I hate personal trainers

I find to build your physique you need to know how to train and what to eat. Drugs alone is not going to build your physique. If drugs alone was the answer, then everyone using drugs will look like Ronnie Coleman. But they do not. I know some guys that use drugs and still cannot build their physique. Drugs alone is not going to do it. You have to know how to train properly with intense workouts and eat properly. So going to a trainer that has developed their physique is better than going to a trainer that cannot even train themselves. Some people talk the talk, but cannot walk the walk.

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Originally Posted by cog

If a young guy is looking to apply himself,certainly an experienced competitor would be a good selection.What about an early twenties trainer that goes on heavy drugs as soon as they turn 18?If they needed drugs as a teenager what is the evidence they have actually learned something besides how to inject and "what Ronnie did"?People are going to do what they want but hopefully the trainers steer the young guys in a direction that heavily emphasizes diet and understanding their body first.

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Originally Posted by freaky abs

I find to build your physique you need to know how to train and what to eat. Drugs alone is not going to build your physique. If drugs alone was the answer, then everyone using drugs will look like Ronnie Coleman. But they do not. I know some guys that use drugs and still cannot build their physique. Drugs alone is not going to do it. You have to know how to train properly with intense workouts and eat properly. So going to a trainer that has developed their physique is better than going to a trainer that cannot even train themselves. Some people talk the talk, but cannot walk the walk.

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Read my post.If a "trainer" needs to go on drugs at 18 what is the evidence they know how to train?Some people might not gain at all with heavy drugs but the majority will,and certainly the vast majority that attain great physiques will HAVE used drugs.My fear if you missed it is that this kind of trainer will direct young guys into heavy drug use far too early.The natty section is pretty dead here btw.Young guys posting here about recovery problems is evidence enough.Or is HRT already a given by age 25 now?

The earlier dicussions was whether you should train with a personal trainer with a good physique or train with a trainer that does not workout, is fat, cannot build his physique but has knowledge about training. That was what I was commenting about. To reply to what you said - I know many guys with great physiques that do not use drugs. They know how to train and eat properly. As a matter of fact, some of them look way better than guys I know who are using drugs.

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Originally Posted by cog

Read my post.If a "trainer" needs to go on drugs at 18 what is the evidence they know how to train?Some people might not gain at all with heavy drugs but the majority will,and certainly the vast majority that attain great physiques will HAVE used drugs.My fear if you missed it is that this kind of trainer will direct young guys into heavy drug use far too early.The natty section is pretty dead here btw.Young guys posting here about recovery problems is evidence enough.Or is HRT already a given by age 25 now?

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Agree about that.Once knew a trainer skinny as a rail with a huge attitude.The old Nautilus Club on 1st sw in Calgary for anybody that remembers it.

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Originally Posted by freaky abs

The earlier dicussions was whether you should train with a personal trainer with a good physique or train with a trainer that does not workout, is fat, cannot build his physique but has knowledge about training. That was what I was commenting about. To reply to what you said - I know many guys with great physiques that do not use drugs. They know how to train and eat properly. As a matter of fact, some of them look way better than guys I know who are using drugs.

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A mechanic doesnt need to know how to design a car or how its built in order to fix it.

Building something and fixing something are two different things. In bodybuilding, you are building your body not fixing it. You fix something that is broken. If you want your body fixed, you go to a surgeon.

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Originally Posted by natenator

A mechanic doesnt need to know how to design a car or how its built in order to fix it.

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Originally Posted by freaky abs

Building something and fixing something are two different things. In bodybuilding, you are building your body not fixing it. You fix something that is broken. If you want your body fixed, you go to a surgeon.

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As guessed, you completely missed the analogy.

No I did not. But if I am going to go to a mechanic, I will go to one that knows how to fix his own car. If he cannot fix his own car, how is he going to fix mine? If he can fix his own car, he can fix mine. I want to use a personal trainer that has a good physique. If they can train themselves, they can train me. I do not want to train with a trainer that is skinny or fat and cannot train themselves, but claim they have the knowledge to train me. You have to prove yourself.

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Originally Posted by natenator

As guessed, you completely missed the analogy.

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The best trainers are athletes or were athletes with average genetics but who have gone a long way ie top national or pro. Why would you want this person instead of Ronnie Coleman or Dorian Yates as your trainer? Quite simply those with outstanding genetics never had to learn to do everything correctly in order to progress...their genetics allow them to make serious mistakes and yet still improve. The athlete who has average genetics but has taken his body to its potential understands every nuance of diet, training, cycle etc. and can replicate that with anyone....the athlete with fantastic genetics cannot because what worked for them will NOT work for those with less then stellar genetics. Also being an athlete and knowing what it takes to get to the top makes a massive difference. The reason for this is you CANNOT teach someone how to squat 600lbs if you have never done it before yourself...why because with the variable namely weight being increased causes many things to change and thus need correcting and you will have no idea what or how. Teaching someone to squat with 135lbs is easy...600lbs not so much. If you have been there yourself you will understand what is necessary for others to get there...if you've never been there you'll have no idea.

If you wanted to learn to be an F1 race car driver who would you want teaching you...Micheal Schumacher or some guy who just finished reading F1 race car driving for Dummies and has never driven anything but a Honda Civic with a big muffler?



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100% agreed! My ex training partner was genetically gifted, I mean he just had to step up in the weight room and he was growing, but he was not really into knowing, learning, searching everything... everything was going well for him. He had no particular way of training and was not really pushing it. I guess he liked to train and was seeing the results and he was satisfied with that.

On my side, I was a hard gainer, I was always trying to know, learn and improve to reach my maximum potential, as progress was little step after little step... I was doing the extra mile in the gym and the books to get every once of tiny results I could make. Simply put : being so hard to make progress, I was not going to let any possible results slipping through my fingers. Not saying I'm a great trainer or anything like that, I was learning and I'm still learning, but I was the one extremely motivated to learn and progress. Too bad I had to do this mostly on my own and did not have a good trainer like Prae to teach me.

On a side note, when this guy began to train with me (we trained together for about 2-3 years) he began to do the same training I was doing, his progress went through the roof, I mean it was unbelievable how fast he was getting the results vs me doing the exact same training. So the big guy grew 2x faster because of the less big guy.

Eric