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2011 Canadian Natural Physique Championships
April 23, 2011
Laval, QC
Promoted by Joe Spinello
2011 CBBF Bikini, Figure and Fitness and Elite Bodybuilding Championships
July 23, 2011
Saskatoon, SK
Promoted by the Saskatchewan Amateur Bodybuilding Association
2011 Canadian Bodybuilding Championships
October 9, 2011
Laval, QC
Promoted by Joe Spinello
2 of the show dates and locations are up.
the second show on the list there, is that the Canadian Nationals. Heard through the grapevine it was supposed to be in quebec next year so i hope this is the one. Gives me a lot of prep time and its close to home as opposed to saskatoon.Quote:
Originally Posted by MuSuLPhReAk
QC is Quebec.Quote:
Originally Posted by bigtavi8
Ya ya i no that im just saying im pumped its finalized and i dont have to fly out to the prairies. This ones close to you nate i better see u onstage! albeit in a heavier class and 50lbs more muscle than this young gun.
Fitness Figures is in Saskatoon.. No date sorry..
notice the date on BCCF Nationals! October!... might be able to enjoy a BBQ or two next summer, eh boys? ;)
Wow, that's late
Didn't they have it in Laval not long ago???
I like Montreal.....
I know alot of people are not into Classic Bodybuilding but does anyone know if there will be a classic division at the 2011 CBBF Nationals???
I like it. lol :)Quote:
Originally Posted by A.C.P.
As far as i heard it'll be there and i'll be there defending my title.
Thanks DK. I am just going to have to do some back to back shows in order to qualify for that show. I will have to do the first show of the year to qualify for provincials then do the super show and then nationals if all works out okay. I have not competed for a couple of years trying to put on some size. With the new tier system I think I have to re qualify as I came 4th.
Classic has always been held with Natural Canadians.
SS
Except this year. I just don't see it worth having this division - its not popular enough, and its sorta funny that they ever came up with a division that limits body weight by height.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sean Summers
I would have to say that I disagree with you. Look how hard you worked to get where you are and think of how much someone would have to weigh to look that big and conditioned at 6'3. I am not complaining but some people including myself do not want to be 230 on stage and sitting in the 250+ range off season. Not being rude just commenting.Quote:
Originally Posted by steve_d
I was just curious about the OCtober show as it works out better for me then waiting for the Natural Canadians in April 2012. I guess I will just wait it out then. I heard the OPA are coming out with more drug tested events this year anyways.
where did you hear that...from the best of my knowledge, they will continue with the 1 natural show per year...it would be silly to start having qualifiers for it.
Oh, and I am only 160 pounds. This argument about being tall I hear time and time again. There are plenty of guys my height that would have a hard time getting on stage at 160. Classic division wasn't made for tall guys either. It was made for all heights.
I was talking to a guy at my gym who does judging for the OPA. They are going to be having their meeting in November but they are discussing the idea of having regional shows to qualify for the Ontario Naturals. I thought that this was strange considering there are never enough people anyways.
What is the point of cutting for a show when you are the only one in it???
I understand your point in regards to the classic division but I rather be shredded then huge.
I would argue that someone could look quite jacked and huge even in Classic bodybuilding.
Agree 100%!!!!!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Delt King
The OPA's goal is to have 3-4 natural shows next year. I would assume they want to be the #1 choice for natural athletes in Ontario.
SS
that same person would also looked jacked and huge in their own weight division.Quote:
Originally Posted by Delt King
Ahhh...I see where they're going with this. With all the other natural federations having multiple shows, its basically time to step it up. I think it's a great idea, however the only thing that really needs to happen is that the qualifier for world qualifer should be within a week or 2 of the WQ. The year they brought the WQ before the natural ontarios was when this show took a hit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sean Summers
In the past, they've even had natural shows and not tested shows in the same show...I wonder if that is part of the plan as well?
IFBB has a World Classic Bodybuilding Championships, that is why there are classic classes at the Canadian Natural Physique Championships and at the Natural Ontarios.
It would be a good idea to have a qualifier for the Natural Ontarios. I think it would improve the quality of athletes competing at the Natural Ontarios.
Now that would be a good idea IMO.Quote:
Originally Posted by steve_d
How though? The OPA took a step in the right direction by cutting the amount of regional shows and getting rid of the 3 level system. I think by adding more than even just 1 extra qualifier for a natural provincials will basically be taking a step in the opposite direction again. More shows is not necessarily better - it just makes individual shows smaller, which hurts promoters, etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maria
I do agree that having at least 1 natural show, or even 2 per year will help promote the sport to those who aren't game to take on the larger guys at a non-tested show. But the really good natural guys are able to hold their own in a non-tested show, so having more shows may not necessarily help the "quality" of the athletes going to a provincial natural show.
But it MAY help the prestige of making it to that show.
A first time competitor (I'm not saying all of them because you have the exceptional ones) doesn't always have the experience to compete provincially until they get more competitions under their belt. Say they make top 5 because there are only 5 competitors in their class then their very next competition is the Canadian Naturals.Quote:
Originally Posted by steve_d
And yes it would be better to have more drug tested shows to bring back those athletes leaving the OPA to do other natural federations. When you only have one drug tested show in an organization it doesn't give them many chances to get experience. Some people also like to compete more often and with only 1 show it doesn't give them much choice but to go to other organizations. It's not taking a step back for OPA.
When I first started competing with OPA I was disappointed to only have one natural show to compete it. I wanted to compete more so I did try other organizations.
Yes, the really good natural competitors can hold their own, but not everyone can so giving them more shows to compete in would be beneficial and give newer competitors more experience.
doing more shows per year, particularly for a natural competitor might give them more experience on stage, but also gives them less off-season time. I think this is the most important thing a novice should know. It's too easy to get "addicted" to being on stage, and in the long run hinder your gains.
I for one have first hand experience with this. When first started out, all I wanted to do was compete. But it wasn't until I finally stopped competing for a bit that I put on some muscle.
Trust me, I've had the same experience!! But for the natural stream basically it's the Natural Ontarios, Natural Canadians and then IFBB Worlds. Rarely you get guys who can do 3 shows and go to the IFBB Worlds for their 3rd show and have the experience they need. Like I said there are exceptions and Worlds is a totally different game. It wouldn't hurt to have one other show to qualify for the Natural Ontarios. They could always do a qualifer to the natural Ontarios then the natural Ontarios and take the rest of the year off to grow and be ready for the Natural Canadians and Worlds.Quote:
Originally Posted by steve_d
If you want to compete at Worlds you have to compete in the same year you have qualified at the Natural Canadians. So as a natural competitor you have no choice but to do 2 shows if you want to go to Worlds. You can't wait and go the next year. CBBF selects a team, either you go that year or wait and have to requalify the next year again.
Enough said, it's just my opinion, I'm not looking for a debate here or anything. That's just how I feel about it. Just looking at this year's Natural Ontarios photos, I could definitely tell there were a lot of first time competitors. They wouldn't do well at the Canadians. There just seems to be such a big gap from the Natural Ontarios to the Canadians.
There are a lot of great points being made here no doubt. I think that for one the good natural guys should be able to hold there own in a non tested event but it also depends on the category that they enter.
Having more shows might not be the best idea but having a qualifier may not be a bad idea either. I think having it at a non drug tested event might be a great idea. It would make the event larger and would draw more of a crowd. This would also allow to have more events. The only thing that I would hate would be to compete against myself. At the Natural Ontarios this year there were only 2 people in my class. That means that at a qualifying event I would be the only one. That is brutal.
Maria may be right though. If there were more natural events this may bring more people back to the OPA from the IDFA FAME etc. It would be nice to have more people though. The other point she made was experience. Your second show be Nationals. I don't think you have to know how on stage to be able to compete with those more experienced then yourself after your 1st ever event.
I like the debate. Good points, but I still believe that adding another show for the argument of looking ahead at worlds isn't really a strong argument. There is maybe 1 or 2 guys at the WQ each year that likely has the potential to even bother going to worlds. Those guys aren't good because they had another tier to work up. They are good because likely they were winning the first show they ever entered.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maria
Adding another tier is just that, adding another show. In the non-tested stream, its the same thing. When I lived in NS, there was only the 1 show per year. And basically the only guys that went to Nationals were the ones who felt ready. Same thing should apply to the ontario show. There is no harm competing at the same "level" year after year until you are ready to go to the next level. People like climbing steps too much when the steps mean nothing. I'd rather treat the steps as coming 3rd, 2nd, then 1st each progressive year, rather than winning in a diluted contest of 2 competitors called "level 1" than winning a level 2 show, etc...Winning is meaningless, and even more meaningless when the shows are so small that you don't really know what you've actually won.
If the guys at the ontario show this year stand no chance at the WQ, then compete at the ontario show again next year.
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Originally Posted by A.C.P.
From bolded above: exactly. Its bad enough as it is at the ontarios to have a small class, this would just be even worse by dividing it into a qualifier to be one of those 2 guys. More experience, but experience against no one is not really good experience...How do you know what to improve when you are the winner every time you compete?
The ONLY reason I see having another natural show in ontario as being a good idea is as above, bringing people away from the other federations. Some people like competing in the fall, others in the spring...So if the 1 OPA show is always in the fall, where are the spring people going to go - elsewhere.
But really, the 1 reason that the natural shows are without strong competitors is because the sport is not very appealing to natural athletes. Bigger and harder is better. As vain as the sport is, and the type of individual it takes to be successful, are likely going to take it to the next level - therefore the guys that truly would do great as a natural, aren't natural long enough.
Very true. Not like I haven't given it alot of thought myself but I prefer that not so muscular look. I mean you can get fairly big without having that huge bodybuilder physique. That is why I compete in the Classic Division. I think I am going to go into the Light Heavy Weight Category as well and see if I can hold my own. I love competing. I think it gives you something to work towards and better yourself but if they did not have natural or classic bodybuilding I think I would be on a different route to compete with the bigger boys. I am going to be hopefully sitting at around 190-195lbs on stage this week so hopefully this will be enough. Personally this is a big as I ever want to get so the rest of the time I would be working on symmetry, posing etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by steve_d
Hello,
Little off the current topic but can anyone tell me if figure is going to keep both the two and the one peice division and the black two peice? or are we going to follow the states and take out the one peice round? Just looking at future shows and dont want to spend more on bling bling then if needed!
Thanks ahead!
MzFit
The best person to contact for that information would be Debbie Karpenko for Nationals. If it's for your province, contact someone in your provincial affiliate as every province is different.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mzfit
I heard rumour of a western show being put on.... not a national qualifier but a competition experience show in Saskatoon...
anyone confirm...