Using Ephedrine with A pre-Workout supplement?

I really think this whole cortisol issue with stims is a bunch of crap. I`m not saying it dosen`t raise cortisol, but it actually preventing muslce growth because it being so catabolic is something I just don`t think is true. The extra intensity it allows you to train with surpasses any so said cortisol muscle eating theories out there. Providing you don`t surpass 24mg of ephedrine and use it say 4 times a week, you`ll be fine.

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Originally Posted by Ritch

I really think this whole cortisol issue with stims is a bunch of crap. I`m not saying it dosen`t raise cortisol, but it actually preventing muslce growth because it being so catabolic is something I just don`t think is true. The extra intensity it allows you to train with surpasses any so said cortisol muscle eating theories out there. Providing you don`t surpass 24mg of ephedrine and use it say 4 times a week, you`ll be fine.

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im not against a bit of stims pre workout. But i know people who rely on 12 cups of coffee a day lol.

im currently doing EC five times a day every two hours for 8mg/100mg.Well see were that brings me.

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Originally Posted by Timbo89

is that you in your avatar?

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yes. this pic from spring competition

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Originally Posted by A_N_T

yes. this pic from spring competition

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lookin good!

thanks! may be ill compete in Canada some day... :) can you help me to find out what competitions will be in spring in Vancuver...??? please

thanks! ill check it!

"EC five times a day every two hours for 8mg/100mg"

since no one's saying it for some reason... EC can cause you to have some serious side effects and considering your taking it every 2 hours your unaware of them.

Please dont even try to back yourself up with anything because the proof is in the test cases already made up that everyone has seen....

EC is most effective at 24/200 any less and it's kind of a waste of time even to consider it (unless this is a pre workout then by all means explode your heart, or over heat)


Lesson here is: Build a tolerate to 24/200 in a few weeks stay on that, then cycle off then back on to avoid NCS fatigue.

As for Pre-workout guys, the deal is if you can handle it go for it, but dont mess around with it in higher doses 16/200 maximum unless other wise stated above and you have an tolerance to the E in the EC.

Alright have fun im sure people will disregard this advice and hurt themselves so. anways..I told you so :)

^^^ Some people don`t need 24mg, so don`t say that anything under that amount is a waste, c`ause it takes me weeks to get up to that amount. Also 8mg five times a day comes to 40mg daily. That`s almost 1/2 of what taking 24mg 3 times a day comes to. So what`s the problem with his protocol?