so how did you fare?Quote:
Originally Posted by RagingRandy
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so how did you fare?Quote:
Originally Posted by RagingRandy
^^^^ Much better than IM. There is a red spot about the size of a hardball. There is obviously some inflammation but there is far less pain than IM. I am wondering if it Prop in the Sust that I am having a reaction to. I have used the same brand Test E with no issues.
i did test prop 200mg/ml and only a bit sore at 12-18 hours. no redness unless i do over 1/2cc
limit the jab to 1/2cc per jab. try the ass area too of you can bend far enough around
I am doing about .7-.8 ml eod.Quote:
Originally Posted by waderow
I had a huge lump that lasted about 2.5 weeks. I also broke out really bad with bacne.. first time and i've been on Test for 7 months with no problems..
I wonder if it was because my SUB-Q shots were really not absorbed properly and my levels dropped/fluctuated enough to cause the sides?
I'm going back to IM for a bit and see if the bacne goes away..
crazy. wonder why there was a lump for 2.5 weeks?
Don't know bro. I did I think 3-4 weeks of Sub-Q shots so 8 injections and only had the lump with the one..
I'll give it a bit and try it again, I definately preferred it over IM.
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its all in tis thread but if you dont want to read back ... no, no abcess unless you would get one anyways....and if you were to get one, where do you want it? under skin or 2inches deep in muscle????Quote:
Originally Posted by CanadianEagle
any gear can be used
yes, i use insulin syringe... 29ga x 1/2"
limit to 1/2cc per jab, but ou can jab anywhere you want on your body.
bump for HeavyD
I got a lump too, still here after 3 weeks, but receeding.. have to say it wasn't HG gear though.. but I had no problems with lumps with the other UG I was using this way... went a little crazy one day.. 4 - 1/2 ml SQ shots.. lol.. one left a lump.
Back to IM for a while.. I notice acne flare up to with the sub q... maybe I didn't give it long enough.. IDK.
Tried this with some prop yesterday very easy shot , no mark a day later.
Slighty sore to the touch but significantly less than an IM shot for me
tried this as well. Did 3 prop shots (different days) 2 weeks ago and still have a bit of a deposit :(
How much volume Nate?
.5 cc
weird. I was doing .5cc shots with great success, but once went too low on abdomen and had a bump for a few days.
maybe when I hit 10% range and switch to contest prep I'll give them another shot.
I was doing it around the 10% mark. Are you thinking you got it into belly fat?
must have :(
Hey, guys this is my first post here, just to add.
I am a diabetic, I also have studied anatomy for 2.5 years
The lumps you are getting from the injects are because you didnt reach through the fat or fully through the skin layers, the bumps may itch"hurt" for 1-2 days, but can be at the spots for up to 1 week or longer if it manage to get infected inside the bump, varying if your body sweats or gets heated enough for the oil to be more liquid like to get out again, if you want it away fast, you can use a needle and poke the skin above it until you get into the core of the bump(you feel it like if you remember once you had a large spot/acne and it exploded its the same feeling) then take out the needle and take a grip under the bump(so that is held like when you are putting the injection in) and try squeeze it slowly out, not to fast or it might get more infected.
Now also to answer sub-q parts, waderow is completly correct about that the effect of the steroid injectet is just as potent as if IM, its just absorbed slower, now varying by its steroids construction (water/oil and molekylar build-up) but its full effect is in as with Insulin, but varies between all the types of steroids aka, 15 min - 2.5 hours.
Sub-Q is safer as waderow says also, and already stated why. Parts about infections and estrogen. because the amount of steroids active in your body is slowly added, and not fast added, "compare it like, IM = Steroids active extremly fast, aka estrogen build up is fast" to "Sub-Q slowly building up steroid levels and estrogen levels most estrogen sides is actually never going to occour there because of the slow buildup".
Also just to say I dont know about oils Sub-Q so extremly well, but from what I've gathered is that it will just get stored a little longer before getting soothed out.
Also dosages of which you inject to Sub-Q, you can have pretty large amounts in the Sub-Q of your body, dont forget, Thighs, and stomach are(at same hight as your naval and atleast 2 inches away from it is great spots, this places can store large ammount of fluids from injects). direct inject is possible, but its best to use a certain angle, what angle also varries a lot from how you fold your skin and how thight your holding it!
Just posting to help people who wishes to try this.
From what I've tried of it(actually began experimenting on this around the same time as waderow) but didnt find this forum untill today.
Long first post.
Hey, welcome, glad to have you on the site!Quote:
Originally Posted by Zyko
Can you please tell me how to make sure i get through the fat? Would it help if i inj in an area with less BF (upper abdomen)... im using 1/2" needles
I've done it a few times in area around my belly button and i get the itchy sensation you describe
thanks!!
Great read. Thanks.
I've never tried putting it into my upper abs, but more fat is easier to notice when your through I would think, I can try now when I inject my insulin? using insulin is much safer to test for me with diabetes, first of all, i can check if my body will absorb it from those locations, and how well, usually stomach absorb alot faster than if it got shot in the leg, because its a larger absorbtion area and its closer the vital organs.Quote:
Originally Posted by legaliz3
Well to make sure you get it through the belly fat is to make notice
-no stinging
-after injection it might get itchy if you are not used to it, if there is a bump then its not through (although irritation bump and wrong inject bump differs The main difference being that the bump that is wrongly injected can be felt like a marble in the skin, while the irritation bump is soft and not as round formed, its like a nippletip so to say, little bump but with a flat backside), if you get a little "pain" umm a little sting like feeling you probable hit at small nerve in the skin layer nothing to worry about.
The most noticeble to have made a good injection is no bumps.
-Now I dont know if you are a girl or a guy, but it should not matter really, never ever take it too close to the bellybutton and thats even if its insulin, this will sting like mad and may be very well potencially dangerous.
another way to know you've come through the bellyfat and into the "pocket" where you are supposed to inject it, is that you dont have to use alot of force(of course this force applied is actually really easy to notice because you will feel the skin swelling)
Now when you've taken the injection, take in consideration on how large a dose you injected, the larger dose you will most probable feel a large "sack" in a large area, now this confirms that its under the fatlayer and is inside the pocket I refered to earlier. Also, about the distance from an older shot, these holes you "make"(the skin is made of billions of holes) its pretty rare to get a scar, may vary on how thick the needle, the thicker the needle is the more itching will occour. because you are ripping skin tissue with large needles, if you use insulin needle sizes, they usally only expands the holes, of course some gets ripped. but 1/2 inch apart of each injection site is a good thumb rule. 2-4 days(varies from persons, for me 3 days is good to go) inbetween before you can use the same spot again is also needed to consider.
Ok, going to have a double post here, but its because I have now taken the insulin shot at my upper abs/ lower chest even*
for steroids Im not sure if its safe though its pretty close to your heart.
http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/9343/picture11q.jpg
The ring and the dot is exactly where I placed it, now dont mock my body because Im in a real sloppy position. ;)
I am red around the area because I usually pinch a little to hard sometimes, and on the upper I had to pinch harder.
Waiting to see if its working.
Also another addition to know if you've gotten through when you pump your juice in, you will often feel the liquid coming inside you, because it doesnt have exact body temprature, its also not extremly important when doing
Sub-Q's to have body temprature, room temprature is more than enough. of course not if the room is like 14C/57.2 fahrenheit and lower :p
EDIT: I can post a picture to where I inject my insulin and/or steroids, Also from the picture all can see that I use very low amounts of steroids, I am a diabetic also I am not bulking :p and I want to keep som fat and water retention.
I didnt notice what you said about your needle length before now, but I also use 1/2" They are usually the most common used needles for diabetic pens, so they should be enough for you, what are your bf %? I got a approx 12-14% varing on measure method and 1/2" needle is perfect for me.
Update: Ok, the insulin is being absorbed, no itchin occouring, I feel easily when I've injected anything in my body as I try to notice it, but no soreness what so ever, also no pain when taking the inject, felt the area getting filled with insulin, was a good chill feeling, so I expect it should work, but at very small dosages, I cant give you an exact dosage, insulin dosages and steroid dosages is not measured the same way
Topic to be read!
https://healthlibrary.epnet.com/GetC...chunkiid=33267
just to fix up, the fatlayer which creates the bump is the thin layer between the skin and the proper fat layer that is Sub-Q
you see the gray line? now thats the problem that you may have had if you got a bump and its staying.(aka you have not reached through)
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I am just going to state this about the lump you had for 2.5 weeks, this I can experience with insulin as well, the cause is because the sub-q area was loaded to fast with too much(maybe first time you injected sub-q there?) the lump is like a bump you get if you hit your head hard into something, not exactly the same, but its basicly saying do not mess with that area until the lump is gone, also people, after injecting, DO not rub the area hard, this will make a lump because its like exploding your sub-q area and the body makes the lump saying its fixing like it does with bruises . ;)
By the way, can people post what steroids you have used Sub-Q? Just to confirm all that currently has been proved to work.
Boldenone and Growth hormone, Have been done here. :)
^^That website says: "A subcutaneous (SQ) injection is a shot where the needle goes into the fat layer between the skin and the muscle to deliver a certain amount of medicine."
Looks to me like you want to inject into the fat itself. Which makes sense, it seems unlikely that you'd be able to accurately get it underneath the fat.
I have been off cycle for 4 months. I just tried .25 of Test prop subQ, and we'll see if I feel it tomorrow :)
http://services.epnet.com/getimage.aspx?imageiid=7659
Well I think you will be feeling fine :)
and about the injection into the fat layer, the underside between the skin and fat is where the bump is going to be, its just a misconception of the work "pocket" between muscle and fat :p
ok another info update, regarding insulin amount, I use 30 entities of long lasting insulin 1 entity = 1.6 mmol/l
meaning 48 mmol insulin on 1 spot is perfectly doable on the thigh atleast.
48 mmol = 864 mg/dl
From further reading some steroids are measured the same way as insulin
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...37;2Fl+mg%2Fdl
x amount mmol (multiplied by) 18 = x amount mg/dL
x amount mg/dL (divided by) 18 = x amount mmol
seems it measures
IGF-1 LR3, HGH, and INSULIN
I tried winstrol suspension a few years back and had some serious issues with redness and pain.
I am trying .5ml sub q today 50mg/ml thus, 25mg.
Wish me luck.
I was having really bad reactions to masterone and decidied to shelf it, but then I read this thread and decided to try it out, well I shot on saturday, and my stomach is messed. I have a half a tennis ball lump on the side of my belly, and I tried really hard not to inject into fat, I did a show 1 month ago so im not carrying to much anyway, shot correctly (or so I think) and have decidied to shelf the gear again. It was extremely painful for the first couple of days and I dont think I could live with that kinda pain all ovet my abdomin. From what I've read it should start decipated soon I hope, I'm almost tempted to stick I pin in and drain it but dont want to make things worse. Let me know what you think, or advise. P.S anyone want half a jug of masterone, lol.
Injected .5ml of winstrol in my stomach fat with a slin pin
injection went fine, started to feel some pain and a small bump after about 5-6 hours. the slight pain remains today, just a tad of redness, barely any. can't feel the pain unless i touch it. so all in all, not that bad, but i don't think i could do tihs everyday if it will result in small little pain spots all over my body.
Well 11-16% bf is recommended for sub-Q imo, because I've noticed the less body fat the less chance of getting into the fat layer. And to fat you need a larger needle to get it the middle of the fatlayer.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nnRgK07C7-A
Great movie for abdominal sub-Q she is actually doing it correct, many other youtube things is done in improper ways.
Also the info about the movie is really important as well, but all users of injections should know this.
- clean the site and stopper (if using a vial) prior to needle insertion.
- Location, angle of entry.
- IMPORTANT: ALWAYS pull the stopper back to make sure you haven't hit a blood vessel. Whether injecting into fat on an angle or straight into a muscle there's always a chance you might hit a vein, and in most cases you do not want to mainline a medication, the consequences could be serious.
I tried 25mg of Test Prop subQ 4 days ago. I am off cycle, and thought I might have felt a little bit of the Test, but didn't really. It's hard to guess, but it seems like absorption might be much much slower this way.
how much did you shoot?Quote:
Originally Posted by red rocket
Limit to 1/2 cc per jab, inject slow, and move to new location if wanting bigger jabs
I did the 1/2cc recommended, the slin pins I picked up were only 1/2cc, personally i think I'm allergic to something in it, from all the research I've been able to do all new masterone is a synthetic version of the original, which I believe has been off the market for about 10 years now. It must have something to do with that cuz I've tried just about everything made over the years and never had any reactions like I have with this stuff, not just the sub-q shot, all im pokes were the same, just cleared up a lil quicker, usually 4 days, but I'm now at 8 days and the pain has lessened over the last day and a half, but the lump is still there.
Well, add me to the list of people who joined just to respond to this topic!
Nice job keeping track of this. My rat has some Test Prop that hurts like a b*tch for days after an IM injection, so he was looking for something different. Going to try the subq on the next cycle to see how he likes it.
I'd assume that any place could be used for subq correct?
It'll be 1/2cc every day, so 50mg a day. He'd much rather have a little bit of pain every day versus a crap load every other.
if your belly sub q is too much pain, try in the ass and hip area sub q
im thinkin about trying this again...with an oil based product his time....
anyone try the s.a. suspension sub q? I just stumbled upon a bottle in my stash
^^ go for it bro. there is a couple posts where guys pinned suspension sub q.
I didn't like the pain from my abdominal injection, so I tried on some fat on my thighs, just to experiment with myself. Those didn't feel good... Perhaps I am just unable to run injectable winstrol, far too painful in any way.