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In this video she trains legs. She is working with Kim Oddo. Figure has really taken on a "softer" look in last few years. Like many figure pros now, she no longer trains heavy...........
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In this video she trains legs. She is working with Kim Oddo. Figure has really taken on a "softer" look in last few years. Like many figure pros now, she no longer trains heavy...........
Few pounds lighter in the upper body from just last year?
this bugs the shit outta me..
You dont want women BB's to look like little men.. ok ,I can accept that..
but getting women to NOT reach thier full potential is so fakken archaic.. whatever..
Ill keep training heavy thanks
She competes in Figure, personally I think she looks great.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dryvrgrl
omg how friggin boring, she does look great though
Soooo hot.
I personally agree with dryvrgrl. That is too much in the other direction in my opinion.
This is a physique and workout routine I'd expect from bikini class not figure.
I'm all for woman bodybuilders toning it down and not giving themselves sex changes with androgenics but still being muscular and feminine if they are to survive. I'd like to see womans bodybuilding much like how fitness was at its most hardcorp some years back. Those physiques can be attained without testosterone.
I'd like to see figure/fitness 1 step below that with a little higher bodyfat percentage and a few pound less muscle.
I'd like to see bikini much like these new figure athletes are built.
I'd like to see the current bikini models as beautiful as they are, not eligible. There are other places where girls can go walk around in a bikini that don't even really lift weights.
i agreeQuote:
Originally Posted by O-Train
agreed.....:DQuote:
Originally Posted by Talo
I was having this discussion yesterday. IMO I dont care what category you are entering, the women should look like they train. Even bikini there should be muscle tone.
I get it that there are not alot of women willing to sacrifice there bodies to look like men anymore, its a bit of a shame me thinks, but still if you are going to go on stage you should work your ass off to get there.
agreed. This is not a matter of someone not reaching their 'potential'...she has the potential to be huge, thats good for her, but she competes in figure, and if they aren't going for huge, then don't get huge...if that means not taining heavy, then that is what it means - it's not archaic.Quote:
Originally Posted by O-Train
It bugs me when people think figure or bodybuilding rules for that matter or 'archaic' or discriminating against women or whatever you wanna call it. It is a sport (well, a beauty pagent) and there are criteria to follow, and if that means not training heavy, thats what it means. Same can be said about the drugs a figure girl might take vs. a bodybuilder...is it archaic that figure girls don't need as much as a bodybuilder to reach elite? same comparison to training....figure girls don't need to train as heavy as bodybuilders. Bikini girls don't need to train as heavy as figure girls. But that doesn't mean they aren't reaching their 'potential'....
Not only that, 1 girl training as hard and as heavy and as often as a male bodybuilder may actually only genetically get to the size of a bikini competitor...whereas another girl could barely train and still have the muscle size to be an elite figure girl. Genetics dictate what these girls need to do in and out of the gym...and how to eat and what supplements to take. Ava Cowan in this example likely falls into a category of needing to take it easier in the gym than someone else to reach her potential as an elite figure competitor.
These sports are NOT about who trains the hardest or diets the most, or takes the most supplements. It's about who looks best on stage given the criteria. If the criteria were who looks like they train the heaviest, then the sport they would enter might be powerlifting. This again, is a beauty contest. Beauty defined specifically to a certain body type. Athletes do what they need to given their genetics to get to that certain look they might be judging for.
as mentioned above, you could be right. for some bikini competitors this is how they might train...How do you think Iris Kyle would have train for a figure contest? My guess would be: lay down on the couch all day and not eat protein.Quote:
Originally Posted by japh
Figure and bikini is not the same as male bodybuilding. Male bodybuilding is about adding muscle. Because more is basically always going to be better. Figure and bikini is about showing a sexy body, therefore more is not going to be better for some. but more is better for others who have to work harder to gain muscle.
So I can't really agree with you and drvgirl...those divisions are not about seeing how far your body can go. female bodybuilding maybe.
Of course you boys are right.. she looks great!!
Its great that us "girls" have boys like you to look out for us all and create classes we can fit into so that we stay pretty and cute and NOT TOOOOOOO strong cause that might step on your masculine little tootsies a bit.. *giggle giggle* gonna go do my nail;s now hug hug xoxo
I actually agree with the guys..... SHE needs to do what she needs in order to get to where she needs to go.....which you are also doing DG. I think you take things a bit to personal ;) I know your dieting (no attack here).Quote:
Originally Posted by Dryvrgrl
I have been through a few trainers in the past few years, and one trainer had me doing high reps and not heavy to gain what I needed to. Another trainer had me lifting heavy right through my prep. This was all for bodybuilding!!!
Personally it is not all about lifting as heavy as you can..... I was talking to a fantastic bodybuilder on the week-end and she commented on the same thing....how annoying it is when people always ask how heavy can you lift? It's not about the weight it's how you lift and do it to make personal gains. You can go in and throw heavy weight around all you want...BUT if your not doing it right WTH is the point. IW is great for that if I am lifting to heavy and my form sucks.....well my weight goes down!
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Originally Posted by Dryvrgrl
WOW! You really think that? It has nothing to do with strength and she is not in bodybuilding is she?
If you don't adapt to the way the rules are going then your going nowhere and she is adapting to what has to be done in HER event.
You betcha....Thats what its all about...Being the best you can be in the parameters chosen and communicated by the judging group.....:DQuote:
Originally Posted by Talo
Some have it, some dont....It is reality..
I highly doubt you are intimidating any men in the gym, if so, then you need to find a real one...lol:greetQuote:
Originally Posted by Dryvrgrl
if ava cowan worked out the way you might work out, she'd be too big for figure.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dryvrgrl
Figure is not about being pretty and cute. some figure girls look downright nasty if you ask me. I am not saying female bodybuilding is dumb...I am saying the division one wishes to succeed in will dictate the way you work out given your own genetics.
If jay cutler actually wanted to be a fitness model, how do you think he would train? Ava wants to be in figure, not bodybuilding.
The way you talk about it makes it seem like there would simply be no distinction between divisions. either that, or you think bikini and figure should be knocked out, because those divisions require some girls to not train as hard as you to succeed.
PS: there are girls that will be completely natural, and train half as hard as you and get double the results. It's a fact of life. Same as me...I train harder than many of the people I know, and yet still don't get the same results. For me to be a bodybuilder, it requires training to my limit. And the other part of this reality is that if YOU wanted to compete in figure, your genetics would still require you to train as heavy as a bodybuilder, and you'd still be smaller than what figure is looking for.
So don't knock down figure just because 1 or 2 girls post videos saying they have to tone their workouts down. they are not complaining about toning it down...I am sure they are actually quite happy they don't need to look like Iris Kyle to succeed.
^^^^I don't disagree with anything you've said steve. It all makes perfect sense. Her routine is still quite difficult and requires hard work.
I personally find my powerlifting routines to be the easiest and when I was training as a competetive boxer that was by far the hardest with 100 rep dropsets with 1 minute rest and running up hills getting my heartrate into the 180's.
My perception based on my own personal preference is just that things have been toned down a little too much with regards to fitness/figure and bikini. They all look great still and depending on genetics have to put the work in. Iris kyle could compete in figure by doing cardio only. She could just take up swimming for developement and watch her diet.
It really is a beauty pageant more than ever now though.
All the top competitors are beautiful facially as well which is no coincedence. Thats OK too I suppose just so long as its recognized as such I suppose and accepted.
Cory everson in the early 80's when she was winning olympia's before she played the size game seems like a nice figure/fitness physique to me. The current fitness/figure athletes seem like nice bikini physiques to me. The current bikini competitors have no real muscle tone to speak of and so it seems a strange to me that they are part of a fitness show but I understand why things are the way they are.
They all look great but my personal expectation in developement is just a little higher than it is right now for these classes. I'm not saying I'm right or wrong. Just my expectation still and preference.
I think she looked better last year.My suspicion is that the change in her physique might be due to other factors...
although, you realize that the figure winners still have more muscle than the ms. olympia winners for bodybuilding about 2-3 decades ago...and many of top figure girls in this country and world have more muscle mass than is genetically possible for a women to achieve without at least a little bit of something. So how is it 'toning' it down, if in order to be the best, you still need to get to a point that is beyond natural limits...I am not saying the top girls have more muscles than the top natural powerlifter...what I am saying is that with the shape and structure they are looking for, its still beyond what a natural girl can achieve...since the top girls have genetically smaller, sleaker physiques...Quote:
Originally Posted by japh
And bikini, well, yeah, they may not need to workout to succeed, but some do...some girls aren't naturally bikini worthy...but a little cardio and working out might bring them there...others wake up looking like that. but then again, that goes back to my point about figure and who needs to do what to succeed in their sport.
so I don't think things are toned down...they just got out of hand previously in my mind...why have figure if you need to take as much juice as the average female bodybuilder....bodybuilding without poses should not be a division...and for a while there, that's all figure was. (which is fine too in its own rights, just not what I think adds much to the whole stage).
precisely...which is another reason why its a great thing to 'tone down' the sport. its just not healthy...For the same reason everyone gets all bent out of shape with the media / magazines causing young girls to get eating disorders, etc....you're starting to see the same thing spill over into young girls trying to get healthy without eating disorders...Quote:
Originally Posted by cog
'oh, I don't want to be anorexic, or bulimic, so I will join a gym'....then 2 weeks later they are on 20mg of var, 20 winni, some clen, t3, gh, and nolva...trying to look good for the local photographer giving them attention in the gym...meanwhile they think they are being healthy and making good lifestyle choices....
Well, the current standards are a lot more healthy and attainable so that is a plus. It is a positive change overall thats for sure.
I still like the way some of those freaky looking figure athletes looked years ago though. I guess they will have to compete in the lighter divisions as bodybuilders now :)
I don't have a lot of insight/experience on what exactly a woman needs to use but I would like to think a physique that is a little extreme looking and still feminine is attainable with var, clen and t3. Maybe I'm wrong?
No testosterone derivatives!!! I'm against that for woman all the way whether it be bodybuilding or any class. If a woman wants to go that route its her right to do for herself but I don't believe it should be rewarded. Thats not good for the sport. There is something inherently wrong with a woman using testosterone and giving herself a sex change imo. I've heard so many woman talk about how they still look feminine and sexy with this deep voice and crazy new jawline. If you shaved their head and put them in a suit maybe that would help them see what others do.
The only reason men get away with it is because the fan base is mostly male and teenagers love freaks and buy a lot of magazines and supplement still to support that look in men. I did!!! :) There is a double standard to a degree that is hypocrytical. Thats life I guess.
The reason I bring up cory everson is that is when I was last interested in womans bodybuilding myself. After her I lost interest and thats when I was 10 years old!! I used to have the hots for her! :)
As far as this bikini class goes I'm torn because they are so beautiful as well. Treadmill, diet and plie squats I suppose :P
goes back to the individual....some may get away with nothing, other may need test deritivatives to get to the point others got without. The ones at the top likely take far less, because they are the ones that are still feminine in the face yet have that crazy body. But there are others at the top that have the crazy bodies and sound like dudes and shave their chest before hitting the stage.Quote:
Originally Posted by japh
Same as working out - some can get away without squatting, others need to live under the rack. Depends on genetics, again for how they need to train, and what they need to take.
but the fact is, young people aren't ready to put in the time...they want to be a pro tomorrow, so what happens? Same thing that happens for an 18 year old guy loading up on grams of juice, the young girl will start training and expect to look their best in a month and load up themselves.
Everyone forgets that it should take time...
Sidney Crosby, and Wayne Gretsky didn't wake up in the NHL. Why do people think they should turn pro 2 years after hitting the gym?
I agree,a downshift in the hormone wars is better...Quote:
Originally Posted by steve_d
We are about as threatened by a female bodybuilder as we are by a guy with aQuote:
Originally Posted by Dryvrgrl
really tiny dick and tits.
this description could equally apply to same female bodybuilders lolQuote:
Originally Posted by BAM
Certainly not some of us on this site, however, back in the day I dated a girl that lifted more in many movements than most of the guys in the gym. Fack, she used to do seated calf raises with five or six 45s for many a rep. A lot of the men in there were very clearly intimidated in some capacity by her and Popeyes was no fitness centre back then. I think DG has a point.Quote:
Originally Posted by BAM