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Originally Posted by waderow
ya i hear ya. also note i've been using test suspension. I think crystals are just too fat for test sus to go sub-q.
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Originally Posted by waderow
ya i hear ya. also note i've been using test suspension. I think crystals are just too fat for test sus to go sub-q.
I had best success when lean. If ever I injected in fat, I got welts.
You need to get between fat and meat with 1/2cc max
sbq injection i did between may 2009 to july 2009,also that was my trt starting time for first time,for injection and pain wise there were no problem,but my blood test showed high estrogen,but also before i started trt i had high e2 levels any way,so i dont know if it was from sbq injection or my pree2 levels played a role in it,,,,,then i discovered some thing even better,,instead of shooting the hormone sbq i did inject it in to my thigh and deltoid with the same insulin syringe,and blood test showed inprovment in my e2 levels,,in thigh and deltoid muscle are very close if you are not overweight,,so far so good,actually very easy shots,,it is im but with insulin,,in europe lot of doctors telling their patient to do it that way,,thanks
max volume?Quote:
Originally Posted by neutronmtl
I actually do this too and it works great. I like my delts best. I use an insulin pin and just go straight in until the needle is a bit deeper than flush with the skin. I stick to .5ml (test cyp) or less.Quote:
Originally Posted by neutronmtl
you are telling me I can pin with insulin needed instead of 25? I dont think ugl test oil based will go thru
It will
Yep, it sure will. I've tried it with both UG and pharma test and both worked fine. If anything the UG was easier because of the EO they use.Quote:
Originally Posted by waderow
Why do most people pin with 22-25 gauge pin?
dont know. most here pin with 25 i think. i like a 22, 23, 25 as well
its fast
Getting it in there with the slin pin is very difficult,you might want to top fill.You will need a good grip on it applying.Quote:
Originally Posted by Memo
^^^ its really not so bad. jab takes 30-40 seconds to draw, and 15 seconds to deposit
Even if I warm it up it seems to take forever.Quote:
Originally Posted by waderow
If i recall correct, I used a 29ga
I tried a delt shot with 1/2" insulin pin 0.5cc. Shot was too shallow and some leaked out, even with Z track.:mad:Quote:
Originally Posted by natehayes
personally, I would stick with sub-q
2nd cycle all sub-q, and its the way to go.
Everyone i say this to looks at me like im crazy, in 10 years people will say IM is dangerous and crazy.
Sub-q FTW!!!
Thanks waderow
Just one thing though sub-q is not between the fat and muscle as a nurse explained to me, sub-q is in the fat between the muscle and the skin, if you have no fat then its between the muscle and the skin, but you dont have to go under the fat if its there. Whether the substance is oil based or not makes no difference, as there are oil based vaccines that are injected sub-q. For pain the shorter the ester the more painful the injection site(shorter esters are more acidic)
As this pic shows the sub-q layer is the fat under the skin, above the muscle
http://www.fitnessuncovered.co.uk/im...tion-image.gifhttp://www.brooksidepress.org/SubQ1.jpg
On my last cycle I did 400mg of Deca IM per week for 10 weeks. I noticed that it took 3-4 weeks before I started noticing gains. So if SubQ's absorption rate is slower than IM, would I have to wait 6-8 weeks to begin seeing effects if I were to inject subQ? Just curious.
not that much slower, when we say slower it just means theres no spike after injection. it seems to take the same amount of time to kick in as IM, even with fast esters like test prop, you feel it about the same time as IM.
peak levels appear slower.... see first postQuote:
Originally Posted by druss
I know this thread has not been used since Feb.....but just wondering how everyone made out trying the sub cut route. Any updates????
ive been doing subc injection with deca for about a month,so far its been no problem as far as pain or irritation,since deca takes awhile im still waiting for my opinion, strength is coming, slow and steady and i love the break from im injections.i still do my test shots im
Just wondering how sub q is working, what is the most you can inject at one time!!!!!!!!!!!!
Umm,dude this thread is almost 3 years old lolQuote:
Originally Posted by barrte
Great old thread.
lol wow that is a old thread
i remember back in the day a awesome ugl came out with a full line of sub c products i cant remember what he mixed them with to make them work so well but they were the bomb
there m1tplex and equiplex were insane they even made tren and eq suspensions but they didnt last to long as they hurt like hell
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Originally Posted by force
not bad :)
sub Q and T400 = bad idea
Nothing wrong with an old thread as long as it is provides relevant info.