sweeeeet, im gonna be running it this summer i was not looking forward to ed jabs IMQuote:
Originally Posted by canadianmuscle0803
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sweeeeet, im gonna be running it this summer i was not looking forward to ed jabs IMQuote:
Originally Posted by canadianmuscle0803
right on. good for you man
so its been about 12 hours since my shot and i feel nothing, just a little lump, something similar that i get from GH, but im sure its nothing, the oil just needs some time to spread out i suppose.. just did my second shot, im lovin this so far. I feel like a million bucks!!!
2cc/day in 2 shots every 12 hours, i will update you guys daily to let you know if my abs look like huge lumps after a while lol
I read all the positive posts to doing this yet i'm still scared shitless to try. Being on HRT i can look forward to lots of pinning so this would be something i should try, but still.....
This actually sounds like a pretty good idea to me. Don't know too much about Sub Q injecting but when my cat got a needle lodged in his throat and couldn't eat or drink the vet gave him a few shots of saline under the skin to keep him from getting overly dehydrated. He wasn't a very happy camper I think the shots made him pretty sore but she must have been giving him like 10cc at once ouch!
Only thing I would be worried is building up blobs of oil under the skin. None of you guys trying it have had a problem? Any of you tried it somewhere other then abs, hips, or ass?
Just wanted to make a couple of comments...My understanding is that the main reason for intramuscular injection is the sheer volume of liquid you are injecting. If you were just doing TRT it would be relatively negligible...but there's no way you can comfortably inject yourself subcutaneously with up to 3 ml's of liquid. You'd have a bubble 2 inches thick. lol.
The other thing is I don't recall seeing this mentioned before, but I haven't really searched either...doesn't anyone else use EMLA patches? If you're unfamiliar, it stands for Eutectic Mixture of Local Anaesthetics. (I think)...Close anyway..
It's non precription and you just ask for it at the pharmacy as they have it behind the counter with the prescription stuff. It's a little over $10 for two easy stick on patches about twice the size of a Loonie. Put on at least an hour before an injection in your glutes and you won't feel a thing. I even had 23 gauge needles go in without even knowing they were in. The funny thing is that it's only the tip of your skin that really feels the needle. I don't feel a damn thing in the lower parts, and I used to use the 25 gauge needles all the way that were as long as ****! Takes away all the stress and no jumping either. :)
Uh.. that could get pretty expensive man. $10 for two patches? Unless they're reusable, I don't see that as a viable solution.
It's only $10 a week if you're injecting twice. I don't think that's expensive. It's 2 beer. ;)
Ok, but even for just doin 250mg 2x week of test that's still an extra $120 for your cycle... seems like a waste of money to me.
I'm sure there are numbing agents in a tube or somethin that would be a lot cheaper.. though dunno how sterile that'd be. Maybe alcohol w/ numbing agent?
I just deal with the pain.. dull tips suck ass though, hate that shit.
If the needles don't bother you much then that's great. I prefer no pain at all, so it's an easy expense for me to justify. You could actually buy a 50 mg tube of it as well and put it on yourself with a dressing. The patches are pre-made and easy though. Still the tube would go a lot farther. You also only really need an area the size of a dime or a quarter realistically...it's a very small bit of skin you actually inject.
I dont think this sub q protocol could replace Im jabs, but when the IM volume get too high, and too frequent, it is nice to have the option. Limit your pokes to 1/2cc and all is good.
Well, I tried this the first time today with my TRT dose.. 1/2 ml of Delatestryl Sub Q in the abdominal area... went in fine, feels fine.. see how it feels tommorrow.
Think I'll keep this up for the next few months. Once a week and no IM shots... nice!
If I were "cycling" heavy, I'd do IM shots, but for HRT this is excellent so far IMHO.
hmmmm, I might try this for tren. I only shoot EOD right now but would prefer to hit ED for tren but last time I ran ED shots (6 months) it was a huge annoying pain.
Two days later, can't even really feel where I did the sub q shot.. feels a little tender, and I mean on a scale of one to ten, it's a one.
Perfect of HRT. No more IM for me if this works. Funny thing is on my box of Deletestryl it says to do SubQ... I thought they pharmacist was a dumb ****, maybe he's smarter than I thought and it wasn't a mistake.
why haven't sub q injects for gear become more popular if its so painless AND the potency is still just as good as IM?
Just did a tren A shot no pain at all.
Damn i'm going to have to try this!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Beachmuscle
I like it, i must try.
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Originally Posted by Lukin2grow
Um. . .pretty sure the pain everyone is trying to avoid isn't the actual shot. . if you seriously use pain killers to do shots then. . wtf. It hurts as much as a mesquito bite. It's the HUGE golf ball size lump people doin 3cc shots are looking to avoid lol.
I recently tried going a little further to the anterior on a glute shot. . .not a good idea. Manged to put it into a small muscle in there somewhere and it hurts like abtich, this thread sounds good. If I could do 1cc Im shots and just have a lil sore lump. . So much better than feeling like someone cranked me with a bat after a day. . .
thats the point of this thread.... if you read back you will see more then a few guys make comments such as "this doesn't "seem" right" or "why re-invent the wheel".Quote:
Originally Posted by natenator
It is silly.
I am all for this, and when IM volumes get too high, will be doing SUBQ to alleviate. Or... for that matter, if I am doing LOW volume, like 1-2 cc per week, I will prob opt for sub q. So much easier and faster, and far less risky
any pain I am concerned about is post injection muscle pain. crashed gear. solvent pain. hormone pain. bad location pain. high volume pain.Quote:
Originally Posted by MoooBaby
The pinch of the needle just wakes me up a bit LOL Kinda like it
Is it possible to inject subQ with a 25g 1"? If I go at 45 degree angle and only put half in is it good enough or? Is there any way to know if you're injecting subq or directly in the fat? or are both the same thing anyway? Thank you.
So far so good, sticking to my Deletestryl dose... 1/2ml....
Only one shot hurt... scale of 1-10... a 2.5... rest have been 1's... (This is post injection pain, not actual injection pain.)
Only lasted two days.
It's working... 5 shots so far.
I wouldn't use anything but a 29 gauge slin pin.. these are meant for sub q, sure it's slow, but works just fine.
Agreed. Most new ideas at first meet criticsim and resistance, and then finally when results prove they are effective the denial ends.Quote:
Originally Posted by waderow
It is said through studies that only 13% of the population can think for themselves, the other 87% need to be led, to be told what to do.
Waderow is a 13%'er. Blazing his own trail.
Wait to go brother.
i ran out of slin pins, and did one jab with a 25ga x 1". went in about 5/8" into higher abs off to side. it hurt a little bit more.... but workedQuote:
Originally Posted by Neavris
Good to know, i have a shitload of 25g 5/8" pin's... Ya i'm one the 87%ers :DQuote:
Originally Posted by waderow
hummm I'm still wondering, when you inject subQ, do you inject straight into the fat or between the fat layer and the skin? Do you go at a 45 degree angle alike what most people on insulin injection do or at a 90 degree angle? Do you keep the skin pinched all along or do you pinch first, then needle, then release the skin, pull the plunger and inject?
I'd like to try this but I want to be 100% sure how to do it :D
Alright, got tired of asking questions, I tried it. I used .5 test E in the belly, did 90 degree needle in on the side of the abs, about 4/8, pulled and injected. It's hard to keep the needle at the right spot while breathing, but it doesn't hurt. Didn't massage after, as is told to insulin users.
Comments?
Just did 1cc Tren a sudQ shot in the Glute,very little pain and no tren cough.
i just pull skin, jab into the pulled area and inject. Youre way more technical then me bro! LOLQuote:
Originally Posted by Neavris
Get the juice in, and i attempt to avoid a fat injection, but it would probably only SLOW absorbtion
good job man
have you been keeping up with the sub q?Quote:
Originally Posted by St
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Originally Posted by waderow
Ya its amazing 1 cc max per Glute no bleeding anymore like from IM shots and even near the end i didn't even have a tren cough from sub q..A funny thing there is a trainer at my gym that ask if you can do Sud Q shot in the abs since the box for Delestryl said IM,just maybe the Doctor that gave the RX for it is keeping up with times.Glad you started this Sub Q thread.
Well this thread alone made me sign up to this forum.
I am going to try this with some prop my next cycle but like a few others just want to clarify to injection technique.
You pull up on some skin and then inject into the skin your are holding up ?
Or inject on angle underneath the portion of skin you are holding up ?
man I wish I could try this with my next cycle but will be hard trying to pin 1500mg of enan and 800mg deca a week sub-q!
get the gear beneath the fat layer of possible....into the sub q layer, which is the layer between the fat and the meat.
i pull skin, and jab at an angle in the void formed from the pull. i aspirate, and then inject
I still did IM jabs, but cut my volume down. I was on short estered gear pinning 4cc EOD. Got old fast, plus the gear was ****ing PAINFUL shit.Quote:
Originally Posted by natenator
I took the jab down to 2.5 cc bu having 1cc sub q EOD.
Helped out a lot
Might try for my contest prep in July. Faster acting gear...Quote:
Originally Posted by waderow
Wow that was a quick reply thanks , so on an angle underneath the portion being help up. You say that you do aspirate I have read both that you should and should not , but I guess no harm in doing it ?
always aspirate and ignore anyone that says not to, let them risk it.... you do not EVER want a blast of oil into a vein. Ever