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Can't believe I read this - it's like you have described our household for the last couple years. me and my wife seem to have gotten this every couple months for about 2 years now. I thought it was our water, got it tested and nothing. Ange thought it was the proteins, but it makes no sense to me. Did you also get the sulfer smell burps? Last time we had this was about a month or so ago. Lasted 2 days. Here's hoping its just part of being parents to 2 kids starting school and pre-school.Quote:
Originally Posted by TT Eric
Question: did this happen during a cheat day or at least centered around a day you ate alot more than normal? We think the bug can just sit around and then once the food gets a bit higher, BOOM... Almost each and every time it was at a cheat meal / cheat day or at least close to it. For me it was 2 days after eating 3 foot long subs at subway and 6 subway cookies. And not like - oh I ate too much, I feel bad.... It's like you say, in bed all day pissing out of your ass. I would guess food poisoning if it was just a 1 off occasion, but the frequency is just weird.
Wow sorry to hear that. It sounds more like a short duration of the 'gastro of hell' I had in past, an intestinal allergic reaction. When it was happening (I had maybe 40 of those episode in my life) I had those horrible burbs, it was more like literally burping a sh!t odor mixed with super rotten eggs, an odor 10x worse then the worse fart you ever smelled, the worst odor by far I smelled in my life (it's even more horrible because it come from the mouth), it make you want to barf every time, those burps happens multiple time an hour and it seemed to come from MUCH more deeper then an ordinary burp, but this occurred only with the 'gastro' from hell, the last one is when I barfed sh!t though my mouth and passed out of pain, the spams for barfing something so deep was so violent, I remember before passing out, that I was afraid my ribs would crack, it's like if Hulk was squeezing me.
I saw some Doctors and saw an gastroenterologist, but no one was able to tell me the origin, I had to find out myself, my first reaction was from eating nuts from Brazil, so it was easy to point it out since I was not eating that often, then later on I had to add walnuts to the list, then almond and where it became tricky if was for peanut butter, like a few months-a year later when I became allergic to it, I was eating PB pretty much everyday since I was a kid, so it was in my 'safe food list', and the problem is that is was not triggering the 'gastro from hell' at every time, I could eat some everyday for sometimes and I was fine, and then BOOOM it's time to ask forgiveness for all your sins. It took some time to figure it out.
And one more thing I became allergic, is pork, this one was also hard to figure and this one was even more restrictive, because for example, if I went to the restaurant for breakfast and ordered safely some pancakes, but those had touched some of the bacon's fat from another breakfast, then boom welcome to sh!ting my life city. To be mentioned, I've stayed away from pork many years. And one day, many years later I've had a steak of pork by mistake thinking it was beef and did not get sick and fearfully I tried some pork a few days later and was okay (today I can eat pork without a problem), so I thought I was healed from this allergies, out of faith I decided to re-try PB, a little bit was ok, the next day one toast it was ok, but after 4 days (still one toast), BOOOM, welcome to repentance. And the last time I was sick (when I barfed sh!t) it was from eating ONE spoon of Rolo PB ice cream, thinking it was regular Rolo ice cream, the container look pretty much the same.
If you had it for 2 days only it's great, me the shortest was 3-4 days of hell, but it could last 1-2 weeks, at the worst I sh!ted water, about a cup every 20 min 24/24hr, I could not go to sleep, immodium saved my life many time from dehydration, 25-30lbs is really serious in a such a short time, but I could not take it too early, because the cause of allergy needed to be out before I put a plug on it, if I closed the door too fast, the allergen was still inside, a big no-no.
^This had nothing to do with a cheat meal, neither this new reaction I had since a year and a half, I just got them a day before the cheat meal. I try to see if it comes from the food and I can't figure it out, it seems like a virus that is waking-up here and there. Sh!tting water is not the worse in this case, no awful burp, but extreme abdominal pain, beyond any measure, pain that irradiate every where, but particularly in the legs/knees, they hurt so much, much more then when you have the flu, it comes with heavy fever symptoms, that make me shake like a earthquake, when I am in extreme pain I breath so fast, faster then someone with a panic attack, I need air like when I do some free-diving and goes for a depth PR and come back to the surface my lungs scream for air, I breath so hard, so fast and it's ultra loud, so fast that I would normally begin to hyper-ventilate in less then 20sec, but now I can breathe like that for long period like 30 min without hyper-ventilating, and I really NEED to breathe like that, if not I think I would loose conscience, I need air like if I was sprinting uphill for 30 min straight. Once again it's violent beyond any measure, I came close to trow myself from the 19th floor where I live, what kept me is thinking of the love for my son (we are carrots and peas) and wife, that would hurt them so much. (At least now I know that dilaudid can take away the pain). Also even when the pain is gone, I still wake-up in a puddle of water every morning for a while from sweating. Like if my system had to evacuate something.
I really don't know what cause this, I eat pretty much all the same things and can be good for months, then BOOOM welcome to 'hate your life' unadvertised. I dunno if it's something like PB in the past, that my body can tolerate for a while, but has a limit.
Hope it helps.
Eric
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an odor 10x worse then the worse fart you ever smelled, the worst odor by far I smelled in my life (it's even more horrible because it come from the mouth), it make you want to barf".............You've, obviously, never smelled my wife's farts!! Just kidding, hope you don't have to go through that again.
Holy god! Jesus man, sounds like it's a miracle for you to be writing this!! I'd be getting this checked out right away! Sounds like something really, really serious, especially if you're getting these symptoms every 3 months! Your drop in BP is disturbing... Get and LP at the very least! I hope you get better soon! Stay strong!Quote:
Originally Posted by TT Eric
-Primal
Lol Scott!
Thanks Primal, what do you mean by LP ?
Since I took the injection of Dilaudid, most of the pain went away, I'm just very weak and not well. Normally I could be better in a day or 2, but it usually take 2-3 weeks to get my strength restored at the gym.
Eric
Ours likely not allergies since they do tend to occur at the same time or close to each other -so its a virus or bug of some sort. The sulfur burps is literally 10x the odor of anyone's farts for sure. I'll agree with you there! And trust me, we can fart with the best of 'em in this house! I just asked if it occurs at same time as cheat, not because I think its cheat related, but that its like our body can only handle so much at once and add to it, and it reaches that threshold of no return. Last time we both had it at once, I only had it minor, and my wife major - but it coincided with a big cheat for her, and just normal day for me.
Knock on wood though, we've been good for a while now! Hope you get well soon. Sounds like you're enduring something way worse than what we had, and I literally feel as though it might be my last day on earth when it happens.
Just a theory, but the link between the cheat day might be because a huge meal and lots of sugar/gluten/crap might load the immune system too much and the virus or whatever it is dormant take advantage of the situation to re-surface.
Eric
Steve, do you have also fever and pain everywhere in your body like a flu ?
Eric
LP is short for Lumbar puncture, or spinal tap whatever you want to call it. It's usually used for for serious stuff, cancer and all of that but it can also help show deficiencies in certain proteins in the blood, checks your leukocytes (white blood cells) to see how your immunity is and also, if what you are experiencing is a virus OR bacteria, the LP will be able to determine that. To be honest, 'sulphur' burps are pretty common with (I'm assuming) how you eat. If you eat lots of meat and some veggies like broccoli, your burps and flatulence are going to be gas-mask worthy, at least that's what it's like for me. It's interesting that a doc and a gastroenterologist couldn't find anything... Just my opinion, I'm not a doc or anything, but seriously, if my BP tanked that low and I've been having symptoms like this every 3 month I'd be wanting to find out what this is as quickly as possible. Hope you get back on track soon man!
-Primal
Ok thanks. Believe me, what me and Steve had, has nothing to do with eating meat and broccoli, it's not the average burp that all people get, those are perfume compare to what we are talking and it happens only when sick, not just like that. In my case it's not sulfur, it's literally a shit odor and it does not come from stomach, but from much deeper. But those only came from allergy reaction and the last was in 2010.
Eric
You got that right. Sulfur burps if you want to go google it, sure, meat brocolli, protein, etc are common. This is common, but what we talk about is essentially farting from your mouth and not just smell, but sickness to go along with it. Like you are burping up a dead rotting carcus. It cleans you out real good, that's for sure. Talk about being dehydrated too. I'll have to look into allergies. I just figured it was too coincidental for both of us to go through it at the same time - therfore a bug being more likely. Never had it until I moved to NS too, so I just assumed it might be something in our well. (e-coli, etc). Just to bring it up a little more - the first time we had this was during my final week prep for nationals last year. Our whole house had it including sister in law visiting from ontario. Had it I think 3-4 times since. Never before that either...Quote:
Originally Posted by TT Eric
For allergies, I made the whole blood test to see what food I'm sensible to and according to the results, all nuts is green light for me, I told them it's really bogus, but they said it's green because I do not eat them, my body doesn't produce antibodies against it (?), so could not see it. Since you seems to all have it at the same time, it look like a bug/oversize gastro and not an allergen at all. And funny, but I never had the burps from hell since we moved out Montreal and established in Ontario, but on the other hand I watch for allergens big time.Quote:
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Eric
Week #8, I am at 198.6lbs so I lost 3.8lbs, I wish I could say it's all fat. I feel and look like I didn't loose fat, but loss muscle this week. Measuring tape says so also. I look like a freaking shrimp, I look smaller then when I was doing keto LAST year. Need to say I wasn't able to eat solid before Friday, so I had only a few protein shakes between Saturday and Thursday. I managed to resume walking 2 days after being ill even though I was weak but I did it, let just say I was not Speedy Gonzales. As far as training I only went once, I was feeling weak, but I've whipped myself thinking it would trigger recovery and help me put me back in the game faster, but it drained me big time, It took all to use about 60-70% of my regular weight.. Lots of pressure drop this week also. I will increase cardio +10min since it's pretty much all I can do for now.
Eric
Dang! When I saw my training partner, he said: 'Wow you've shrank!!! A lot!!! Sorry to tell you that!''
And then I saw another of my friend yesterday:''Oh man, you arms are so small, 2 weeks ago they were huge (ok, they never were huge, just bigger) and now they are... oh sorry to tell you that, probably not what you want to hear'.
Eric
Get used to stupid comments it happens all the time as people really dont understand dieting. Once you are shredded have them come to the gym and train beside you and then take your shirt off and ask them to do the same....then ask them what those jiggly things are around their waist and why their chest looks like man boobs.
Don't let it get to you...this is also one of the main reasons why most guys can never get shredded....they cant deal with not being fully glycogen loaded and guzzling gatorade while they train and yet are 20% body fat.
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One can look good with a t-shirt, but it's another thing to look good without it, I agree. What I meant is that I've practically didn't eat for 6 days because I was sick and it shows that I've lost muscles, particularly in the arms and chest. When not on caloric deficit, if I'm sick and loose muscle because I can't eat for a while, it doesn't take long when I resume eating/training normally to re-gain the muscle I've lost. On a diet, it's harder to re-gain what's lost.
Eric
If you've lost anything its water....not muscle...stop worrying and get back on the diet.
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Guzzling gatorade lol.... made my day.
And the worst part is they aren't even breaking a sweat...then they post on Facebook...leg day Killed it...LOL killed it my ass...I've seen teenage girls train harder!
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Hey Eric, I saw you trying for your PB on the bench yesterday, thought I'd share with our friends............................http://www.crazyshit.com/cnt/medias/...ttle-too-heavy
Saw that video on FailArmy a while ago, that dude almost could have killed himself! How is your strength by the way Eric? Hopefully it's coming back pretty quickly after all this.Quote:
Originally Posted by scottlove
-Primal
Safety bars not safe, lol!
Strength always took a hit when I get sick like that. But it's coming back. But presses took a hard toll, even before I was sick the weight on presses were getting down, even with me angry and not wanting too. Seems that the diet/loosing weight hit the BP more then any other lifts.
Before diet I was doing on bench press (always have been my ultimate weakness despite me wanting to perform on this lift) 275lbsx2, 245x4, 225x7, 205x11 and now (from yesterday) 255x2, 225x5, 205x8, 185x11, on incline DBs it was even worse, instead of 120s I went with the 100s. On all other exercises, I was using pretty much all the same weights but was short of 1 or 2 reps.
Eric
Not related to the diet and didn't want to start a thread for that, but is there any weapons/army stuff fans here ?
I had the opportunity to go to the Cansec trade show, probably not many people knows about this show, it's pretty much not for the public and on invitation only. This is where manufacturers comes to show their 'toys' so the army, and police, ans such can buy equipments. There was 200 exhibitors, so I've seen a lot of government officials, high ranked military personal (lots of General). I 'played' with bazookas, assaults riffles, snipers, real missile simulator, there was a real F-18 simulator with all the gadgets. I've toyed with the lightest .50 cal sniper in the world, handguns.
The top of the top of military equipments, flying light machine-guns (no kidding), de-mining suits, radars, drones, top tech armored 4x4, virtual parachute training, I played with a M4 in a shooting range simulator, a real M4 but with tons of sensors that you use to shoot targets on a huge screens, (with about 60% of recoil), it measure your accuracy and everything. They showed me how to use a missile station, how to lock down a flying target and shoot it.
Took 100 photos!
Eric
Uploaded a few pictures!
Actual lightest 50 cal in the world (25lbs), just arrived in the country (price tag of 6700US$):
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y27...psab9ccf29.jpg
You actually shoot from the shoulders with it:
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y27...ps0c0c6e14.jpg
Beretta sniper:
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y27...ps48ee7983.jpg
You can shop for bazookas and rounds:
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y27...ps016add95.jpg
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y27...psacd7de91.jpg
The flying machine gun:
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y27...psd53a1a6d.jpg
F-18 simulators were inside, you could fly and shoot:
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y27...pse8a0b296.jpg
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y27...ps99dfc1a2.jpg
Eric
Week #9, I am at 197.8lbs so I lost 0.8lbs. I took my weight on Friday and it was 197.2lbs, so I thought I was on the good track, but it raised afterward. I'm gonna check more closely, but it seems that I'm at my lightest every 5 days after the re-feed meal and then stop loosing weight or raise.
This week I intend to take 50g avocado instead of 1T of EVOO wiht my shakes and add 10min cardio, so 50 min everyday before breakfast.
If it doesn't cut it, I'll begin fat free day next week.
Eric
The .6 pounds is insignificant and could be anything from water retention from somewhat more sodium, less sleep, not as thorough of a BM, etc etc...the point being as I said before that is completely over analyzing things as your body will constantly fluctuate daily. A .8 pound loss is ok but it also signifies you need to ramp things up...10min cardio isnt enough...it would be if you lost 2lbs but you did not...increase by 20min daily.
No need to touch diet.
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Ok thanks Ted, will do that!
60min before breakfast.
Eric
Week #10, I am at 195.4lbs so I've lost a nice 2.4lbs. I need to say I have introduced caffeine before morning cardio, which is a first and I feel the effect since I'm pretty much a caffeine virgin, I've drank like 2 coffees in my whole life and I use very rarely caffeine before workouts. So this new introduction to my diet might have had a slight diuretic effect and good fat burning on me this week, anyhow I welcome the loss of 2.4lbs.
I will increase cardio only, no change to the diet! Since I do 60 before breakfast, I'm guessing it's time now to do additional cardio time after training. Starting with what ? 10-20 min after working out ?
I also have the possibility to increase from 60 to 75 min before breakfast, something I can keep for later. I do have a very nice path I like to do, from Ottawa downtown, to the Parliament, through Major Hill's park, then taking the Alexandra's bridge, walking along the Outaouais's river, then coming back by the bridge on Booth street. Awesome circuit!
Is 75 min ok before breakfast ?
Side note, even though I've lost 15lbs so far, contrary to usual, it doesn't look like I've lost 15lbs of fat, 8-10 at most. I would say I still have 20lbs to loose to be ripped. I can push the diet for another 10 weeks at most, after that we are out of the country for 3 weeks, pretty hard and not fun to diet in vacation.
Eric
10 pounds of fat out of a 15 pound loss seems really good to me. Most people hold about 5 pounds just in their stomach (excess food, bloat, junk), and then of course starting a diet low in carb, or no carbs, you are going to be dropping quite a bit of glycogen, etc. In fact, I see lots of people losing 20+ pounds and not even looking all that different, and not really starting off that fat...Quote:
Originally Posted by TT Eric
I wouldn't think you need to bump cardio - weight seems to be coming off nicely. Even though the 2.4 is likely exagerated from caffeine - especially if you're not used to it. That said, if you love the path, and it is closer to 75 then it is 60, I'd do that. I'd rather do something because you want to then because you have to. Cardio is healthy, and you can always throw in an extra 100 calories to your diet. The other option is to leave the longer path for later... That way when you 'have' to increase, at least it won't be something you dread.
What I mean is that it doesn't look like I've lost 15lbs from previous experience from diets (it's my 8th ones, 5 low fat, 3rd on keto). Usually when I'm at the 15lbs mark, it show more then actually, at 20lbs I see veins on abs, now I'm nowhere near that. Now my goal is to reach 175lbs instead of 180lbs. I still think I took a dent the week I was sick and unable to eat for 6 days, I only had a few shakes (water and protein, nothing else) here and there, like 2 per day in average.
Eric
Maybe a better question is, the last time you were at ~195 pounds, did you look better or worse than you do currently? The hope is that if you're making improvements, no matter how big or small, that at the same weight (during a diet) you look better than the previous at that same weight.
I'm thinking that if you're goal is to hit 175, then you should never be over 200! I'm just speaking from personal experience. EX. at 175 I am ready to hit the stage, however, I have yet to hit over 195 morning weight for more than just 1-2 days, and at that weight I don't feel healthy. I know other people have an easier time gaining post show, and their offseason is >30+ pounds from stage. We all have different metabolisms / set points, etc, so if you're body feels great at 200+ then that's ok too. I'm just picturing 175 being a long ways away! If you get to that point, you may as well be doing a show, or a photo shoot, or a cruise, or something! That's a lot of hard work and will surely get harder once you hit the mid to low 180s.
Before I started dieting I estimated my LBM to be around 165lbs so 180lbs was the goal with a ~7% BF target (real number, people would normally say 4%). So at 210lbs it mean I was around 21%BF (real life 21%, usually people would say 15% at that level) I'm at 5'9'' and had some slack in 34'' pant at the waist, but was tight at legs and butt, I was still seeing serratus and upper abs.
As for the look, I still look a bit better then last year at 195lbs, but my chest is definitely smaller. Other parts like arms and legs have improved. Need to say this year was an awesome year for me as for adding mass (for a natty).
The things is I usually take my LBM before and after diet, I also usually take weekly pictures to compare, but this year I didn't because on keto I KNOW we don't loose muscle, things goes pretty smoothly straight forward, every week we see the fat going away accordingly to what I loose... granted I do not get dying sick while doing it. So I didn't though it was necessary, bad call for this year, next year you bet I will resume getting my LBM checked before and after.
Eric
Anyway, I do not want to whine about it, if I lost some muscle because I was sick, it will come back very fast when I'll be back in a caloric surplus anyway, it was a side note from my own observation, it's painful to see some of the hard work gone, what it changes for me is that I'm now aiming to go for 175lbs instead of 180lbs, that if it's possible, with the time left.
Eric
Here is 2 pics I just took, might not be the best since lightning is from wall and not ceiling, but you'll have an idea. I estimate I am actually at 16-17%
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y27...ps2c68b37a.jpg
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y27...ps527e91d5.jpg
Eric
I went on the scale this morning, I'm at 195.2lbs, so unless I loose 1.8lbs in the next 24hrs, it's not going well. So in the light of that, today I'm throwing a last minute fat-free day in hope it will help.
Before officially set fat-free days regularly, my plan for the next week is to shave some fat in my overall diet.
I will continue to monitor my weight more closely toward the end of each week, so I can throw a fat-free day right before the official weekly scaling if needed. Since I only have 9 weeks left and still 20lbs to go... I cannot have any unproductive weeks till the end.
I did 75 min cardio everyday, before breakfast.
Eric
This week and particularly today trainings are a disaster, by this time after being sick strength should be back to normal, but strength went down further... today for example instead of using 225lbs for 5-6 reps at the close grip, I hardly could believe it but I've struggle to make 5 freaking rep with 185lbs, for body weight chins and dips I can do less reps at 195lbs then 210lbs, instead of 17-20reps I was down to 12. Never happened before.
Eric
When you hit 60min in one session split the sessions up and do 35min each session...add from there.Quote:
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I would estimate 13-14%...yes i agree about 20lbs to get ripped.Quote:
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