2010 CBBF Bodybuilding Nationals OFFICIAL THREAD

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Originally Posted by natenator

how the **** did Ron lose that?

What the hell does he need to to do get a win? Comes in bigger he gets marked down because of conditioning, comes in peeled like yesterday and he gets marked down for not being bigger.

I don't get it

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First off congrats Slin. Those that win always deserve to. After all it is the judges votes that count, not the popular picks the crowd may have. That's not to say you weren't one of those too (heard you rocked the house)

My humble opinion on Ron is he will find himself in the bride's made role continually until he can dramatically change his physique. It was mentioned it has been the same judges for over a decade (not my words) well then I think they know what they want and the package Partlow brings isn't it. I believe this was his 11th attempt. He may get harder or bigger (slightly) from year to year but some fast googling shows a competitor who hasn't made much changes over the years. It is becoming more common for guys to win who are doing Nationals for only their 1st or second time. More importantly Ron gets out muscled (in thickness not width) by "smaller" guys - with fresher looks - every year; be it in his class or lighter ones. I don't know the man and hear nothing but how great a guy he is but with only one first place in 11 attempts it is a bit of a stretch to say he is long over due. Dan Dufresne had to win his class 5 times before they gave him a pro card. That was what I'd call over due.

Perhaps the panel has just grown accustomed to expecting the same presentation from him and then a "New Guy" or less common one makes a greater impression. Last year I thought after they handed out only one card to Mike Van Wyck and passed on giving a second card they were sending a clear message (in their political way) that Ron was not providing them with what they wanted. For what it's worth & again IMO last year was his best.

As for the 2009 North American's; Ron said himself he looked better than he did at the Nationals and placed out of the top 5. Don't believe that is his ticket to THE SHOW either. Seems Canadian male competitors get passed over in such a predominantly American Show.

Hope these words didn't come across as a bashing, those are just my observations, from an old dude who loves the sport and has followed it for many years. Personally I'd really like to see Ron come in at a ripped 275 - 280; that just might put an end to his string of losses and bring him that Canadian Crown Jewel. WHat I don't want to see is for him to do it as a master. Having said that I have no idea how close he is to that category. I'm just making an assumption on the # of times he's been at the National level. That would just be anti climatic and a shallow victory for a true warrior of the iron sport.

Some pics of Ron Partlow from Gene X.

The best quality comparison pics I could find.

Paul Taylor & Jerry Poirier aka Delt King
Men Classic Tall

Men Super-Heavyweight
Jerome Bravo, Jason Eggleston aka P22, Loutfi Ajaoun

Congrats SS, all that hard work definatley paid off!! Enjoy :)

Super Heavies , Call-outs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5DbFZdO1QI

Damn, good for you Slin shady, look forward to reading more as you progress....

I think Ron is a trooper he has such a positive attitude even after all this time coming so close. Ron is a big dude with a very large frame so he has oodles of room for growth. I think that is the key for Ron to take this Championship by storm. He seems to have the conditioning down so maybe taking a year off from competing and really get some thickness packed on to have a nice fresh look for the judges. The judges have to be surprised when Ron comes out on stage. I think at this point it dosen't matter how ripped he comes in he needs to pack some muscle mass on that huge frame to blow the judges away without sacrificing his conditioning.
He is great for the sport and I hope he really sits down and thinks about taking some time off to get that size on and to give himself a fresh start mentally and physically.

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here's an odd question: when do you say enough is enough and move onto other things instead of chasing a dream that, right now, seems like it will never be a reality?

Take that year or 2 off to come back and retool but lets be honest here, he's never going to amount to anything on a pro stage. He's getting way to old to do any real damage. I can't imagine how much money he's spent in the pursuit of a pro card but I sure know that if I was doing all the work and forking out the cash for nothing in return I'd be questioning why I am doing this.

I remember Fouad questioned whether bodybuilding was right for him leading up to his pro card win. He figured that getting denied a few times maybe it just wasn't in the cards. Ron has been a serious contender for what, 6-7 years now?

Gotta feel for the guy that's for sure.

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Originally Posted by natenator

here's an odd question: when do you say enough is enough and move onto other things instead of chasing a dream that, right now, seems like it will never be a reality?

Take that year or 2 off to come back and retool but lets be honest here, he's never going to amount to anything on a pro stage. He's getting way to old to do any real damage. I can't imagine how much money he's spent in the pursuit of a pro card but I sure know that if I was doing all the work and forking out the cash for nothing in return I'd be questioning why I am doing this.

I remember Fouad questioned whether bodybuilding was right for him leading up to his pro card win. He figured that getting denied a few times maybe it just wasn't in the cards. Ron has been a serious contender for what, 6-7 years now?



Gotta feel for the guy that's for sure.

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I guess this is the whole other question that he will have to think about. But then again he truly loves competing and maybe getting a pro card is enough satisfaction for him.

Look at the SHW winner and the changes that he made. In 2008 we competed together in the HW class and he was tied for last in the class. Props to that guy!

Nate.. the same can be said about anything in life... I mean, the guy passed up for promotion at work, the actress who doesn't get the lead role, any athlete really... it's passion that drives people...
I don't know Ron (except that he has stellar taste in music! CLUTCH ROCKS!!!) but it might no even be about making money as a pro bb... it might just be about winning it.. I dunno... every time someone tells me I "can't" or I'm not "good enough"... I push harder to prove them wrong...

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Originally Posted by Dryvrgrl

Nate.. the same can be said about anything in life... I mean, the guy passed up for promotion at work, the actress who doesn't get the lead role, any athlete really... it's passion that drives people...
I don't know Ron (except that he has stellar taste in music! CLUTCH ROCKS!!!) but it might no even be about making money as a pro bb... it might just be about winning it.. I dunno... every time someone tells me I "can't" or I'm not "good enough"... I push harder to prove them wrong...

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I was looking at it more from a time/financial point of view. It's frigging expensive to compete at the national level. Travel alone is expensive and then factor in everything else so to spend ALL that money and never get what you're searching for.

Maybe it is more about the end goal for Ron. Finally getting what he worked so hard to get and then calling it a day but to keep showing up year after year and not getting it done you'd think he'd seriously question what needs to be done and I think the guy hit the nail on the head. Take a break from competing and make the adjustments and gains to get the job done.

I hope he can get what he's fighting so hard for. I believe he deserves it.

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Originally Posted by natenator

I was looking at it more from a time/financial point of view. It's frigging expensive to compete at the national level. Travel alone is expensive and then factor in everything else so to spend ALL that money and never get what you're searching for.

Maybe it is more about the end goal for Ron. Finally getting what he worked so hard to get and then calling it a day but to keep showing up year after year and not getting it done you'd think he'd seriously question what needs to be done and I think the guy hit the nail on the head. Take a break from competing and make the adjustments and gains to get the job done.

I hope he can get what he's fighting so hard for. I believe he deserves it.

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I can't think of anyone who has made a successful career out of amateur bodybuilding. If I'm wrong I'd like to hear about it. Does anybody remember Greg Kovacs??? His was a memorable career, not! I agree Natenator; time off & rest is a bodybuilders best friend. Correct me if I'm wrong but Santana's last show was 2006, no? Big changes that paid off, and somewhat of a real life to enjoy in those years off I bet.

Once a guy or gal gets his Pro Card then is the time to do multiple shows per year and get what you can out of the experience. These Pro's are also expected to make serious gains during that time. Unless the card comes your way before age 30 there is not a lot of time to pick and choose and take the growing time. By all accounts a competitors value (contracts & sponsorships) is in facetime and appearances. When amateurs have a whole year to prepare for one show and only make marginal gains it is a good reflection of where they will land if ever given the chance in the IFBB ranks.

Here's some food for thought. Ron's situation reminds me of Mr. Bob Cicherillo. His amateur record was:
1987 NPC Nationals Heavyweight, 5th
1989 NPC Nationals Heavyweight, 4th
1989 IFBB North American Championships Heavyweight, 4th
1989 NPC USA Championships Heavyweight, 2nd
1990 NPC Nationals Light Heavyweight, 5th
1993 NPC USA Championships Heavyweight, 8th
1995 NPC USA Championships Heavyweight, 15th
1996 NPC Nationals Heavyweight, 8th
1999 NPC Nationals Heavyweight, 2nd
2000 NPC USA Championships Super Heavyweight & Overall, 1st (PRO CARD)

After this he competed for 3 years in the IFBB only cracking the top 5 twice in 8 shows I believe. Met Bob and he's a great guy but a bit bitter IMO in hindsight about what took so long and how little it amounted to.

Compare to Ron's amateur record (Pro qualifying shows)
2000 CBBF Nationals Super Heavyweight, 2nd
2001 CBBF Nationals Super Heavyweight, 5th
2002 CBBF Nationals Super Heavyweight, 3rd
2003 CBBF Nationals Super Heavyweight, 2nd
2004 CBBF Nationals Super Heavyweight, 4th
2006 CBBF Nationals Super Heavyweight, 2nd
2007 CBBF Nationals Super Heavyweight, 1st
2008 CBBF Nationals Super Heavyweight, 2nd
2009 CBBF Nationals Super Heavyweight, 2nd
2009 IFBB North America Championships, 6th
2010 CBBF Nationals Super Heavyweight, 2nd

I'll say this, the man is clearly endeared to the sport! He is one of a kind when it comes to tenacity. Just wonder if it is passion that still drives him or fellowship?

I guess Ron Parow has his reasons and those are the only ones that count. We are all entitled to our opinions; good or bad but at the end of the day a man has only himself to answer to. Let's hope Big Ron is honest with the one person that counts the most.

Best of luck to Ron at the 2010 N.A's. You have a whole country rooting for you!

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Originally Posted by Dryvrgrl

Nate.. the same can be said about anything in life... I mean, the guy passed up for promotion at work, the actress who doesn't get the lead role, any athlete really... it's passion that drives people...
I don't know Ron (except that he has stellar taste in music! CLUTCH ROCKS!!!) but it might no even be about making money as a pro bb... it might just be about winning it.. I dunno... every time someone tells me I "can't" or I'm not "good enough"... I push harder to prove them wrong...

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Yes, but the point is... the guy that doesn't get the promotion is probably going to go get another job if he gets passed on enough, the actress.. she is going to eventually find a job after enough passes on roles, there's a fine line between not giving up, and its not going to happen. Its like Kevin Levrone said when he retired. " I realized they were never going to give it to me " maybe this is the case for Ron.. hopefully not I'd love to see the guy get it.. but like i said, theres a fine line between not giving up, and chasing a dream thats not going to happen.

Yes 2nd place can be a big motivator as can proving people wrong.. yes its great for motivating you in the gym and in life but eventually you have to look at real life, and unfortunately you have to accept what you see. but some time off for Ron could see big changes happen I wish the guy all the best, and hopefully next time out is his time

I totally see your point sean and nate.. Im sure whatever Ron chooses to do, will be the right choice for him... I am personally rooting for him though...:yeah... he's young!! lots of time... if he took a year or two and came back, he'd still be young! I wish him the best!

I am anxiously awaiting scores to be posted. Both for Ron's class, as well as a few others.

You know... after one of these things is done... you can't help playing "what if.." like "what if we used a different colout".. "what if I would have smiled more"... "what if I dind't cramp"... "what if I would have done more cardio"... or whatever... Everyone who stood up on that stage is amazing! and you all deserve alot of credit!

I think Leigh is going to take a year off and get bigger up top. She has legs like an oak tree!! we gotta get her top half to match... which iMO translates into 6 to 10 pounds up top. Just trying to process what that means as far as training, diet and weather thats even possible as a "natural athlete".

People...lets give Ron some breathing space. He trains and diets his ass off for years, goes to the show in great shape and gets beat out by a guy who "obviously did the same". When Ron gets his feedback from the judges, he with those that are close to him, I don't know if he has family, will have to sit down and make some very hard decisions with respect to his bodybuilding future as a competitor...and those of you in the game know that is not going to be easy. Everyone wants to win and when it's time to leave, they want to do it on their terms...lets give him some space and let him reflect a little...it may take months or longer to make a decision and that still may not be final. He knows his body and the work he has to endure to make the necessary changes...if he really needs to and it's obvious from posts here that people think there needs to be changes. Personally, I'd like to tell Ron you looked awesome and it is most guys dream that read these threads to one day look like that...and congrats...for second. We are all super excited when an athlete wins silver at the Olympics... You are a Canadian BB icon no matter what the judges score cards say. Good luck and all the best in your future endeavors...no matter what they are as a person with your obvious work ethic will succeed in whatever they pursue.

This is what happens when you get a "peoples choice" athlete....and we are all forgetting the young man who won the supers...I don't see anyone saying congrats to him or talking about his stage presence other than DGRL letting us know on show night on this thread that his conditioning was "spot on".....you looked foggin awesome and a super congrats to you ...you have a fantastic future ahead of you in the great sport of BB...and as you can tell from the post there are some passionate people out there who love the sport...we all admire your efforts to achieve what you just did...can we get some posts maybe about how this guy looked awesome and really rocked the show as he was an obvious "surprise winner"....cause he trained and dieted his ass off...

That will be all for the lectures today...lol...thanks

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Originally Posted by Dryvrgrl

I totally see your point sean and nate.. Im sure whatever Ron chooses to do, will be the right choice for him... I am personally rooting for him though...:yeah... he's young!! lots of time... if he took a year or two and came back, he'd still be young! I wish him the best!

I am anxiously awaiting scores to be posted. Both for Ron's class, as well as a few others.

You know... after one of these things is done... you can't help playing "what if.." like "what if we used a different colout".. "what if I would have smiled more"... "what if I dind't cramp"... "what if I would have done more cardio"... or whatever... Everyone who stood up on that stage is amazing! and you all deserve alot of credit!

I think Leigh is going to take a year off and get bigger up top. She has legs like an oak tree!! we gotta get her top half to match... which iMO translates into 6 to 10 pounds up top. Just trying to process what that means as far as training, diet and weather thats even possible as a "natural athlete".

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She has come a really long way naturally! I'm not going to say she's doing anything behind your back cause I have seen some incredibly gifted bodybuilders that took nothing on the banned list. But if she does make the switch, she will probably grow like nobody's business!

Congartulations to Santana!! Phenomemal brother! You did what we all aspire to do. Salim's turn next year!

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Originally Posted by Dryvrgrl

I totally see your point sean and nate.. Im sure whatever Ron chooses to do, will be the right choice for him... I am personally rooting for him though...:yeah... he's young!! lots of time... if he took a year or two and came back, he'd still be young! I wish him the best!

I am anxiously awaiting scores to be posted. Both for Ron's class, as well as a few others.

You know... after one of these things is done... you can't help playing "what if.." like "what if we used a different colout".. "what if I would have smiled more"... "what if I dind't cramp"... "what if I would have done more cardio"... or whatever... Everyone who stood up on that stage is amazing! and you all deserve alot of credit!

I think Leigh is going to take a year off and get bigger up top. She has legs like an oak tree!! we gotta get her top half to match... which iMO translates into 6 to 10 pounds up top. Just trying to process what that means as far as training, diet and weather thats even possible as a "natural athlete".

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6-10 pounds of competition weight may take Leigh 2 years as a full blown natural. That's a lot of muscle.

For the competitors reading these threads. You gots fans. MP's hard work showcasing canadian bodybuilding is starting to bear fruit. This thread has seen 13,415 views as I'm typing this. While the vast majority never sign up or post they are reading, watching and cheering for you guys.

again... congratulations to all of you.

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Originally Posted by razorsedge

People...lets give Ron some breathing space. He trains and diets his ass off for years, goes to the show in great shape and gets beat out by a guy who "obviously did the same". When Ron gets his feedback from the judges, he with those that are close to him, I don't know if he has family, will have to sit down and make some very hard decisions with respect to his bodybuilding future as a competitor...and those of you in the game know that is not going to be easy. Everyone wants to win and when it's time to leave, they want to do it on their terms...lets give him some space and let him reflect a little...it may take months or longer to make a decision and that still may not be final. He knows his body and the work he has to endure to make the necessary changes...if he really needs to and it's obvious from posts here that people think there needs to be changes. Personally, I'd like to tell Ron you looked awesome and it is most guys dream that read these threads to one day look like that...and congrats...for second. We are all super excited when an athlete wins silver at the Olympics... You are a Canadian BB icon no matter what the judges score cards say. Good luck and all the best in your future endeavors...no matter what they are as a person with your obvious work ethic will succeed in whatever they pursue.

This is what happens when you get a "peoples choice" athlete....and we are all forgetting the young man who won the supers...I don't see anyone saying congrats to him or talking about his stage presence other than DGRL letting us know on show night on this thread that his conditioning was "spot on".....you looked foggin awesome and a super congrats to you ...you have a fantastic future ahead of you in the great sport of BB...and as you can tell from the post there are some passionate people out there who love the sport...we all admire your efforts to achieve what you just did...can we get some posts maybe about how this guy looked awesome and really rocked the show as he was an obvious "surprise winner"....cause he trained and dieted his ass off...

That will be all for the lectures today...lol...thanks

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Thank you. You are the very 1st one to congrats me.
Trained hard and diet hard ALL by my self since 14 years now.
So like you ask i post some pics. It has been taked just before the finals in the room of the super heavy.

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Originally Posted by loutfi

Thank you. You are the very 1st one to congrats me.

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Hey, that would mean you didn't read my pm I sent you this morning. Check your private messages :)

People...that is "SAD"....this guy just won the national SHW title and nobody has congrat him...we're all better people than that...check out his pics...thanks so much for posting them...that didn't happen overnite or by fluke....it is straight out hard work.

Hey loutfi, you also made huge impression on my LHW buddy Ram just by taking some time to have a chat with him...all the best and will continue to follow your progress. Don't be shy about letting us all know whats up for you next..

ooh yes i saw it. but i mean not by mp.
on the topic so everybody can read it lol

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Originally Posted by tiramisu

6-10 pounds of competition weight may take Leigh 2 years as a full blown natural. That's a lot of muscle.

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trust me,
10 pounds of muscle won't come in 2 years natural unless you just picked up a weight yesterday. also, 10 pounds is ALOT on anyone, let alone someone who is 115 to begin with. Don't make the mistake of trying to be 5 pounds heavier next year, because it will likely mean your 3-4 pounds softer.

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Originally Posted by steve_d

trust me,
10 pounds of muscle won't come in 2 years natural unless you just picked up a weight yesterday. also, 10 pounds is ALOT on anyone, let alone someone who is 115 to begin with. Don't make the mistake of trying to be 5 pounds heavier next year, because it will likely mean your 3-4 pounds softer.

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I agree with you. People don't fully understand what 5,10lbs translates into.

When I talk to kids who want to put on 10lbs during the summer I tell them it's impossible. I tell them to go to the grocery store and buy 5lbs of ground beef and then I tell me to put some on their chest, shoulders, legs, back, etc. They'll quickly see just how much 5lbs looks on their frame.

Then I tell them to get those 5lbs they need to not miss a single meal, eat 6-7 meals a day every day, go to the gym 5 days a week and literally kill their body, to not go out and drink with their friends and to get as much sleep as humanly possible.

If they do all that they might gain 3lbs. 5 is a whole nother world of hurt lol

As for big Ron....Many of you post in the sense that it is the judges not "giving" it to him. To get a pro card you have to earn it. Yes, Ron is awesome, but you have to remember, competing year after year will not guarantee you a top spot. "Paying your dues" will also not get you a card. I saw the pics, and yes, Ron looked equally as good as he ever has - slightly more ripped even. But there are always up and comers who will steal that spot from him unless he puts on a lot of muscle AND keeps his conditioning.

As mentioned, a couple years away from dieting may be the best thing to do at this point. Otherwise, there will be some up and comers who will steal the show year after year. Especially because the overall winners of the future will likely continue to be even bigger and better than the overall winners of yesteryear.

On another note, I don't think the 2nd card was not given because the masters are in 2 weeks. Masters were always awarded a card and that won't change. The 2nd card is given when someone is deserving. If they had to give another card, it would have likely been the SWH or the 2nd place heavy. And since the 2nd place HW will likely win in 2 weeks, the judges I am sure felt no one else was quite ready to get that card.

I gave Loutfi his props!

He looked great!

Well congrats on your win Loutfi.

As I stated in the pm. A lot of us had just heard about you when you won the FCPAQ provincials. It was a very impressive win and we're hoping to see more from you in the future. I did some research on you and I'm quite impressed at how long you've been at this. Also at the many different places you've competed. I'll try to get as much of a complete history of your shows for your profile but may need your help to get them all.

Loutfi!.. Did you see the pic I posted from Weigh in? it's in this thread!

Steve and Nate.. that's why we think she is taking a year off... 2012 she can come in middle with some big gains... or she can decide if taking the "next step" is appropriate at this point... either way, Im proud of her and what she accomplished!

I'm Glad Melody won her card! She wanted it really bad.. and I believe she will be a working Pro! Also Melody.. Thanks for all your help and advice for us! You are a wealth of information!

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Originally Posted by steve_d

And since the 2nd place HW will likely win in 2 weeks, the judges I am sure felt no one else was quite ready to get that card.

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Praetorian may have something to say about that lol

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Originally Posted by natenator

Praetorian may have something to say about that lol

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hehe, that's why I said likely....I can only go by the pics I saw of chris, and he was looking dry. When he won provincial last year, he was quite soft, but now he is looking tough to beat!

I hope P comes in shredded, looking forward to the two of them side by side. Could be a very fun show to watch!

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Originally Posted by loutfi

ooh yes i saw it. but i mean not by mp.
on the topic so everybody can read it lol

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Congrats brother...well deserved win...i thought you looked the best up there...very nice shape and symmetry!!
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Originally Posted by steve_d

trust me,
10 pounds of muscle won't come in 2 years natural unless you just picked up a weight yesterday. also, 10 pounds is ALOT on anyone, let alone someone who is 115 to begin with. Don't make the mistake of trying to be 5 pounds heavier next year, because it will likely mean your 3-4 pounds softer.

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100% FACT...well said!!!
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Originally Posted by steve_d

hehe, that's why I said likely....I can only go by the pics I saw of chris, and he was looking dry. When he won provincial last year, he was quite soft, but now he is looking tough to beat!

I hope P comes in shredded, looking forward to the two of them side by side. Could be a very fun show to watch!

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No need to hope brother...shredded was so three weeks ago! ;o)
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congrats loutfi,....you looked friggin amazing.....great of you to post up some pics......

drvygrl, tell leigh great work as well......I think she is doing a great job representing MB, and i think its good to see her doing so well au natural, if she does take the step, it wont be until she has done all she can natural, which is awesome....CC has the same plan in mind and i commend anyone that has that fortitude....I know i sure dont, but good for you gals!!!
Thanks also for keeping us up to date, i was glued to the screen all night to see how my friend Former Mr.anitoba Trevor Martin was doing, i chatted with him after and he is very happy with his placement...!!!:D

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Originally Posted by Praetorian

No need to hope brother...shredded was so three weeks ago! ;o)
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Damn i cannot wait to see what you unveil big fella!!!:popc2

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Originally Posted by Praetorian

No need to hope brother...shredded was so three weeks ago! ;o)
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Awesome!! Can't wait to see

I'm gettin giddy

Thanks for all the support!!! Gonna take a bit of time to focus on "real life" lol...and come back as a solid middle weight!!

Scores are up!