Everybody has been giving sodium a bad rap for too long... read this article by Scott Abel and see the true benefits to Salt.
http://www.tmuscle.com/free_online_a..._secret_weapon
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Everybody has been giving sodium a bad rap for too long... read this article by Scott Abel and see the true benefits to Salt.
http://www.tmuscle.com/free_online_a..._secret_weapon
good find
You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Delt King again.
good read, i think the only real days to be concerned about your sodium is when u cut it out like 48 hrs from the show.
i was always concerned about hypertension from sodium.
I keep mine upwards of 6g a day even when contest prepping. I posted another sodium article in here somewhere thats really good.
Here it is: http://www.canadabodybuilding.com/fo...ghlight=sodium
hmmm, will have to spend some time reading up on this one.
The intro part of the article claiming sodium reduction was an advertising campaign is simply false. Sodium reduced diets were a direct response to the significant increase in hypertension in the general population.
I have no idea whether the second half of the article is more true. Off to go reading.
Thanks for the post.
So a normal person needs between 1800-2400 mg of sodium daily. Not being a ultra-marathoner or even a half-marathoner with a twist my needs sit squarely in this range.
I think I'm a little low on DP's template but I need to go add it up...
.. umm, nope daily sodium load of 2567 mg and potassium load of 3096 mg. actually not a bad balance.
Thanks for the link that was a good article. I am glad that bodybuilders have started to realize in the last 5-10yrs that you shouldn't cut back on sodium and that you shouldn't start tapering water 3-4 days out.
As far as Scott recommending Sea Salt because of it's lower chloride content as opposed to table salt, I ain't so sure. Last time I checked Sea Salt has like 50-55% chloride content as well.
Also, sodium phosphate has been linked to various health issues, that I have admittedly not read the studies on, but still I wouldn't jump and start using it or recommend it at this point.
I just use plenty of condiments on my food and I like his pickles recommendation. It's a tasty food when you are used to eating bland chicken and brown rice.
I pretty much lightly salt all my meals with sea salt and have 160g cottage cheese before bed and one casein shake a day which has like 260mg sodium as well. Currently 6 weeks out.
hmm interesting article, thanks for the post!
I always thought hypertension was a direct result of not working your body. This goes a long way in confirming my thoughts. My BP has dropped a lot since I started my own road to recovery.
Good read. I'm at 15 g a day right now and rising.... Its all about the manipulation at the end... but there has to be an abundence ..
Wow your liquid intake must be through the roof too. I feel like i live in the bathroom at 5 litres a day already.Quote:
Originally Posted by slin_shady1
I don't add sodium, there is plenty of sodium in foods naturally that we don't need to go looking for it. That, is common knowledge. And we generally eat way too much salt, as most foods have it added to it to make them taste better even before we buy them in the store.
As for increasing water intake because you increase sodium... The kidneys are not designed to be diuressing 5 litres per day constantly. That is what is going to where out your nephrons. The ol' drink 8 large glasses of water a day is not even an official recomendation anymore. The recomendation is drink to thirst. And that is percisely what I do.
Bear in mind all the supplements we take also have lots of electroyltes added to them as well....
As I said before in bodybuilding there are many different ways to skin the cat. There are ways that are more healthy, and may give you greater longevity... i.e. not need a new set of kidneys for an extra few years lol... but that is the beauty of it.
There's been a fair bit in the news lately about how much salt is in processed foods. Canadian processed foods are usually much saltier than the same foods in other countries. Restaurant meals have heaps and heaps of the stuff.
What does this have to do with Abel's article? Well just that if you eat processed foods or eat at restaurant regularly you are getting lots and lots and lots of sodium -- another reason why preparing your own meals from scratch is worth it...you know how much salt you are getting.
This little quiz about the salt content in foods is kinda fun...hint...always pick the counterintuitive food: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/speci...rticle1184281/
Prisioner,, like you said,, there are a lot of different ways to skin a cat. Altering my sodium intake during the final couple of weeks before a show will have no long term negative side effects on my body, (the only reason I am playing with them right now, this far out, is that I am doing a trial run 2 weeks out from the show)
Thanks for the good info. I only eat whole food so it might be time to get some sodium back into my system
On a pre-contest diet it is natural to flush more water than normal. This is due to the low carb intake and obvious lower glycogen storage than normal. The body will flush more water as well as more quickly. This leads to an obvious mineral electrolyte leaching which cause an imbalance in the body. Increased mineral and sodium intake is thus preferred and necessary. Sodium is very commonly misunderstood and mistakenly restricted by BB while dieting. This can lead to many undesirable issues...ie low blood pressure (lack of vascularity- no pump) depleted and dehydrated muscle cells which increases catabolism, reduced strength and muscular contraction...sodium plays an essential role in this. Keeping fully hydrated while dieting prevents muscle loss and is not hard on the kidneys...you dont need to guzzle water like you are in the Sahara desert but 4-6 litres daily is quite normal and healthy depending of course on the size of the athlete. Along with water sodium should be increased as long as there are no hypertension issues etc. Any excess sodium will be excreted along with the water...as normal. Keeping sodium and water moderate during dieting also prevents water retention...ie increased aldosterone output will result if electrolytes in the blood are reduced. The idea is to work with the body not against it...makes things much easier.
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Anybody try the new POWERAID ZERO product line??? two thumbs up!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Praetorian
and yah... the whole RENIN - Angiotension I and II mechanism... is what I fear the most post contest... truthfully, my approach is less is best... just get as lean as I possibly can, drop a little diuretic or herbal to help pee out a little extra, and load up.... try not to mess overy with the kidneys as they tend to bite you in the ass hard afterwards lol.
Not really interested in taking Aldactone, as it is also an androgen receptor blocker, and nevermind the 'rebound' when coming off it :(.
Great explanation!Quote:
Originally Posted by Praetorian
Completely agree....pealed is best plus a bit of mild diuretic for fine tuning only!Quote:
Originally Posted by Prisoner#22
Aldactone is a huge mistake...blocking aldosterone will inhibit sodium from being reabsorbed and hence blood pressure falls, inability to carb up effectively. loss of vascularity, no pump....bad scene altogether...stay away from it.
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Are you going to be at nationals? i would love to meet and pick your brain!Quote:
Originally Posted by Praetorian
He said in an earlier post in a different thread he's doing the masters nationals in TO and the North Americans if needed.
Ill be at the Masters Nationals in Toronto Aug 28....Saskatoon just too far to go when compared to Cleveland....so Ill do NA`s instead if I have to that is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Prisoner#22
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I will see you at the north americans then.Quote:
Originally Posted by Praetorian
Unless I get my pro card at the Nationals ;o)Quote:
Originally Posted by Prisoner#22
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Which brings up a whole other box of worms...normally the overall gets his pro card and one more outstanding bodybuilder is also offered one. So this year as the open is in Sakatoon and the masters, grandmasters and juniors are in TO at a later date is CBBF going to wait to see if there is someone outstanding in TO and if there isn't offer the card 2 weeks after the open competition to someone who competed there. Or are they going to guarantee one to a masters regardless just to have one card at each show? This format of splitting up bodybuilding seems pretty stupid if you ask me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Praetorian
And unless I get MY procard at Canadian open nationals ;) lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Praetorian
its actually normally 3 cards. the masters overall always gets one + the overall + sometimes another. Usually in the past the 3rd is given to someone who seems to be winning his class year after year but now with the 202 division, it may be given more often to say the lightheavy/middle winner.Quote:
Originally Posted by Delt King
Mens Masters overall = IFBB Pro cardQuote:
Originally Posted by Delt King
Womens Master Overall (at judges discretion for IFBB Pro card)
Mens Open overall= IFBB Pro card
Womens Open overall=IFBB Pro card
Judges discretion winner= IFBB Pro Card
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Praetorian
I didn't know about the Masters, thanks guys it makes more sense now. Except for the guys that crossover in open and masters classes, now they can't do it all in one day.Quote:
Originally Posted by steve_d