked top 5, prob 3rd or 4th, Jay Green had 2nd pretty wrapped up I think. Not sure why he chose to do the Onatrio's twice when he was already qualified...Quote:
Originally Posted by steve_d
the only reason (I could see) that someone would re-do provincials after coming 2nd the year before would be to come back to win it. In that case, it isn't necessarily nationals being the goal, its that they would want a victory under their belt. With that said, a week before the show, someone should have said: you aren't ready to win LHW and saved the trouble. He risked losing his qualification, which is essentially what I think should have happened according to at least the old ontario rules.
Not that he isn't a top 5 provincial caliber athlete - because he definitely is (in the right class), but rules are rules.
I'd like to know what he is weighing now. not that it matters with the new class, but I really think he is built for the old middleweight class (up to 187). In fact, when he placed 2nd in 2010, I think he should have gone light middle.
That was bad advice from his trainer to do the provincials again after 2nd place victory the year before. Yes I agree with you, he should have been in the middleweight class. He would have won that class.
Tony competed at provincials because he wanted too. It was his choice to compete not Sherries! Remember he is only 22 years old! I think most of you guys are saying he wont win the nationals. But he has sooo many more years to win this and I think we can all say the more you step on stage the
better you will do in the long run. He is still learning alot and thats why I think he did provincials! To learn!
Far as I know..last week he was 209lb, I'm thinkin and hoping he has learned his lesson.. I'd kill for 1/3 of his genetics..but potential will only get ya so far.. Still got to do work.. I want to see him absolutely peeled..
At lower level shows you can get by with less comditioning and make up for it with size but at a national level show, not a chance. Or rather, very often not a chance. There have been some squeekers lolQuote:
Originally Posted by phatkid77
Prior to 2009, you had to place in the top 3 to qualify for the Nationals. Today 4th and 5th place finishers now squeeze thru to the next stage. If you place 4th or 5th place at the provincials, you do not stand a chance at the Nationals.
I disagree with that. I was 4th at Provincials this year, a very close 3rd but guarantee you I will belong on the National stage next year. Some may come in the same every show but I've made steady improvements each year in my symetry and conditioning. Size is not an issue as I'm always one of the biggest in my class. If you utilize your offseason properly you can make massive changes in a year's time. Did I belong on the National stage this year? Not a chance, improvements were needed and they will be made by next August.Quote:
Originally Posted by freaky abs
Hopefully ur gettin some extra arm sessions in;) lol ****er
I somewhat agree...but I guess it depends what people use the word belonging to mean...Tim Love came 5th at provincials last year if I recall, and everyone says he will do damage this year. Personally I am a little skeptic on anyone unable to place top 3 at provincials being able to 'do damage' at nationals the year later. 1 year is not a lot of time, and unless you either showed up out of shape and came top 5 in an easy class, then you will not 'do damage'...Belong their, yes, but be in contention...no, that takes YEARS from placing 5th in a province to going to nationals.Quote:
Originally Posted by BigGuns21
but yes, for sure 4th and 5th place finishers in the largest province in the hard weight classes should be allowed to compete at nationals...doesn't mean they will place, but neither does winning provincials! top 3 at nationals is no joke.
It also depends a lot on the weight class you were in...I DON'T believe a 5th place finisher in light middle or lower should compete at nationals...they will get slaughtered. Particularly when there is often less than 5 guys in those lighter classes! I think there were 6 in my class last year. Should all but 1 get to do nationals? seems a little easy.
Well said Steve D, you know your bodybuilding man.Quote:
Originally Posted by steve_d
I think the point being made isnt that you won't belong on a national stage but rather you won't stand a chance at a top 3 finish on a national stage in the 4 or 5 position coming from provincials.
You have made big improvements in 3 years but you have a long way still to go to fill out areas to counterbalace the size of your delts and arms. Lat width needs to improve as you arms hide a lot, legs still need a lot of size to match your upper (have made great progress here already) and chest still needs to fill out.
I'm in agreement that 4th and 5th won't be normally (keyword) competitive on a national stage.
I think the move from top 3 to allowing 4th and 5th waters down the talent pool at the national level a but. Much in the same way the IFBB is moving away from top 3 in shows for olympia qualifications - to try and ensure they have the best on stage.
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Originally Posted by BigGuns21
I agree Natenator, the move from top 3 to allowing 4th and 5th place winners to get in reduces the quality talent that should be at a Canadian National Championships.Quote:
Originally Posted by natenator
A fourth place finisher in Ontario in the heavier classes is likely equal to a second place qualifier in a smaller province just based on population. Shouldn't he get the same chance as the other of getting beat at Nationals. lol
Nationals is a whole other ball game...it was a huge eye opener for me for sure.
18 days to go. And we will see who decided to bring the best package.:beer
My answer to that would piss the 2nd place finishers off from the small provinces...lol.
Seriously though, the new IFBB rule that only winners will be qualified for the olympia is awesome - keeps the highest show SUPER ELITE. And keeping our old rule in ontario at Top 3 only qualifies would be better. It would ensure that those people from ontario are placing in the front of the pack, and not just all over the pack. Yes, the 5th place finisher in ontario might be better than the 2nd place finisher in say, NS - but in all likelihood, those 2 guys will finish out of the top 10, or even worse. My vote would be only send the winner of each class, and let them battle it out. Of course, that implies less competitors, less fans, less money...So not really an option.
I guess that vision is part of what the elite show down is all about ...
Is he ready?? You be the judge!!
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJfwl6eyz6Q
Is he ready? He's in great shape but he's not stage ready...at least from the back. But hey we're still 17 days out and neither am i nor many of us competing stage ready right now. He's close enough though that he very well could be. Light heavy is going to be the most enormous class in the show.
Going out on a limb here...but he is not ready! If that video is from 17 days out then he is not. Smooth, fat, watery, sodium load, spilling over, poor lighting in the gym what ever the culprit he's not on track!
For god sake who ever took that video you might want to shoot farther away than 12 inches!
Agreed and not even close.Quote:
Originally Posted by bluenose
How tall is he? Must be midget height if one can do pullups in a smith machine. My knees would be dragging on the floor lol
I agree he is not ready. He is doing the Lightheavy weight class. This is the Canadian National Championships. He is not ready.Quote:
Originally Posted by bluenose
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here is a pic 4 Weeks out!
I think he will be ready come time to step on stage! I'll eat crow if he's not top 3 light heavy weights!
Get the crow ready...lol
He was lookin decent here, but this back workout isint doing justice.....
I was just thinking how long till Phat kid posts something negative! Lol On the other hand Heath looked like shit eh hahah
Glad to see your still around!
Ok, just to have an idea of what a National level top three would look like. Granted one is already pro, but the other two will most likely compete. Top three would be would be pretty good for your first Nationals. Not seeing it by the video's or picture! Besides we just have to wait to see what he looks like when standing beside someone else. Someone may look great standing amonst gym rats. But under the stage lights in comparisons will be different!
My amateur opinion is he has a decent shape, but needs more thickness all over, more detail and come in shape!