2011 BCABBA Sandra Wickham Fall Classic Results

Some of the first five callouts were bizarre in manner and choice which of course caused alot of raised eybrows

What did u see spent that caused you concern...I never watch bikini but did see the rest and thought the winners were chosen consistently...each class was down to the obvious 2 or 3 and from that, the winners looked like winners. There will always be situations where the final 2 may be reversed dependent on your opinion but I don't think there was anyone winning a class or overall who wasn't deserving.

Agree , I didnt see any shockers ....I didnt hang for Bikini either though ....

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Originally Posted by razorsedge

Some of the first five callouts were bizarre in manner and choice which of course caused alot of raised eybrows

What did u see spent that caused you concern...I never watch bikini but did see the rest and thought the winners were chosen consistently...each class was down to the obvious 2 or 3 and from that, the winners looked like winners. There will always be situations where the final 2 may be reversed dependent on your opinion but I don't think there was anyone winning a class or overall who wasn't deserving.

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In this day and age with electronic mail etc, I can't believe we don't have all the placings yet. Competitors not in the top 5 have no damn idea where they placed yet...maybe 6th..maybe 15th..brutal...shame on BCABBA

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Originally Posted by razorsedge

In this day and age with electronic mail etc, I can't believe we don't have all the placings yet. Competitors not in the top 5 have no damn idea where they placed yet...maybe 6th..maybe 15th..brutal...shame on BCABBA

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i emailed BCABBA
the score sheets have to come from the head judge who is Nadia Nardi
now really i thought YOU would be aware of Nadia & Chris' situation
we are lucky to have Nadia to be able to step up into Chris' HEAD JUDGE SHOES after the health issue Chris had
and recently he had a severe setback
the fact Nadia would even be there and travel from the Island over says alot to her committment to the association

to me as a competitor if i'm outta the top 5 who cares where i place really i'm out of what counts back to the drawing board lol

I'm aware of the situation and have tons of compassion and understanding about that but it isn't a one person show and I am in no way bashing Nadia..lets make that crystal clear. Not one post in this thread says anything untoward about the judges or their job. There are senior judges that could have stepped up and looked after that or even executive...especially knowing the situation with Nadia and family.

And I'm totally aware that if you finish out of the top 5 it's back to work..but remember these are novice competitors and they just want to know and it frustrates them..and they are the future of the sport.

My guys placed thats all I care about, lmao, kidding.

And I hope Chris is doing ok, not sure what most recently happened but hope he recovers quickly.

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Originally Posted by razorsedge

I'm aware of the situation and have tons of compassion and understanding about that but it isn't a one person show and I am in no way bashing Nadia..lets make that crystal clear. Not one post in this thread says anything untoward about the judges or their job. There are senior judges that could have stepped up and looked after that or even executive...especially knowing the situation with Nadia and family.

And I'm totally aware that if you finish out of the top 5 it's back to work..but remember these are novice competitors and they just want to know and it frustrates them..and they are the future of the sport.

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the lastest message i got last night while i was sleeping was: "Chris and Dia usually send the score out about now, but with Chris' situation we are not holding our breath"

I ASKED IF ALL THE OTHER ASSOC/PROVINCES POSTED IMMEDIATELY THEIR SHOWS SCORES HERE AND OTHER THAN 1 ASSOC THE ANSWER WAS NO

as far as placing 6 to 16th
usually you will have some idea according to your callout

as far as what frustrates novice competitors maybe they should be more involved in their association then
at the AGM the morning after the sat show at the contest hotel even with FREE BRUNCH PROVIDED there was probably only only about 40-45 people there at most
AND THERE WAS OVER 170 COMPETITORS IN THE SHOW BY THE WAY
and most were long timers including the executive and including a fEW IFBB PRO's who are long time helpers of the association but are no longer competing members
if you aren't involved, and you don't come to the meetings, and you don't use your voice to voice your concerns, they you have no reason to complain

i'm not sure how long Chris has been head judge but it has been a long time many years
we used to have the BCMUSCLE Site and Chris used to post scoresheets and answer questions spend huge time doing that
then they shut that site down it was too bad
then Dia took over for Chris when he had the Health scare earlier this year
Chris is again off work and again not very well at all
i'm sure alot of us don't even know what the protocol is for the score sheets/ results
and if anyone wants them posted immediately has anyone ever asked BCABBA ???
if so what was the reply?
instead of just bashing the association BCABBA why don't you ask them directly
posting comments on a forum isn't gonna get you anywhere

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=vjr3VuLb6nA

i heard a great speech from Paul Dillett one time wish i had taped it
it went something like....

"DON'T ASK THE JUDGES OR THE ASSOC FOR THE FEEDBACK OF HOW YOU CAN PLACE BETTER, ASK YOUR TRAINER !
AND TELL YOUR TRAINER TO BE BRUTALLY HONEST WITH YOU HOW YOU NEED TO IMPROVE
AND GET LOTS OF PICTURES AND HONESTLY ANALYZE THOSE PICTURES, TO COMPARISIONS & WHAT YOU NEED TO CHANGE"

no truer words than the above
when i get my competitors that say "how can i find out from the judges feedback"
i say "why why do you want to do that? i can tell you where you need to improve"
and if they don't listen and do it anyway they are still confused lol
one thing i'm known for is brutal honesty
i've lost clients because of it, but i don't care i'm not gonna sugar coat the truth
how is that gonna help them ? its not
most need a wakeup call

or they want the scoresheets
the scoresheets the placings aren't gonna tell you jack
it's not gonna say... great upper body your legs sucked
good from the front from that back uuuuuuuuggghhhh !!! yuck saggy butt
great body your posing was horrific you need to learn how to show of your physique to it's best
or whatever

it drives me crazy when competitors won't spend the money on stage photos
if you don't get photos how can you analyze your physique and see what you really looked like
and see where you need to improve
or even have a record of all your hard work and dedication
it's just bizarre to me
my pix are more important than any trophy any title
the record my history and i have the diets and training programs from each so i know this is what i did and this is the result i got
not to mention do you know how many competitors there are that file infront of the judges
and even if you send a pic or 2 to help them remember who you are its not like seeing it live and comparing you to the other competitors
cuz you can look pretty good alone but it's who was onstage with you that day and what they looked like that matters too

me i never wanted to be a judge no thank you
and i commend those who do that job it's a long hard day for them
me i like to train the competitors i'm a hands on kinda girl