Nolvadex or Arimidex for women Pre Contest ??

Hey all....Just putting this out there to get some feedback and more knowledge about whether a woman should use Nolvadex or Arimidex for pre-contest to combat the stubborn womans estrogen that my wife is haveing a problem with the past few years getting ready for our shows. Some advice has been given to use Arimidex cream.."Good Luck Finding it" and other have said just Nolvadex ?? So there it is ..Maybe some Vetran Women BB can shed some light on this or some husbands of some women BB can also jump in on this. Any input is appreciated.

Arim for sure. Never heard of Arimidex cream though, so ya Id say good luck finding that, lol.

But women have good success using Arimidex. I know some that actually use both Arim and Nolva, not sure why.

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Originally Posted by JonnyO

Arim for sure. Never heard of Arimidex cream though, so ya Id say good luck finding that, lol.

But women have good success using Arimidex. I know some that actually use both Arim and Nolva, not sure why.

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thanx for the reply JonnyO, I just recieved an email and basically said for a woman running Test arim is good ..for a woman Not running test Nolva is best. here is my email comment......

Arimidex stops the conversion of testosterone to estrogen while Nolvadex actually blocks estrogen from binding. Since women don't have too much circulating test, not much will get converted to estrogen anyway


Would you think that is a fair statement ???

Nolvadex is by far superior for women. Women are different then men in that they have very little conversion of testosterone estrogen. Arimidex does not block the estrogen receptor it simply prevents the aromatization from occuring in the first place (aromatase inhibitor). Thus little aromatization equals little help from an aromatase inhibitor. Tamoxifen on the other hand is a SERM...much different. Because women already have much higher levels of naturally occuring estrogen we need to be able to control these levels. Using Tamoxifen will in essence render the present estrogen somewhat inert because the estrogen receptors will be blocked via the competing tamoxifen.
Women get great results from Nolvadex the last 8 weeks out from a contest. 10mg taken twice daily 8-10 hours apart. Ive seen some dramatic changes once a female client has started Tamoxifen...womens ability to drop stubborn estrogen related fat improves greatly.
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Originally Posted by Praetorian

Nolvadex is by far superior for women. Women are different then men in that they have very little conversion of testosterone estrogen. Arimidex does not block the estrogen receptor it simply prevents the aromatization from occuring in the first place (aromatase inhibitor). Thus little aromatization equals little help from an aromatase inhibitor. Tamoxifen on the other hand is a SERM...much different. Because women already have much higher levels of naturally occuring estrogen we need to be able to control these levels. Using Tamoxifen will in essence render the present estrogen somewhat inert because the estrogen receptors will be blocked via the competing tamoxifen.
Women get great results from Nolvadex the last 8 weeks out from a contest. 10mg taken twice daily 8-10 hours apart.
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perfect and well said. Thanx Praetorian !!

Nolva FTW.
SS

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Originally Posted by Praetorian

Nolvadex is by far superior for women. Women are different then men in that they have very little conversion of testosterone estrogen. Arimidex does not block the estrogen receptor it simply prevents the aromatization from occuring in the first place (aromatase inhibitor). Thus little aromatization equals little help from an aromatase inhibitor. Tamoxifen on the other hand is a SERM...much different. Because women already have much higher levels of naturally occuring estrogen we need to be able to control these levels. Using Tamoxifen will in essence render the present estrogen somewhat inert because the estrogen receptors will be blocked via the competing tamoxifen.
Women get great results from Nolvadex the last 8 weeks out from a contest. 10mg taken twice daily 8-10 hours apart. Ive seen some dramatic changes once a female client has started Tamoxifen...womens ability to drop stubborn estrogen related fat improves greatly.
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Thank you.. exactly what i was looking for... how would you suggest splitting a 20mg cap? or just take one daily?

are there any dangers in a woman using nolva? will she suffer any rebound effects?

i don't even know what you guys are talking about

just googled.. Nevermind...

can't help you out as we used Green tea, starvation and a hell of a lot of Cardio ;)

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Originally Posted by mcgirkz

Thank you.. exactly what i was looking for... how would you suggest splitting a 20mg cap? or just take one daily?

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find a source that sells tablets instead.

or open it up take half cover it up and take he other half latter.

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Originally Posted by Dryvrgrl

i don't even know what you guys are talking about

just googled.. Nevermind...

can't help you out as we used Green tea, starvation and a hell of a lot of Cardio ;)

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:wtf x2 haha.

Michelle

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Originally Posted by Dryvrgrl

i don't even know what you guys are talking about

just googled.. Nevermind...

can't help you out as we used Green tea, starvation and a hell of a lot of Cardio ;)

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nolva isn't a fat burner. Women using nolva are also starving themselves and doing a boat load of cardio.

You should google that again

I am entering my first BB contest and am considering using Nolvadex.
Are women allowed to use it in a contest cycle? I am 10 weeks out as of now.
Or if anyone could direct me to a Canadian site that outlines what is and isnt allowed that would be most helpful:)
Really like the idea of loosing that long term stubborn fat, hoping its allowed!

It's a prescription drug. That should tell you if it's permitted by your organization or not.

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Originally Posted by marstar

I am entering my first BB contest and am considering using Nolvadex.
Are women allowed to use it in a contest cycle? I am 10 weeks out as of now.
Or if anyone could direct me to a Canadian site that outlines what is and isnt allowed that would be most helpful:)
Really like the idea of loosing that long term stubborn fat, hoping its allowed!

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it depends which assoc / federation you are competing with
if its with CBBF affiliate see below....



Drug Testing:
The BCABBA follows the strict guidelines that the CBBF have in place to qualify you as competitors to be able to enter in the IFBB World Championships starting at a novice and western Canadian level here in BC. This applies to any competitor wanting to enter the World Qualifier, which for the year 2003 is held in Hamilton Ontario July 5. THE CBBF HAS OFFICIALLY ADOPTED CANADA'S POLICY FOR DOPING IN SPORT FOR ITS "WORLD CHAMPIONSHIPS COMPETITIVE STREAM"

In cooperation with the Canadian Centre for Ethics in Sports (CCES) - the federal- and IOC-recognized organization in Canada for conducting doping-control testing -- the CBBF "World Championship Competitive Stream" fully adheres to the Canadian Policy on Doping in Sport. All testing is done to IOC standards.

Athletes take note: you are fully responsible for your conduct in the sport. Luckily, there is help out there -- the CCES has an extensive website located at www.cces.ca We encourage you to visit it regularly and keep yourself updated.

To learn more about our "World Championships Competitive Stream" and how you can qualify for the prestigious IFBB World Championships, please see our Contests page.

Remember, the CBBF is the only organization that qualifies you for the IFBB World Championships and IFBB Pro Card status.

LEARN MORE ABOUT DOPING CONTROL TESTING Some organizations claim to test their athletes for banned substances, but do they? Who is monitoring them? What kind of tests are they doing? Are they using accepted practices by the sporting community? Are they doing any tests at all?

The CBBF is proud to say that we've been doing it right for years. That's because we use the services of the Canadian Centre for Ethics in Sports -- Canada's recognized body for testing sports of all types. Does your organization test properly? Don't be afraid to ask them -- as an athlete, it's YOUR right to know!

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Originally Posted by JonnyO

Arim for sure. Never heard of Arimidex cream though, so ya Id say good luck finding that, lol.

But women have good success using Arimidex. I know some that actually use both Arim and Nolva, not sure why.

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i've had coaches have me use Novaldex by itself
and i've had coaches have me use a combo of different ones in the last few wks
nova & arimidex
femera & nova
also FEMERA is also great imo

I've used Nolvadex in the past successfully & am using it again for this prep...I notice a difference and it works for me!

Remember Nolvadex is a Selective Estrogen Receptor Modulator which works much differently then Aromasin/Arimidx/Femara which are Aromatase Inhibitors. SERMS are actually weak estrogens that bind to the estrogen receptor and thus prevent estrogen itself from binding and doing its job...hence the associated sides. AI's on the other hand reduce the aromatase enzyme which is necessary for the conversion of testosterone to estrogen...by reducing aromatase less estrogen is created and thus less sides. The key point here being that with women not much test is produced to begin with and thus there is not much conversion...as well the AI has little effect on endogenous estrogen production. This is the reason for using Nolvadex vs an AI...no more than 8 weeks is prudent because there will be an inherent rebound from the excess estrogen in the blood stream.
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Would love to know if Clomid would produce the same effects of nolvadex? As its a serm, and if it does what would a good dose be?

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Originally Posted by marstar

I am entering my first BB contest and am considering using Nolvadex.
Are women allowed to use it in a contest cycle? I am 10 weeks out as of now.
Or if anyone could direct me to a Canadian site that outlines what is and isnt allowed that would be most helpful:)
Really like the idea of loosing that long term stubborn fat, hoping its allowed!

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It depends on whether or not you're entering a tested show or non-tested. The CBBF and affiliates run both types of shows. Now if it's a tested show under CBBF then if you use any compounds that are banned you'll most likely get caught, and if it's not tested then it's up to you what you want to use. As an example all female competitors that compete at the pro level in the IFBB are using something, and yes that would include the bikini gals as well.

If you're in one of the lesser natural BBing federations then who knows what their testing consists of....but if it's a natty CBBF show then you'll be urine tested.

As far as the Adex or nolva question goes it really depends on how much fat you carry as aromatase is created/produced in fat cells so keeping BF as low as possible will lessen aromatase and thus estrogen conversion. And in a natty female BB you won't have much in the way of natty test but every little bit helps, and if you are an enhanced female BB/athlete then keeping BF low should be of a high priority for this reason alone.