I have been on for almost two years since 2008. Do I have to increase my dosages as time passes? (I have been keeping the amount of drugs I take pretty modarate/similar each week) Any feedback is appreciated.
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I have been on for almost two years since 2008. Do I have to increase my dosages as time passes? (I have been keeping the amount of drugs I take pretty modarate/similar each week) Any feedback is appreciated.
Maybe its time to take a little break from the sauce!
Agreed. You're going to mess yourself up in a number of ways Bro.Quote:
Originally Posted by CallmeB
Have you been taking any HCG?
2 yrs??? can he even get his natural test back working?? what kind of PCT do you run for A 2 year cycle?? thats a long time.. or are you on HRT?
Sure, why wouldn't he be able to?Quote:
Originally Posted by MMASTAR
A normal one that matches the dosage taken.
He may or may not have to extend pct or push the hcg. It depends on his age, condition, genetics. Time and blood tests will tell.
So what the longest any one has been on?
Permanently, it's called hormone replacement therapy.
If you aren't over 40 it's called retarded or IFBB pro.
I don't really understand why one would choose to stay on aas for an extended period of time but that's me. I don't think you will find many here who will recommend or even consider cycles that extend much beyond 16 weeks at a time.
The biggest problem with morons that do extended cycles is that they are generally not under the care of a physician and getting full blood work ups every 3 months to ensure that they aren't actually killing themselves. Almost without exception meatheads who choose to take on extended cycles are without medical guidance and this means that when or if long term hypertension, arteriosclerosis, or genetic predispositions for things like cancer show up, it is a great big ****ing surprise.
So strokes, heart failures, liver and kidney failures and odd tumors are all possible in an unmonitored idiot that abuses anabolic steroids for long periods of time that would not have otherwise occurred.
If you would like to get some detail on real people with these kind of problems you probably want to wander over to professionalmuscle and they will flame you and maybe introduce you to a few dead friends of theirs.
I believe Big Luke Wood is the latest to have serious kidney failure as the result of hypertension but there is usually one or two a year.
i think some people get hooked on roids to the point they cant quit, i have a friend who has been on for a year he comes off and doesnt do pct, he crashes and immediately goes back on its messed up but he wont listen to me when i tell him to get some nolva he just says "i know i know i should" then he comes off crashes gains shit loads of weight and right away back on
Wouldint coming off a cycle, even with a great PCT, still make you lose muscle mass and strength? To me, that seems counter productive.
Counter productive to maintaining your health?
I have yet to lose significant musle mass or strength post cycle. Good diet and training have sustained my muscular gains in each case so far. There is a little dip in strength mid way through pct that I have noticed but the recovery is pretty complete by the end. I assume much of this for me is the loss of excess water from the test.
If an individual is beyond their normal genetic limit for muscular mass/strength then removing the aas from the body will indeed result in an overall loss of muscle mass and strength over time but if diet and training are good this would be a long slow decline as opposed to some overnight magical disappearance of 50 pounds of muscle.
The real secret to significant muscle mass is not drugs. It's careful selection of your parents combined with excellent diet and training. The drugs certainly move things along faster but if you don't have the genes, the training, and the diet, the drugs aren't going to get you to a point where being on for 2 years or longer is even justifiable.
By justifiable I mean that you could rationalize risking your health for an IFBB pro card and a career as a circus freak. I'm not sure this is actually a good reason to risk your health but at least it's an argument. The I want to be a heavily muscled gym rat so I'll just risk put my health at risk argument doesn't really strike me as "productive".
If you do a proper PCT you'll maintain the majority of your gains. That said, you really should do some research. A lot of research.Quote:
Originally Posted by Victor85
I been using Cissus for my pct loss nothing so far.
Well, by the sounds of it, everybody thinks that a long term cycle is a bad thing. I guess I got to reconsider my stance on my cycle. Maybe I will come off at the end of March. I appreciate everyones input.
Do some research both on pct and long cycles. You are going to want to get yourself some hcg asap and research swale's protocol. It will make the transition much easier than just jumping into nolva/clomid etc. I also recommend asking Praetorian in his thread what the most effective approach will be and provide him with dosages and time.
IF you really must do long cycles you REALLY REALLY REALLY need to find a sympathetic doctor willing to run blood work on you and ensure you aren't screwing up your hemocrit, cholesterol and a dozen other things. Research the appropriate blood work. You also need to track your blood pressure. Hypertension will crush you.
Or you can cycle on and off and manage your recovery appropriately.
I don't have a personal endocrinologist and it's just a hobby so my choice is pretty easy.
PCT:
Weeks 1-2: 4000iu E3D Total of 20,000iu
Weeks 2-6: 50mg Clomid ED in morning
Weeks 2-6: 40mg Nolvadex ED Split into 2 doses
Thats what I would try...
Thanxs for the info
he could use aromasin week 4-9 aswellQuote:
Originally Posted by daande
what else does this "friend" do?Quote:
Originally Posted by revolution187
2 years!!!! really? That is absolutely stupid!! You need some serious Pct bro...
You only get one body take care of it!!
I believe in brakes (cycling) fore sure. I also believe in yr long (mild dosed) cycles "blast/cruise" with reg blood work as well.
Hes not completely stupid by any means. Depending on age situation it could be completely normal. Also we dont no the dosage per week. IF its 4-500 its not the best but its not the end for him. Without bloodwork and doctors visits yes its dangerous. But as previously stated HRT patients are on for life. Also IFBB pros dont dream of coming off and i cant imagine every single pro gets blood work done every 3 months but i may be dead wrong. Im not saying a 2 year cycle is good or productive but its not the end of the world and just needs a good long pct. Minimum 3-4months id say.
Well, judging by the 1985 in his avy I'd guess he's 25 YO.Quote:
Originally Posted by bigtavi8
We don't even know what compounds he was using, let alone dosing.
Most HRT patients are over 40.... and not looking forward to having kids.
Not flaming here..... But this is the kind of thing that gives AAS a bad name.
Totally irresponsible use here. If somethings gonna go bad, its from doing things like this.
Agreed Rob just trying to see the cup half full instead of half empty i geuss. But ya ur absolutly right not HRT by any means at that age unless his doc is pretty crazy.Quote:
Originally Posted by rob66679
I never knew posting the truth would upset so many people. But, to the people wondering the dosages I took, here they are.
500mg-750mg of test/week (I would rotate my tests every other month between Enanthate, Sus, Cyp, Prop, Suspension)
I would always stack with other drugs.(Rotating between Tren, Deca, D-bol, Anadrol, Eq and Anavar)
The only time I ever changed the dosages was when there was a special occasion coming up (birthday, x-mas etc.) This usually meant going heavy cause I wanted to look good. Dosages would range from 5 to 7 grams per week, this including other drugs. Truth be told, the more you use the better the results. Side effects would be the regular: oily skin, acne, abnormal hair growth, increased estrogen. Me being lucky, my hair line has not changed. However, careful monitoring for these effects were and are always number one.
Right now I am on a 1ml os Sus and Tren every other day and 50mgs of D-bol every day.
For the record, I have never had any type of Erectile Dysfunction.
Here is my morning ritual: Every morning when I wake up, I always "relieve" my self to make sure my one eye kubasa works. My testicular size has decreased but I can still do the "dirty deed" :D
You sir, sound like an idiot, any doctor visits during this time?Quote:
Originally Posted by Victor85
Wow 5-7 grams per week, not a typo right? How much do you pin everyday and how often? Damn that would be an expensive cycle lol. I hope you are over 275lbs now, what's your stats if you don't mind me asking.
Maybe you are one of the lucky ones who don't get visible sides, however, what is happening inside your body is a different story. Take a break and get some bloodwork done.
If he's not a troll I totally agree with that statement. Its not flaming, its fact.Quote:
Originally Posted by MMASTAR
Its not about trying to upset you OP, its that you have likely decreased your lifespan considerably. You lipids are probably ****ed, your possibly going to need HRT now for the forseeable future, and are you ever gonna crash when you come off.
Just because you can still get off doesn't mean theres any swimmers left either.
Threads like this bother me as much as anything. I will never understand why people do this to themselves.
While all the doom and gloom might be the case it probably isn't.
The vast majority of people can abuse the hell out of steroids and recover. The problem is some can't and without the blood work and care you don't know which one you are until you find out that it's you.
I'm not aware of anyone who has been left sterile by aas. I believe that for the most part this is a myth. Test has been studied as a male contraceptive for multiple years and has been found to be entirely reversible.
Many people have sat on 500-1000 mg for several years with no negative impacts and a small few were completely screwed.
5-7 grams sounds completely wasteful to me, but I've tried 3 and a bit for short periods, Test/Tren and found the results quite good except for the cystic acne and the scarring (oops shit). I personally find the keeping my maximum testosterone dosage below 1500 mg's avoids this problem. Other than the intense night sweats of tren I find I tolerate the progesterone based aas very well and haven't found a problem with higher dosage.
At 3 grams a week I felt like a human pin cushion (2ml's of oil per day) and have generally only ramped up to these kind of dosages for a few weeks of the last couple of years.
My reason for significant concern is the duration the O.P. was on 2 years and no regular blood work. He could very well be screwing himself up and never know.
Some say worse about me, including my doctor. And yes, I have gone to the doctor. Near the start of my cycle and 1.5 months ago. Said my signs looked alright, except for some of my 'bad' lipids were a bit high. He recommended I eat healthier and avoid junk. I keep my diet pretty clean and that seems to help. My blood pressure was slightly elevated also.Quote:
Originally Posted by MMASTAR
I also asked for a PSA test since I felt my prostate enlarging and low and behold, it had. I slowly back off some of the drugs I was taking and found that Tren was causing this. Once I stopped running the Tren, I went away.(FYI: I was taking a 1ml of Tren everyday for 4 weeks)
I do plan to come off in early April and also go see the Doc.
So are you a seriously big mofo or what? lol.... that's a lotta drugs to be taking for so long. Kinda scary to think someone would go this nuts with steroids.
Hopefully you can actually recover from all this when you come off. I'd be interested to see what happens when you do come off.
i was scared to come off after 4 months, i would not want to try 2 years.
Quote:
Originally Posted by declan
In the two years, I only did the excessive supratherapeutic dosaging 4 times, and only for 1 month at a time. During this time I would stick with higher dosaged tests such as TEST E 300 and stack it with 2-3 drugs(Deca, Eq, sometimes Tren) . For a whole month I would pin myself 1-2 times a day, 3-4 mls of said drugs. Fav body parts are the glutes and quads, sometimes delts. Any more then 3 mls in a syringe and the injection site becomes uncomfortable. During these minin cycles I would soar to about 215-220 lbs. I am a pretty short guy(Napoleon syndrome)
I am 5'4 200 lbs. Hovering between 9-12% bodyfat right now.
For your height I'd say you probably look like a big mofo then.... :)
Good luck with everything if/when you come off.
I just wish these damn drugs would make me taller though! I will keep you guys posted on how things go after I come off, unless I suffer a massive myocardial infarction!(Joking!)Quote:
Originally Posted by kloan
Wouldn't that be nice... I could use a few vertical inches myself.Quote:
Originally Posted by Victor85
You just made me gaze into my reality. Maybe I need or dont need to run such amounts to maintain or increase mass at 200lbs+ but now I'm certain for us short folks going over 200lbs would be a dangerous and difficult trek. I'm 5'5 btw:)
I've got to ask, why in the world would you go to such lengths drugwise?
Do you have aspirations of competing in bodybuilding and going pro?
Can you make money from this? ei pro football or other sport?
Is it purely a vanity thing?
I'm not flaming, just tryong to wrap my head around why anyone would take so much gear.
Body dysmorphia maybe?
I tried to diet down before for a novice comp. but after reaching 178lbs I had to quit due to some personal issues. Maybe with some time and some more dedication I could step onstage.Quote:
Originally Posted by Delt King
Body dysmorphia is not out the question.