Subcutaneously administered steroids

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Originally Posted by Memo

you are telling me I can pin with insulin needed instead of 25? I dont think ugl test oil based will go thru

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Getting it in there with the slin pin is very difficult,you might want to top fill.You will need a good grip on it applying.

^^^ its really not so bad. jab takes 30-40 seconds to draw, and 15 seconds to deposit

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Originally Posted by waderow

^^^ its really not so bad. jab takes 30-40 seconds to draw, and 15 seconds to deposit

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Even if I warm it up it seems to take forever.

If i recall correct, I used a 29ga

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Originally Posted by natehayes

I actually do this too and it works great. I like my delts best. I use an insulin pin and just go straight in until the needle is a bit deeper than flush with the skin. I stick to .5ml (test cyp) or less.

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I tried a delt shot with 1/2" insulin pin 0.5cc. Shot was too shallow and some leaked out, even with Z track.:mad:

personally, I would stick with sub-q

2nd cycle all sub-q, and its the way to go.
Everyone i say this to looks at me like im crazy, in 10 years people will say IM is dangerous and crazy.

Sub-q FTW!!!

Thanks waderow

Just one thing though sub-q is not between the fat and muscle as a nurse explained to me, sub-q is in the fat between the muscle and the skin, if you have no fat then its between the muscle and the skin, but you dont have to go under the fat if its there. Whether the substance is oil based or not makes no difference, as there are oil based vaccines that are injected sub-q. For pain the shorter the ester the more painful the injection site(shorter esters are more acidic)

As this pic shows the sub-q layer is the fat under the skin, above the muscle
http://www.fitnessuncovered.co.uk/im...tion-image.gifhttp://www.brooksidepress.org/SubQ1.jpg

On my last cycle I did 400mg of Deca IM per week for 10 weeks. I noticed that it took 3-4 weeks before I started noticing gains. So if SubQ's absorption rate is slower than IM, would I have to wait 6-8 weeks to begin seeing effects if I were to inject subQ? Just curious.

not that much slower, when we say slower it just means theres no spike after injection. it seems to take the same amount of time to kick in as IM, even with fast esters like test prop, you feel it about the same time as IM.

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Originally Posted by druss

not that much slower, when we say slower it just means theres no spike after injection. it seems to take the same amount of time to kick in as IM, even with fast esters like test prop, you feel it about the same time as IM.

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peak levels appear slower.... see first post