Low eGFR Values and Kidney Disease.

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Originally Posted by gustavo77

Got the results back today...eGFR is at 54 (down from 56), creatinine at 132!!! My kidneys are getting worse! **** me, i did not train for 5 days before the test, no protein shakes, lower protein diet, no creatine, no anti-inflammatory drugs. But i was still on low dose tren E for this test, no more though...i think it is the tren E that effected this blood test. Although someone with healthy kidneys may not have problems with tren, i now think that anyone with compromised kidney function should steer clear of tren. I have not taken any tren since last week though and i will get another blood test in 3-4 weeks, until then, i have an ultra-sound scheduled for next week on my kidneys, bladder and lower abdomen.

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Hey sorry to hear the bad news gus,but you should come off the tren & test now until your test are better.I had Kidney problem in the past 2001.I came off,lower my protein intake a bit,stop all Caffeine,lowered my sodium and after one year i was fine.Had to do Urine sample every 6 month for 24 hours for 2 year since i had blood in my urine had fear for the first time.

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Originally Posted by St

Hey sorry to hear the bad news gus,but you should come off the tren & test now until your test are better.I had Kidney problem in the past 2001.I came off,lower my protein intake a bit,stop all Caffeine,lowered my sodium and after one year i was fine.Had to do Urine sample every 6 month for 24 hours for 2 year since i had blood in my urine had fear for the first time.

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Thank you for your thoughts bro.. I took my last shot of tren early last week and am dropping my test dose down to 200mg per week for now. I figure low dose test will be a lot less stressful to my kidneys than a bunch of PCT drugs. I have been on for over a year so coming off cold turkey would not be an option.

ask you doc to send your urine for and ACR test (albumin to creatinine ratio test). 24hours are more accurate, but they are always messed up somehow - it's a very difficult protocol to follow accuratley

Dont worry too much now Gus... your eGFR may never be super high, but I bet you my last vial that it goes up 10-20 points after you stop the Tren. I dont know if you have been taking any orals, but stop those if you are.
It took me 1 1/2 months after i stopped for my eGFR to climb back up just for reference.
I agree with you about not stopping the test and adding PCT chemicals. You never know what it might do to your test results. I do believe that your need a certain level of test for healthy organ health. For example (and this may help you) I ran across a post in another forum that talked of a doctor in Texas who prescribes the following for people with very low eGFRs (<20) who are waiting dialysis. Apparently this regimine worked for a few patients so well they no longer required dialysis and transplant!

Here you go:
of what that doctor in Texas suggested I take, tell me what you think.

hgh - 2 to 4 iu's every morning
cortef - 10mg every morning & noon- to get fasting AM cortisol level up to 20
DHEA - 100mg. every morning
Test - get levels up to 700 or greater
T4 - 100mg. every day
arginine - 7gm. 2/day
glutamine - 7gm. 2/day
HMB - 1000mg. 3/day
Vitamin D - 50000 units/week
*****3 - 3000mg/day
Alpha lipoic acid - 200mg. 2/day
Acetyl-L-Carnitine - 1000mg. 3/day
CoEnzymeQ 10 - 200mg. 3/day


Good luck, my friend. Take care of those things!

I got mine done about 3 weeks ago...
Creatinine - 101
eGFR - 76
SS

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Originally Posted by juice555

Dont worry too much now Gus... your eGFR may never be super high, but I bet you my last vial that it goes up 10-20 points after you stop the Tren. I dont know if you have been taking any orals, but stop those if you are.
It took me 1 1/2 months after i stopped for my eGFR to climb back up just for reference.
I agree with you about not stopping the test and adding PCT chemicals. You never know what it might do to your test results. I do believe that your need a certain level of test for healthy organ health. For example (and this may help you) I ran across a post in another forum that talked of a doctor in Texas who prescribes the following for people with very low eGFRs (<20) who are waiting dialysis. Apparently this regimine worked for a few patients so well they no longer required dialysis and transplant!

Here you go:
of what that doctor in Texas suggested I take, tell me what you think.

hgh - 2 to 4 iu's every morning
cortef - 10mg every morning & noon- to get fasting AM cortisol level up to 20
DHEA - 100mg. every morning
Test - get levels up to 700 or greater
T4 - 100mg. every day
arginine - 7gm. 2/day
glutamine - 7gm. 2/day
HMB - 1000mg. 3/day
Vitamin D - 50000 units/week
*****3 - 3000mg/day
Alpha lipoic acid - 200mg. 2/day
Acetyl-L-Carnitine - 1000mg. 3/day
CoEnzymeQ 10 - 200mg. 3/day


Good luck, my friend. Take care of those things!

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Thanks bro...great info.

I have not used orals in a while...in fact i rarely use orals and my AST and ALT values, coming back recent their best in years, is why...oh and i rarely drink anymore..lol

I know it was stupid for me to continue the tren but it was low dose and i had started just before i got my results back. My results from my cholesterol tests a couple weeks before were excellent, so i went ahead with the tren. I have been off tren though like i said for about a week and half now, so in a few weeks i will get another test done for eGFR and creatinine. I am still gonna get the ultra-sound done though, why not...if there is a problem with function, i need to know.

I have to be honest though, since this last kidney function test i have been pretty depressed and have not trained. I love bodybuilding and now i will have most likely have to change my training and diet habits for good. No more 350-400 grams of protein per day...

Questions: what is coref?? Also, t-4 should be 100mcg per day not 100mg correct??

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Originally Posted by gustavo77

Thanks bro...great info.

I have not used orals in a while...in fact i rarely use orals and my AST and ALT values, coming back recent their best in years, is why...oh and i rarely drink anymore..lol

I know it was stupid for me to continue the tren but it was low dose and i had started just before i got my results back. My results from my cholesterol tests a couple weeks before were excellent, so i went ahead with the tren. I have been off tren though like i said for about a week and half now, so in a few weeks i will get another test done for eGFR and creatinine. I am still gonna get the ultra-sound done though, why not...if there is a problem with function, i need to know.

I have to be honest though, since this last kidney function test i have been pretty depressed and have not trained. I love bodybuilding and now i will have most likely have to change my training and diet habits for good. No more 350-400 grams of protein per day...

Questions: what is coref?? Also, t-4 should be 100mcg per day not 100mg correct??

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Yup, I know what you mean about the depression. But dont go there yet until you have a good 1-2 months off the heavy stuff.

Yes, I should have payed closer attention to what i was pasting. 100mcg of T4, not 100mg.

Cortef is hydrocortisone. Hydrocortisone belongs to the family of medications known as corticosteroids. It is used to treat several different conditions. It works by reducing swelling, inflammation, and irritation.

I will talk to my doctor tonight. i passed on this information for him. I will see what he thinks.

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Originally Posted by juice555

Yup, I know what you mean about the depression. But dont go there yet until you have a good 1-2 months off the heavy stuff.

Yes, I should have payed closer attention to what i was pasting. 100mcg of T4, not 100mg.

Cortef is hydrocortisone. Hydrocortisone belongs to the family of medications known as corticosteroids. It is used to treat several different conditions. It works by reducing swelling, inflammation, and irritation.

I will talk to my doctor tonight. i passed on this information for him. I will see what he thinks.

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I get depressed from time to time no matter what..lol..it is in my nature.. i always come out of though, so it never gets too too bad...:pb...i just go on a nice little binge for a nite or two or three and i wake up wanting to get back to normal..

How is the hydrocortisone administered??

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Let us know what you find.