Originally Posted by
devo09
lol
You guys are looking at fat burning as an ON/OFF switch, which it isn't
Even with insulin present, fat WILL be burned (if your in a deficit)
AS INSULIN RISES GLUCAGON FALLS AND WITH SO DOES FAT BURNING...IT MAY NOT HALT ALTOGTHER BUT IT IS DRASTICALLY SLOWED
Why would you automatically completely drop all of your carbs?
YOU DONT DROP ALL CARBS ONLY ENOUGH TO GET INTO KETOSIS IF THAT IS THE DIET YOU ARE DOING...YOU STILL REQUIRE 50G DAILY
Your metabolic rate will drop MUCH faster if you do this. Which might not be that big of a problem if your can introduce clen/T3/etc, but for a natural if your metabolic rate is in the shitter, and you still have fat to lose, you're ****ed THIS IS THE PURPOSE OF THE WEEKLY CHEAT MEAL...THE METABOLISM SLOWS BECAUSE CONVERSION OF T4 TO T3 SLOWS....THE CHEAT MEAL INCREASES THIS AND EFFECTIVELY HALTS METABOLISM SLOW DOWN
AND, when you deplete glycogen for so long, you lose the ability to synthesize glycogen, so when you introduce carbs back in the diet (unless you do it VERY slowly) your going to gain a LOT of fat. . I always see the guys that do keto diets get REALLY fat/bloated after a show lol YOU ARE NOT GOING TO GAIN ALOT OF FAT UNLESS YOU OVEREAT...JUST THE SAME AS IN ANY DIET...ONCE A KETO DIET IS FINSHED YOU DO HAVE TO INTRODUCE CARBS SLOWLY...THE SAME AS A REGUALR DIET BECAUSE THE BODY BECOMES VERY CARB SENSISTIVE AND IS NOT AS EFFICIENT AT METABOLIZING CARBS....THIS OCCURS WITH A LOW CARB DIET AS WELL...IT TAKES ABOUT 6 WEEKS TO GET BACK TO NORMAL. ALSO YOU WONT BE ABLE TO OVEREAT CABRS AND GAIN FAT WITHOUT FIRST RUNNING INTO SEVER WATER RETENTION IE PERIPHERAL EDEMA...WHICH CAN LEAD TO CARDIAC ISSUE....DOESNT MATTER WHICH DIET IS USED
oh ya, and ketogenic diets offer no metabolic advantages over moderate/low carb diets
Johnston CS et. al. Ketogenic low-carbohydrate diets have no metabolic advantage over nonketogenic low-carbohydrate diets. American Journal of Clinical Nutrition. (2006) 83: 1055-1061
Background:Low-carbohydrate diets may promote greater weight loss than does the conventional low-fat, high-carbohydrate diet. Objective:We compared weight loss and biomarker change in adults adhering to a ketogenic low-carbohydrate (KLC) diet or a nonketogenic low-carbohydrate (NLC) diet. Design:Twenty adults [body mass index (in kg/m2): 34.4 ± 1.0] were randomly assigned to the KLC (60% of energy as fat, beginning with 5% of energy as carbohydrate) or NLC (30% of energy as fat; 40% of energy as carbohydrate) diet. During the 6-wk trial, participants were sedentary, and 24-h intakes were strictly controlled. Results:Mean (±SE) weight losses (6.3 ± 0.6 and 7.2 ± 0.8 kg in KLC and NLC dieters, respectively; P = 0.324) and fat losses (3.4 and 5.5 kg in KLC and NLC dieters, respectively; P = 0.111) did not differ significantly by group after 6 wk. Blood ß-hydroxybutyrate in the KLC dieters was 3.6 times that in the NLC dieters at week 2 (P = 0.018), and LDL cholesterol was directly correlated with blood ß-hydroxybutyrate (r = 0.297, P = 0.025). Overall, insulin sensitivity and resting energy expenditure increased and serum -glutamyltransferase concentrations decreased in both diet groups during the 6-wk trial (P < 0.05). However, inflammatory risk (arachidonic acid:eicosapentaenoic acid ratios in plasma phospholipids) and perceptions of vigor were more adversely affected by the KLC than by the NLC diet. Conclusions:KLC and NLC diets were equally effective in reducing body weight and insulin resistance, but the KLC diet was associated with several adverse metabolic and emotional effects. The use of ketogenic diets for weight loss is not warranted.
A SIMPLE SEARCH WILL UNCOVER MANY STUDIES DISAGREEING WITH THE ABOVE, A FEW YEARS AGO THE AJCN SAID HIGH CARB LOW FAT DIETS WERE THE MOST EFFECTIVE...HMM.
